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  • From: Wisconsin
A Clear Alterative
Posted by jwrass14 on Tuesday, February 28, 2017 12:10 PM

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Posted by Jim G on Friday, March 03, 2017 11:04 PM

Jwrass: A local hobby shop has Testors Glosscote clear laquer in a small bottle. Questions:

1. Can I spray this out of my Iwata LPH-50 mini spray gun?

2. Do I need to reduce it with laquer thinner before spraying it?

3. Can I safely apply it over AutoAir pearls, candys, and opaque waterbased paints, without damaging the AutoAir paint coatings?

4. Is it likely tough enough to serve as a topcoat for car models?

I'm asking because I am having trouble finding a 1k (as opposed to 2k) clearcoat, and the cost of any 1k clear spray cans I do find here online in Canada is astonishingly high.

I do realize it will smell a fair bit (being a laquer) while being applied, and that counters my desire for low emissions for my wife's and cat's sake, but I am finding few 1k alternatives, and at least with this solution, I can use the Iwata with its adjustability versus a spraycan whose pattern is round AND non-adjustable.

Jim G

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  • From: Winnipeg Canada
Posted by Wayne Farmer on Saturday, March 04, 2017 12:32 AM

Duplicolor Acrylic Enamel..It smells and dries hard like lacquer and can buy it from Canadian Tire/Parts Source..Its in a tall can with black label and says Acrylic Enamel..The spray is up and down or sideways on an adjustable nozzle..Cost when I last bought can was 
$9.95 CDN..Good luck..

 

 

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  • From: Portland Oregon: Tree Country. Most beautiful area on the West coast.
Posted by Treehugger Dave on Saturday, March 04, 2017 8:34 AM

It's a good thing this article was posted because there are clears in spray cans that are disappearing from the retail market, so as time passes alternatives will be a necessity for clear coating. After many decades of using my favorite clear, the manufacturer was bought out and my clear went away, but I was lucky enough to go on line and buy myself cases of that clear before it was gone. Same with my primers that went away.

Actually, the whole automotive paint industry is slowly changing, especially at the auto parts store level, but even my 2K primer went away from my auto paint store, touch-up spray paints are disappearing quickly, being replaced by 2K touch-up kits, and water-based paints are slowly taking over the automotive paint industry - "Times they are a-changin".

 

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  • Member since
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  • From: Wisconsin
Posted by jwrass14 on Saturday, March 04, 2017 9:57 AM

Jim G

Jwrass: A local hobby shop has Testors Glosscote clear laquer in a small bottle. Questions:

1. Can I spray this out of my Iwata LPH-50 mini spray gun?

2. Do I need to reduce it with laquer thinner before spraying it?

3. Can I safely apply it over AutoAir pearls, candys, and opaque waterbased paints, without damaging the AutoAir paint coatings?

4. Is it likely tough enough to serve as a topcoat for car models?

I'm asking because I am having trouble finding a 1k (as opposed to 2k) clearcoat, and the cost of any 1k clear spray cans I do find here online in Canada is astonishingly high.

I do realize it will smell a fair bit (being a laquer) while being applied, and that counters my desire for low emissions for my wife's and cat's sake, but I am finding few 1k alternatives, and at least with this solution, I can use the Iwata with its adjustability versus a spraycan whose pattern is round AND non-adjustable.

Jim G

 

James,

How's it going?

This is kind of interesting....With all the products I have in the shop, I actually still use the Testors clear and paints for some of my airbrushing.

The clear I use is Testors #1161 in a 11/2 oz size. I reduce it with Testors #1159 Thinner.

I have tried regular lacquer thinner as a reducer but find that the Testors brand thinner seems to work much better, it also has somewhat of a sweet smell. 

#1) Yes..... No Problem

#2) Yes you will need to reduce it. I reduce at a rate of 1:1 or 1:1/2 ( Clear:Reducer) which will give you a sprayable yield of 3 to 4 ounces of material.

#3) I have Topcoated AA with everything.... No problem as it is a waterboure product.

#4) Absolutely.

One thing I have found with the 1161 and 1159 combo is it smells sweet to me, not harsh like so many clears....they may have tweaked their formulas with the modeler in mind as not to stink up the house.

For your application and concerns I would highly recommend these products.

I don't know if you have pushed any paint through the LPH-50 yet..... They can lay allot of material down in short order.... I would pay attention to fluid rate and air pressure.... Remember excess overspray in the air is just wasted paint!

John, I hope this helps....

Jimmy "RASS" 

 

"I Have Flying Monkey's And I'm Not Afraid To Use Them"

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  • From: Wisconsin
Posted by jwrass14 on Saturday, March 04, 2017 10:11 AM

Dave is right on..... Especially for the folks on the left coast.... not so much in the Midwest where I'm from.... I do see the hand writing on the wall... I too have been stocking up on some of my tried and true as I have experieced the pain of failures of new products that went to market to soon. I have learned to chill a bit and learn from others before I dive into the deep end!

Jimmy "RASS

P.S. " " Bob Dylan.... The Poet 

"I Have Flying Monkey's And I'm Not Afraid To Use Them"

  • Member since
    January, 2017
Posted by Jim G on Saturday, March 04, 2017 11:50 AM

Wayne Farmer

Duplicolor Acrylic Enamel..It smells and dries hard like lacquer and can buy it from Canadian Tire/Parts Source..Its in a tall can with black label and says Acrylic Enamel..The spray is up and down or sideways on an adjustable nozzle..Cost when I last bought can was 
$9.95 CDN..Good luck..

 

 

 

Thanks, Wayne!

 

Jim G

  • Member since
    January, 2017
Posted by Jim G on Saturday, March 04, 2017 12:08 PM

jwrass14

 

 
Jim G

Jwrass: A local hobby shop has Testors Glosscote clear laquer in a small bottle. Questions:

1. Can I spray this out of my Iwata LPH-50 mini spray gun?

2. Do I need to reduce it with laquer thinner before spraying it?

3. Can I safely apply it over AutoAir pearls, candys, and opaque waterbased paints, without damaging the AutoAir paint coatings?

4. Is it likely tough enough to serve as a topcoat for car models?

I'm asking because I am having trouble finding a 1k (as opposed to 2k) clearcoat, and the cost of any 1k clear spray cans I do find here online in Canada is astonishingly high.

I do realize it will smell a fair bit (being a laquer) while being applied, and that counters my desire for low emissions for my wife's and cat's sake, but I am finding few 1k alternatives, and at least with this solution, I can use the Iwata with its adjustability versus a spraycan whose pattern is round AND non-adjustable.

Jim G

 

 

 

James,

 

How's it going?

This is kind of interesting....With all the products I have in the shop, I actually still use the Testors clear and paints for some of my airbrushing.

The clear I use is Testors #1161 in a 11/2 oz size. I reduce it with Testors #1159 Thinner.

I have tried regular lacquer thinner as a reducer but find that the Testors brand thinner seems to work much better, it also has somewhat of a sweet smell. 

#1) Yes..... No Problem

#2) Yes you will need to reduce it. I reduce at a rate of 1:1 or 1:1/2 ( Clear:Reducer) which will give you a sprayable yield of 3 to 4 ounces of material.

#3) I have Topcoated AA with everything.... No problem as it is a waterboure product.

#4) Absolutely.

One thing I have found with the 1161 and 1159 combo is it smells sweet to me, not harsh like so many clears....they may have tweaked their formulas with the modeler in mind as not to stink up the house.

For your application and concerns I would highly recommend these products.

I don't know if you have pushed any paint through the LPH-50 yet..... They can lay allot of material down in short order.... I would pay attention to fluid rate and air pressure.... Remember excess overspray in the air is just wasted paint!

John, I hope this helps....

Jimmy "RASS" 

 

 

Thank-you! This gives me a lot more confidence. The Testors 1159 and 1161 are exactly the part numbers the shop is selling, and the price is much lower than the spray can products available. The "sweet" smell is also a bonus! :)

I have not yet done any test spraying with the Iwata LPH-50 as I had "touch-up" laser eye surgery recently to "perfect" the results from my already pretty good laser cataract surgery results. The touchup surgery is going to maybe even eliminate the need for reading glasses, which would of course improve my model building! Unfortunately, the "recovery" period during which the lasered eyes heal varies in duration a lot from person to person. My touchup surgery occurred 15 days ago and my eyes are improving in both acuity and endurance daily, but the improvement curve is one of those logarithmic curves where the initial gains are worthwhile already but the final percentages of improvement take a while. Right now, I don't yet have the visual endurance to do eye-intensive stuff for long periods of time, but hopefully will soon!

After the pattern and air/fluid adjustment testing, my first actual paint project for the LPH-50 will be spraying the interior tub and seat components of my 1/16 scale 1965 Mustang with AutoAir Flame Red Opaque. I plan to [lay with the air to paint ratio enough to deliberately induce a slightly flatter versus gloss outcome, since the interior is supposed to be vinyl and cloth, not painted metal!

Once I have enough confidence in my spraying ability, I'll spray the body of the Mustang with AutoAir Pearl White and then the clearcoat.

The combination of Pearl white exterior with Flame Red interior should be striking, especially since this 1/16 scle kit has operating doors and front seatbacks!

Jim G

  • Member since
    December, 2007
  • From: Portland Oregon: Tree Country. Most beautiful area on the West coast.
Posted by Treehugger Dave on Saturday, March 04, 2017 1:42 PM

jwrass14

Dave is right on..... Especially for the folks on the left coast.... not so much in the Midwest where I'm from.... I do see the hand writing on the wall... I too have been stocking up on some of my tried and true as I have experieced the pain of failures of new products that went to market to soon. I have learned to chill a bit and learn from others before I dive into the deep end!

Jimmy "RASS

P.S. " " Bob Dylan.... The Poet 

 

Luckily my HOK UC35 with KU150 catalyst and my SG100 clears are still available. There will always be clears, but I'm sure the options will change as time passes and we get to learn new techniques.

Change can be good as manufacturers are challanged by new and changing EPA guidelines. Gotta keep the ozone safe for my great grand kids Thumbs Up.

I love Mecum Auctions and Barrett/Jackson auctions and what would I do without Ebay.

 

 

                                     

 

 

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