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Making a big cat stretch, OR Making the Pink Panther 1/25th scale

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    January, 2017
Making a big cat stretch, OR Making the Pink Panther 1/25th scale
Posted by 195X on Sunday, January 29, 2017 2:21 PM

Greetings all. I'm pretty new to all this, I started model building as therapy after a back injury. I've been intrigued for some time over the process of stretching a body. I picked up the fairly dissapointing Eldon Pink Panther kit. It turns out the kit is actually closer to 1/30 scale, length wise. I want to stretch it to length, but it's almost two full inches short. Plus there's the taper of the thing. I do have the AMT '67 Toronado kit for the chassis and engine. Iy seems almost dead on 1/25th scale. What do you guys think? Can it be stretched?

My apologies, I don't seem to be able to post a photo of the car.

"I'm just here for the entertainment."- George Carlin

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Posted by CanesBart on Sunday, January 29, 2017 11:44 PM

Isnt that a rare kit?  LOL!  You plan to mess with it?   Cool!!!!!  Wink

Im going to do my first big conversion, putting a '77 Pacer wagon front end on a '78 Pacer X, but lengthening the body  of a weird show car?  Beyond my skilz.

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Posted by 195X on Monday, January 30, 2017 10:23 AM

It is rare as far as I've seen. After staring at it all last night I think I have a plan. I'm going to scratch build the body I need and leave the original unmolested. Given the large, flat, gently curved body panels and the angular design of the body lines, I think I can do this.

The plan: I'll pattern each panel on the computer and enlarge the images to proper 25th scale. Each pattern will then of course, be used to make a plastic panel. I may have to come up with some jigs for assembly, but a cover of saran wrap on the original, should allow me to use it as backing in some instances to get the right curves. I will try to document as much of the build as I can, but I'm not one for taking pictures. (slows down the build)

"I'm just here for the entertainment."- George Carlin

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Posted by 195X on Monday, January 30, 2017 10:25 AM

LOL! It really is a weird show car. It's supposed to be in the shape of the Panther's head, but it looks more like the Aardvaark to me! ;)

"I'm just here for the entertainment."- George Carlin

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Posted by Bainford on Monday, January 30, 2017 10:50 AM

Haha, it is a wierd car, and I agree much more aardvark looking than panther.

Myself and many other forum members will be interested in your progress. Please post updates as you go along, if you can. Cheers.

Power matters in the straights.
Lightness matters everywhere. - Colin Chapman

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Posted by 195X on Monday, January 30, 2017 10:59 AM

I will do what I can. So far I haven't figured out picture posting, but I'll be moving at the end of February, so I won't even be starting this until the end of March. I like to start planning way in advance though. Drives my GF nutz!

First thing once moved, is getting the hobby room back in order. I'm moving from a six by eight hobby room to a ten by nine so I finally get to have an indoor spray booth!

 

"I'm just here for the entertainment."- George Carlin

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  • From: Upstate New York
Posted by spencer1984 on Monday, February 06, 2017 9:22 PM
From what I've seen/heard, the biggest problem with the Pink Panther is that Eldon chopped the nose too short. If you extend that out to the correct length, the rest of the model actually looks pretty accurate
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Posted by 195X on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 3:23 PM

I took an overhead photo and matched it up to a sidelong of the actual car. The nose is way too stubby, but it's the same reason for the body being 1:30 scale... they needed it to fit in the box.

Using the enlarge/reduce program in paint, I can adjust certain portions to get it right. The real sticking point is information.

I've contacted the previous and current owner, just to find out if it IS a Toronado chassis, and whether or not it was stretched.

I'm going to make a paper model first to mock up, then I'll lay into some styrene.

So if you or anyone else has this information... HELLLLLLLPPP!! ;)

"I'm just here for the entertainment."- George Carlin

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Posted by trainwreck on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 6:31 PM

Doin' the math, this car should be 11,1/16th L.x 2,7/8ths wide, it runs a full wheelbase olds toro, frame and duel quad 455ci mill. Trainwreck. 

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Posted by 195X on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 7:31 PM

 

I came up with the exact same dimensions. My real issue is finding a sidelong, un altered photo of the car for comparisons. I printed out a side shot with the wheel centers exactly 119mm apart, just like the AMT chassis. The real Torino's wheelbase is 119 inches. Problem is, with the printout at that wheelbase, the body is about 10 inches. As it is right now, the kit body is 9 and 1/8th.

Basically the body dimensions and the chassis length aren't matching up. I'm wondering if the car is really 23' long, because I keep getting about 21', with an un altered chassis. OR is the photo tricking me by being an altered image to begin with? Confused

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Posted by trainwreck on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 7:53 PM

Check out (search) Jay Ohnberg,( he designed the thing ) I think his site has a full-on side view. The wheel base looks massive. I've also taken time to find pictures of the kit parts & the wheel base looks a little short to me.

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Posted by 195X on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 8:13 PM

I have all the photos of the Ohrberg era, and I'm pretty sure it's one of his I'm using. The kit chassis compared to the AMT is shorter by 3/4". Way undersized for 25th, but right about on for 30th scale.

I know some guys lose their nut if they see a 24th scale part on a 25th scale car, imagine building a 25th scale engine for a 30th? Speaking of the engine, it is a near perfect match in most regards to the AMT version, except the AMT is WAY better detailed.

SO, unless the Orhbergs or "GAS" gets back to me and confirms the chassis length, I have a choice.

A: I can build the body to look right on the stock AMT chassis

2: I can build the body to scale, and alter the chassis to fit it's dimensions, in a fit of hope nobody will notice!

I am going to try and get a photo account for posting here in a little bit. I see now how difficult these threads can be without pictures to follow! I think it was George Carlin who said "I'm a man, I need a chart, a pie graph, some sort of logarythm to follow."

Well I don't care WHO it was that said that... he was right. Hang on.

"I'm just here for the entertainment."- George Carlin

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Posted by trainwreck on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 8:28 PM

Think i'd just build the kit as is, and if I was going to alter it I would first try to find a johan toro frame & build around that. Trainwreck.

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Posted by 195X on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 8:32 PM

Here is the first photo I'm working with. I prefer the AMT because I already have one. ;)

I'm determined to confirm the length and chassis and go from there.

"I'm just here for the entertainment."- George Carlin

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Posted by trainwreck on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 8:38 PM

Looks like you got a handle on this, NICE. Trainwreck.

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Posted by 195X on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 8:51 PM

Yes! I finally got a photo to post! You see what I mean right? If the wheel base is basically ten feet, I can move that black line, double it and lay them down the belt line of the car and it leaves about a foot, mayyyyybe a foot and a half of nose.

I know I seem stuck on this, but I'm almost certain I read an article that put the car at 21', but all recent articles say 23. I like the idea of a scale kit, just for the sheer size of it, and I want to trick out the interior so every mm helps.

Then there's the prospect of never having tried something like fabricating a whole body before. The AMT chassis is near perfect 25th scale, so if it's un altered, I can just enlarge the patterns to match the chassis. Plus I HATE stretching chassis. I tried it once and it was a disaster! Who knew a butt joint on a frame was a bad idea? Oh.. all of you huh? Embarrassed

"I'm just here for the entertainment."- George Carlin

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