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JoHan 1964 Plymouth Fury Hardtop. Resurrecting an old Clunker Kit.

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JoHan 1964 Plymouth Fury Hardtop. Resurrecting an old Clunker Kit.
Posted by Ron Hamilton on Friday, September 18, 2009 3:01 PM

About a month ago, I was at our club meeting, and one of our members was selling some old builtups and parts. My good friend Howard Weinstein turned me on to a '60 Buick Convertible that I bought. (Thanks Howard) I also picked up a '64 Plymouth Fury Hardtop. It was heavilly spray painted, missing the rear bumper, engine, seats, and glass. I placed an order to The Modelhaus for a promo interior tub, which is the correct way to build this one Replica Stock. Back in the day, JoHan had the kit and promo contracts from Chrysler Corporation for its full sized cars. It seems strange to me, but the '64 Plymouth Fury and Dodge Polara promos had the correct bench seat interiors, while the model kits had bucket seat interiors, but the bodies and wheel covers did not reflect what came on the upper level models, the Plymouth Sport Fury and Dodge Polara 500. So as a modeler, a truly correct model was not possible in the strictest sense.

I stripped the paint, carved in the fender separation lines, removed the flash, and leveled out the body. I have to decide on the powertrain chassis source. More than likely the car will be built to represent a 426 Super Commando car, with either blackwalls and dog dishes, or full wheelcovers and whitewalls, for that sleeper look. I am going to add some detail to this one, using an AMT chassis and underhood detail.

 

I have narrowed the color combination down to three:

PP-1 Ruby (Red) on Red

EE-1 Dark Blue on Blue

LL-1 Dark Turquoise on Aqua.

What color do you do you think I should go with????

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Posted by modelcarjr on Friday, September 18, 2009 4:36 PM

It's strictly up to you, Ron, but the turquoise on aqua sound interesting to me. Good job cleaning up that body! Good luck with the rest of the build!

If you cannot have a good time, what kinda time can you have? JR

Next on the bench:  Another 1970 Hemi 'Cuda, 1958 Chevy Impala, 1987 Buick GNX, 1950 Chevy Pick-up, Indy Reynard, 1965 Corvette, probably not in this order.

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Posted by streetrod on Friday, September 18, 2009 5:23 PM

Hi Ron,

I agree with modelcarjr, I think the Turquoise would look good on that car and be just a little different than the usual Red, Wite or Black you see on this style of car.

Barry

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Posted by Moparnut17 on Friday, September 18, 2009 5:27 PM
yes red isnt very original but turquoise i find is quite a gross color.. maybe cause the fact im color blind with green? idk but like everyone else said, its your build, so have fun!
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Posted by Space Cowboy on Friday, September 18, 2009 9:12 PM

You did a great job on the body. With the new parts this should be a sharp build.

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Posted by Mkowa PhD on Friday, September 18, 2009 9:32 PM

Don't forget the 'Baby Blue' that Chrysler had. In NY, it seems if they weren't red or white, Baby Blue was a close third!

-Mike

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Posted by plumber on Friday, September 18, 2009 10:51 PM

 Great project Ron, you really cleaned it up well! As far as color goes, I vote red on red, even if some think red is overused, it just belongs on a Fury!

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Posted by Ron Hamilton on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:22 AM

My Modelhaus parts came in yesterday for the build, and I have the chassis, engine, wheels and tires, and the other parts to get started.

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Posted by steve dyke on Thursday, October 01, 2009 11:46 AM

Great job on cleaning up the body would choose red myself. Which amt chassis are you planning on useing for this thanks steve.

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Posted by Ron Hamilton on Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:32 PM

 

steve dyke

Great job on cleaning up the body would choose red myself. Which amt chassis are you planning on useing for this thanks steve.

My chassis of choice is the AMT 1969 Plymouth GTX Convertible Chassis, which is also the same as the AMT 1968 Plymouth Road Runner Hardtop/Coupe, 1969 Plymouth GTX Hardtop, and the 1970 Dodge Super Bee Hardtop. All the kits include a 426 Street Hemi V8 and 4-speed transmission, and the GTX Hardtop and the Super Bee also includes a 440 V8 with a 4-speed transmission, even though the induction is the "Six Pack" induction system, which was not available from the factory until 1969 in the one-to-one world, so to be somewhat accurate, one should find a 4-bbl manifold, air cleaner, and carburator from the parts box. A Dana 60 rear axle is also part of the deal, so one would have to rob a AMT 1971 Dodge Charger Kit, for the correct rear axle, as well as the single 4 bbl manifold, if a strictly replica stock build is what you want to do, otherwise, a very nice street machine could be built using the parts from these kits, as well as the AMT Pro Street Versions of the 1968 Plymouth Road Runner, 1969 GTX Hardtop, and the 1970 Super Bee Hardtop. But you have to get the kits cheap, as there will be a lot of parts left for the parts box.

The radiator support, floorboard, and firewall has to be trimmed slightly to fit the JoHan '64 Fury Body, whuch has to have the front and rear bumper mounting tabs trimmed, and the radiator support removed.

By the way, that is what I did tonight.

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Posted by BandC253 on Friday, October 02, 2009 12:21 AM

Looks clean so far Ron I would go with the unusual my self and build it an oddball color like turquoise and teal!! LOL Lets us know what your going with and keep the pictures coming!

I do it for the love of the cars.Captain

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Posted by spkgibson on Friday, October 02, 2009 9:39 AM

turquoise and aqua is my vote ,i'll be watching this build,I have a 64 Dodge Polara that i won off fee bay last year,WITH the side trim on it,molded in blue plastic,anyone have any idea what issue it is,its not the super stock version,I know that,but it is from the 60's,but I want to do the same thing that you are doing on the Fury

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Posted by slantasaurus on Friday, October 02, 2009 2:19 PM

Ron, I have to agree with you. Those AMT kits are a great source for updating the detail on old JoHan and MPC Mopar kits. My personal favorite is the 69 GTX hardtop because it already includes the Hemi, 440+6, and 440+4, that way you don't have to raid a 71 Charger just for the intake. I've even resin cast a few extra 833 4 speeds to go with all of the extra engines from all of the 69 GTX, 70 Super Bee, 68 Road Runner kits I have for simillar projects.

BTW, I vote for Red on Red, with all of the BMF on the trim it will POP.

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Posted by Ron Hamilton on Friday, October 02, 2009 10:58 PM

slantasaurus

Ron, I have to agree with you. Those AMT kits are a great source for updating the detail on old JoHan and MPC Mopar kits. My personal favorite is the 69 GTX hardtop because it already includes the Hemi, 440+6, and 440+4, that way you don't have to raid a 71 Charger just for the intake. I've even resin cast a few extra 833 4 speeds to go with all of the extra engines from all of the 69 GTX, 70 Super Bee, 68 Road Runner kits I have for simillar projects.

BTW, I vote for Red on Red, with all of the BMF on the trim it will POP.

I have several of the AMT 1968-69 Mopar B-Body kits for upgrading the old MPC and Johan B-Body Mopars. I just picked up an AMT 1969 GTX hardtop for parts raiding. I have been buying up every one of the aforementioned kits I can get cheap, as I have quite a few early '60's JoHan Plymouths and Dodges, as well as a resin 1968 Dodge Coronet R/T Hardtop (I may turn it into a convertible using the innards from the '69 GTX convertible) to do.

The Lindberg 1964 Plymouth Satellite and Dodge 330 kits have a wealth of parts also,the chassis fit well, and the engines are pretty detailed, plus you have the availability of a Ramchargers (Super Stock) V8, or a slant 6, if you are so inclined, depending on the kit.

The Revell '68-'69 Chargers, '67 GTX, Coronet and Charger, as well as the Polar Lights '65 Coronet 500 will also yield some nice parts, but you have to do some slicin' and dicin' to get it in there.

 

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Posted by Ron Hamilton on Friday, October 02, 2009 10:58 PM

slantasaurus

Ron, I have to agree with you. Those AMT kits are a great source for updating the detail on old JoHan and MPC Mopar kits. My personal favorite is the 69 GTX hardtop because it already includes the Hemi, 440+6, and 440+4, that way you don't have to raid a 71 Charger just for the intake. I've even resin cast a few extra 833 4 speeds to go with all of the extra engines from all of the 69 GTX, 70 Super Bee, 68 Road Runner kits I have for simillar projects.

BTW, I vote for Red on Red, with all of the BMF on the trim it will POP.

I cannonballized a '69 GTX Convertible kit to do this one.

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Posted by danno54 on Saturday, October 10, 2009 10:03 AM

Our 64 Fury was white with red interior and trim. Still my fav. combo on that model. Bench seat, push buttons & 383 2bbl. sweet!!

There will be mopars in heaven!
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Posted by Ron Hamilton on Saturday, October 10, 2009 5:03 PM

I was able to work on the Fury last night. I used a few parts from the AMT '71 Charger Kit in order to make the build a little more realistic. The 8 3/4 rear axle from the Charger had too wide a track for the '69 GTX chassis, so I narrowed it to fit. Most of the engine and transmission also came from the Charger, as this build is going to represent a Commando 426-4 Barrel with the Torqueflite Transmission. I removed the A/C components from the engine, but left the Power Steering. At this point everything fits nice.

I was looking at the 1964 Plymouth brochure, and on the cover is a Ruby (Red) Fury 2 door hardtop with a Red interior, whitewall tires and wheel covers. At this point, that combination is looking good to me. I plan to  source the tires and wheels from the Lindberg '64 Belvedere hardtop kit.

I'll post some more pics once I get it up on the wheels before I start on the paint.

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Posted by mangodart on Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:47 AM

 Can't wait to see it finished !!!Tongue

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Posted by Ron Hamilton on Sunday, October 18, 2009 1:35 AM

I was able to get the chassis and running gear up under the '64 Fury Hardtop. The front grille and bumper is just taped in place, and will fit perfectly once everything is glued and lined up.

The Lindberg '64 Belvedere Hardtop contributed its wheelcovers, and the whitewalls are out of the parts box.

 The basic RB Block came from the AMT '71 Charger R/T kit, with the A/C removed. Once I paint it and detail it, it will represent a 426 Commando V8.

The underhood area came from the AMT '69 GTX kit. I have to install a filler panel betewwn the firewall and cowl before I paint it. The interior tub is a Modelhaus item. It is from the original promo, which gives you the correct bench seat interior.

 

More to come!!!

 

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Posted by Ron Hamilton on Sunday, October 18, 2009 1:41 AM

The chassis came from the AMT '69 GTX, and the rear axle is a Modified 8 3/4 from the AMT '71 Charger R/T.

I have to do a dual exhaust system, make a few adjustments, and we will be ready for primer and paint.

This project seems to be coming along pretty good so far.

 Any suggestions and/or comments are welcome.

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Posted by mr tubbs on Monday, October 26, 2009 8:43 AM

WOW Ron, i have a few of the Johan stock cars kits. they have a different body side molding than yours. i have been looking for one of those, didn't even know they made it. its going to be a great looking kit.

Tubbs

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Posted by steve dyke on Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:12 AM

Ron thanks for your advice before came back to this subject since got ahold of clunker body again. Did you modify lower rear panels any since kit doesn't seem to have that much detail. It is the nascar version if they were different thanks again steve. 

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Posted by burlllee on Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:56 AM

  Looking really good RonThumbs Up.

  I love the way the chassis mated up to it, looks like it was part of the kit.

  Good luck, Earl Make a Toast

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Posted by mangodart on Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:09 PM

 Very nice work Ron, why haven't you take some element off the Lindberg Mopar kit which are right for this area off Plymouth ??

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Posted by Ron Hamilton on Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:48 PM
mangodart

 Very nice work Ron, why haven't you take some element off the Lindberg Mopar kit which are right for this area off Plymouth ??

Very simple. I am working with what I have. The AMT kits are far less expensive than the Lindberg kit, and adapting it to the old JoHan was not too difficult. I am quite sure that the Lindburg '64 Belvedere kit will adapt very nicely to the Johan parts too. I used the Lindberg full wheel cover trim, as it is better than the original JoHan pieces in my opinion.

The Lindburg '64 Belevdere is a very nice kit, but the front seats provided in the kit are wrong. The '64 Plymouth Belvedere line was only available with a bench front seat, and not buckets, which I will correct when I build one of my kits as a Belvedere 2-door hardtop. I recently purchased one of Model Car World's '65 Satellite Hardtops to use with the rest of the parts from the kit I raided for the wheelcovers. On that one I have to scratchbuild an accurate '65 Satellite interior for my purposes. I am also going to put a set of Cragar S/S mags on it, as I am going to do a replica of a friend of mines car from back in the day.

 

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Posted by Ron Hamilton on Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:55 PM

steve dyke

Ron thanks for your advice before came back to this subject since got ahold of clunker body again. Did you modify lower rear panels any since kit doesn't seem to have that much detail. It is the nascar version if they were different thanks again steve. 

Steve,

The body used here was an O-R-I-G-I-N-A-L Jo Han annual '64 Plymouth Fury Body with no modifications, other than adding the separation lines between the cowl and fenders, and fenders to rocker panels.

Up until Model Car World did it's resin transkit, these kit bodies were very rare, only being produced by JoHan when the car was new, and never re-released with the Fury exterior trim. JoHan removed the Fury trim when the kit was issued as a Funny Car, and as a Nascar Racer.

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Posted by spkgibson on Thursday, October 29, 2009 5:33 PM

Hi Ron do you still have the original console from the fury and wheel covers?I have the Johan 64 dodge ,with the Polara trim down the sides and i'm using the recharged verion of the kit for the interior and chassis,I'm going to do mine retro as if it was the car made in 64!do you have any idea what version it is,my body is molded in dark blue,I had the original before and it was off-white!Nice job so far!I'm missing the console and the wheel covers for a factory stock version!

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Posted by dimaxion on Friday, October 30, 2009 11:22 AM

The body in the re-releases of the '64 Jo Han Plymouth kits could be modified into a Belvedere . SA did an How to article in the '80's .  Yes the interior is wrong with the Fury counsol , trim and buckets . The Dodge was re-poped by a resin caster . I am trying to get three of these . Good Luck with that . I like how you are breathing life into a derilect . I am following this . Thanx for sharing ..

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Posted by Ron Hamilton on Friday, October 30, 2009 7:14 PM

spkgibson

Hi Ron do you still have the original console from the fury and wheel covers?I have the Johan 64 dodge ,with the Polara trim down the sides and i'm using the recharged verion of the kit for the interior and chassis,I'm going to do mine retro as if it was the car made in 64!do you have any idea what version it is,my body is molded in dark blue,I had the original before and it was off-white!Nice job so far!I'm missing the console and the wheel covers for a factory stock version!

Sorry, but the clunker I am working with was incomplete, basically a body, an empty interior tub, and chassis. No console, nor wheel covers. The condition of the car when I bought it made it a perfect candidate for the project. 

The '64 Dodge you have is the single version kit that was marketed by Johan as a competative salvo against the AMT Craftsman Series. For $1.00, you got a full glue kit, with an engine, but it was only meant to be built as a Replica Stock model. I have the '64 Plymouth Fury HT in that series, as well as the '64 Chrysler 300 Convertible.

The Polar Lights '65 Coronet 500 will give you the proper set of '64 Polara 500 Wheel Covers, and maybe the center console. That is what I am going to use on mine, once I devise a way to mount them onto the JoHan chassis set up..

 I have an unbuilt '64 Plymouth, but I do not plan to part it out, nor sell it at this time.

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Posted by c300g on Friday, July 06, 2012 2:43 PM

what ever happened? did you ever finish the kit?

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