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Great choice!
Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 10, 2003 10:31 AM
Glad to see there's a place where we can chat about the classics! Smile
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Posted by Fordforever on Monday, November 10, 2003 10:53 AM
Yes I agree, I like to build the stock and classics too.Approve
Ilike to build stock and one custom of the same kit.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 10, 2003 4:06 PM
Yes Finally a place for the factory stockers am working now on 69 Daytona Charger and this will be just the perfect place for it Tongue I preferr to build most of my mopars factory stock with the exception of the one I just finished..Anyway Back to building for me have fun all
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Posted by FIREMODELMAN on Monday, November 10, 2003 9:48 PM
hey moparman, who makes the daytona your working on? i just got done with the superbird and was going to do the daytona next, the only kit i could find was from amt/ertl, one word.... junk... i'm not even going to waste my time trying to work to get it to look right. moldings on one side of the car look to be twice as large as they need to , and on the other side they are hardly visible. ... junk.. DisapproveDisapprove

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 10, 2003 10:22 PM
Good to see this forum! I have built several kit 'out of box' that are 'factory-stock' as well!

Glenn
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 10, 2003 10:41 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by FIREMODELMAN

hey moparman, who makes the daytona your working on? i just got done with the superbird and was going to do the daytona next, the only kit i could find was from amt/ertl, one word.... junk... i'm not even going to waste my time trying to work to get it to look right. moldings on one side of the car look to be twice as large as they need to , and on the other side they are hardly visible. ... junk.. DisapproveDisapprove


My Daytona is the testors Lincoln Mint one so far from what I can tell it is a really nice kit Big Smile but kinda pricey ,And as far as my opinion of AMT/Ertl most of there kits are junk in my eyes it seems to me that they just don't care about the craftsmanship of there products anymore...


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Posted by jhaught on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 10:58 AM
Not to praise or denigrate any particular kit or manufacturer, but it has to be tough to make engineering for new kits cost-effective these days. I can see why there are relatively few new tools, and why older stuff is repopped. If the mass-market numbers just aren't there, I imagine the thought often is "let's just run the '59 Impala again with a couple little tweaks" or something like that. To bring out a new kit, at the level of detail we'd like to see, and be able to put it at a price-point that it can sell enough units, has to be difficult -- maybe especially for Factory Stock models. I'd rather model my 2002 Civic than one of The Fast and The Furious cars, but I bet F&F sells better.

Jim Haught

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Posted by FIREMODELMAN on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 9:44 PM
i agree with you jim, 100% , but come on the amt/ertl stuff just isnt up to snuff. i understand completly about the costs of new tools and what not, but there should be something they can do to clean up the issues they have. way to much flash, the details are very faint, if you can see them at all, and come on, where do they get that grey plastic from? it cant cost more to make the kits in white plastic could it?My 2 centsSigh

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 9:49 PM
True enough, but I do wish more of the old classics were available as reissues, without having to resort to online auctions or something. There are models I built stock as a kid that I'd like to go back and build now -- like the early Chevy II/Novas, Corvairs, etc. Understand there's a new Corvair coming out, though Smile.
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Posted by jhaught on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 10:01 PM
Firemodelman, I hear you! And yes, there are kits that we wouldn't think are "up to snuff" but in some cases it sorta depends on whose "snuff" we're talking about. I'm sure the level of "acceptable" quality is probably lower for mass-market than for "real" modelers. And quality control has to be tough when you're sending stuff across the ocean -- and did you see where R-M is going to be doing that too? Wonder if that'll affect their quality.

Sad to say, but plastic kits are like much of the hobby business: the name of the game is units sold. Money is made only when volume is moved, and the company can't survive unless it meets the bottom line, so ...

Remember, too, that the nine-year-old who buys a kit and a tube of glue from Wal-Mart isn't as concerned about the finer points as we are. And that kid was all of us, way back when. Big Smile

Back to Factory Stock!

Jim Haught

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Posted by midnightprowler on Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:14 AM
The reason AMT does their kits in gray is because it imitates factory primer. Their new tools, such as the 57 Chrysler, 66 Buick Riviera, 58 Plymouth, 62 T-Bird, etc, are awesome. Check em out!
Lee

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:36 PM
Ok in responce to everyones comments about AMT/ertl, think about like this lets say you was in the after market parts business but you was just cranking out parts to make the money and taking in to concideration the quality or craftsmanship of the parts what would people think of you and your parts, the same goes for them... It shouldn't matter the age bracket of the builders they should want to make a quality product no matter what to maintain a good rep with there consumers and when they start seeing problems or hearing of them either fix the problem of discontinue the mold not keep making kits with a old wore out mold thats stupid and suicide... Been there done that and once that kinda rep gets around about you or a company it takes alot of work to fix it...


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Posted by FIREMODELMAN on Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:02 PM
i agee with the idea of the kit makers looking at the 'mass market', but the daytona was so bad, i asked my 12 y. o. son if he wanted to build it, he was all happy and stuff, then about 30 minutes later, he comes downstaires, says, how do you get all of this stuff off the parts ( speaking of the flash) so we worked on it for an hour, and i dont think hes going to finish it either.SoapBox, i'm just rambling and these are certainly only my opinions, but thanks for latting me go on and on.Big Smile

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:58 PM
all is good i have had similer problems with there kits and like you I ma just voicing my opinion nothing more sorry if I offended anyone...


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Posted by vamodeler on Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:03 AM
Factory stock is probably about 80% of my modeling ,mostly built box stock...but do enjoy doing a street rod or a kit derived custom for a change .....as far as quality of kits...AMT or otherwise,can have their quirks & maybe amt has had a few more than others..but,just finished a AMT 68 elCamino,basically out of box & it went together great, and is the best looking model I have done in the last year or more,all sub assy's went together perfectly!!!!!.....I've been building for 45 years & as far as I'm concerned,its really never been better than as it is right now.....remember,,,its only plastic....make it an enjoyable hobby,not another of lifes frustrations.........
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Posted by camaroman on Friday, November 14, 2003 7:51 AM
remember,,,its only plastic....make it an enjoyable hobby,not another of lifes frustrations.........vamodeler All i can add is Amen and Nuff Said.
glenn http://public.fotki.com/glennn "That'll be the Day " The Duke from "The Searchers"
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Posted by Charger Maniac on Monday, November 17, 2003 11:17 AM
I too became quickly disgusted by the quality of the old AMT Ertl Chargers. The Revell Monogram Pro-Modeller kit (if you can find it) is the best one for Charger Daytonas (although there are certain differences between the body from that kit to the other RM Charger kits).
The thing to get around on these kits is the molded in detail, especially things like brake and fuel lines molded into the under carriage. Extremely frustrating.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:07 AM
Just finished up a 62' Vette from AMT, bought the kit at Wal-Mart for five bucks! Went together great, built it box stock. Turned out to be a great looking model !
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Posted by kustombuilder1 on Saturday, November 29, 2003 7:40 PM
I too have had success and heartache with AMT, and I gotta defend them a little here. The last three kits I have purchased by AMT have been really good.
My '69 Olds 442 went together without a hitch, and I am preparing to assemble their '93 Ford F-150. While not built yet, the parts and trees are free of any flash, the detailing is good, and the Chrome is even and smooth.

The very best from AMT I have seen is their '71 Duster. I have completed one, and liked it so well, that I bought another one. This one is gonna be super-assembled. I am ready to win a contest or two, and the is THE kit to do it with.



Thanks for listening, and happy modeling!!!
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Posted by Fordforever on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 7:29 PM
I have alot of AMT kits from various years. Not very many problems.Will
continue to buy them.
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Posted by vinnietbird on Monday, December 8, 2003 4:36 PM
I do modify my kits sometimes,but factory stock is my favorite.To me ,these are harder cars to build,because there are guidelines to building them.Rules ,so to speak.Period correct this and that.No custom stuff.I love the challenge.I'm doing a 1969 Charger right now,them I'm on to a 1969 Daytona Charger.I have a Pro- Modeler kit from a couple of years ago.See ya'll later.
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Posted by vinnietbird on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 7:02 PM
Hey,chargermaniac,the pro-modeler Charger was stopped in production and the body and windshield and decals were re-done.There are still some of the Pro-Modeler Chargers out there if you look.Also,Revel released a Charger R/T ,which is the same car,with a few things missing,like the Hemi,the photo-etched parts,and optional stuff.The car itself is still the same,and,it's a lot cheaper.Hope that helps a little.My 2 cents
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Posted by gratch73a on Friday, December 12, 2003 10:56 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Fordforever

Yes I agree, I like to build the stock and classics too.Approve
Ilike to build stock and one custom of the same kit.


2 models=double the pleasure=double the fun. you can't go wrong.
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Posted by gratch73a on Friday, December 12, 2003 11:03 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by camaroman

remember,,,its only plastic....make it an enjoyable hobby,not another of lifes frustrations.........vamodeler All i can add is Amen and Nuff Said.


i'm happy to have the kit to build. imperfections add to challenge making it fun. i agree "make it an enjoyable hobby" something out of nothing makes it more of a treasure.

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