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'09 Hupmobile now has steering!

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'09 Hupmobile now has steering!
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 24, 2005 7:39 PM
I got the steerable front axle done last night (steerable, because a working steering gear is in the works). Check it out, ask any questions you like!







Biscuitbuilder
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Posted by gratch73a on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:34 AM
Did you scratch build the steering?
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Posted by s10man on Friday, March 25, 2005 8:52 AM
Man that is just too cool for words! I'll be watching for more updates. Bill
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 3:40 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by gratch73a

Did you scratch build the steering?


Gratch73a,

Yes. I scratchbuilt the steering arms I attached to the spindles from strip styrene, carved them to shape with my Dremel tool (after I cut the spindles away from the kit axle). Also scratchbuilt were the little angles at top and bottom of the spindles, which trap the axle ends, so that .020" brass rod could be fitted down through the spindles and axle ends for pivoting.

The tie rod is .020" brass rod (that scales out to 1/2" in scale), and scratchbuilt the tie rod ends and the lock nuts next to them.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 26, 2005 11:21 AM
Great work so far. I'll be watching this build also!!
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Posted by gratch73a on Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:33 PM
Wow, that's Kick As* biscuitbuilder1! Thanks for the reply.
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Posted by darkwanderer on Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:55 PM
Biscuitbuilder1, your taking what was a very simple kit and making something fantastic out of it. I'll be watching this one for sure. Thumbs Up
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Posted by 7055 on Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:56 PM
Me too! can't wait to see this one finishedThumbs Up

Just thought I'd mention, if you have an old ten dollar bill, look on the back. The car parked in front of the building is also a hupmobile. but its a 1926'
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:21 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by 7055

Me too! can't wait to see this one finishedThumbs Up

Just thought I'd mention, if you have an old ten dollar bill, look on the back. The car parked in front of the building is also a hupmobile. but its a 1926'


Actually, if you look at it more closely, the radiator shell speaks Model A Ford very loudly, but the official story from the US Bureau of Printing & Engraving is that the car on the old $10 bill is generic, not any particular make of car.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 5:46 PM
Nice Biscuitbuilder1!!

gona be neat when done...............Big Smile

keep up the great work!

Mj
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Posted by 7055 on Monday, March 28, 2005 7:55 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by biscuitbuilder1

QUOTE: Originally posted by 7055

Me too! can't wait to see this one finishedThumbs Up

Just thought I'd mention, if you have an old ten dollar bill, look on the back. The car parked in front of the building is also a hupmobile. but its a 1926'


Actually, if you look at it more closely, the radiator shell speaks Model A Ford very loudly, but the official story from the US Bureau of Printing & Engraving is that the car on the old $10 bill is generic, not any particular make of car.

Biscuitbuilder


Never actually looked at it but the bathroom trivia book I happened to be reading said it was a 1926 hupmobile. Who knows what the story is.
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Posted by BigTallDad on Monday, March 28, 2005 10:23 PM
Any questions? OK, what's the capitol of Alaska? Just kidding. Great job, and I can see that, although your skills are so much higher than mine, we both tend to look at the obscure side of building models: you make the steering work, I make the lights work. Does the "Hup" have a folding top? Gonna make it operational? I have a '30 Packard Boattail Speedster kit and will probably make the top functional. Any suggestions?

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:29 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by BigTallDad

Any questions? OK, what's the capitol of Alaska? Just kidding. Great job, and I can see that, although your skills are so much higher than mine, we both tend to look at the obscure side of building models: you make the steering work, I make the lights work. Does the "Hup" have a folding top? Gonna make it operational? I have a '30 Packard Boattail Speedster kit and will probably make the top functional. Any suggestions?


I gave some thought to doing at least a raised top, but decided against it, simply because there really aren't any fabrics out there (at least in the normal fabric stores) that are both thin enough, yet tightly woven enough (to keep light from passing through) to do the job well. I have also looked at a windshield, but bending brass into a frame, with some sort of channel in which to insert the "glass" presents some very serious problems--I'd much rather not do one, than to have it come out looking like crap. Perhaps a monocle windscreen though--I have given that some thought--we'll see, but a raised top just doesn't speak "Speedster" to me.

As for your Packard roadster, doing a folding top for that presents some problems, again due to the lack of really workable cloth that would look right, yet fold tightly enough to make it work--but, you may well find something I haven't yet seen.

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Posted by notlezah on Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:00 PM
Biscuitbuilder, the Hup is looking good...I've been following your progress...nice work!
I read BigTallDad's post and I may have something you can use for a top...it's thin vinyl coated cloth in a medium grey color, it was the protective cover in an old blueprint cabinet I am reworking. If either of you would like to check it out and/or try it, I could send you some...email me your address and I'll send you a swatch, lord knows I'll never use it all...Smile,Wink, & Grin
I am Howard, Jack of all trades,Master of none...current projects: Diorama-->60's gas station, Post WWIII PerriPeekaboo...See my stuff here: http://public.fotki.com/notlezah/ Simple rules. Have you read them? http://www.scaleautomag.com/sca/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7502
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Posted by BigTallDad on Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:27 PM
Actually, I'm thinking about using an old umbrella for the top material

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:02 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by notlezah

Biscuitbuilder, the Hup is looking good...I've been following your progress...nice work!
I read BigTallDad's post and I may have something you can use for a top...it's thin vinyl coated cloth in a medium grey color, it was the protective cover in an old blueprint cabinet I am reworking. If either of you would like to check it out and/or try it, I could send you some...email me your address and I'll send you a swatch, lord knows I'll never use it all...Smile,Wink, & Grin



Thanks, but I decided early on in this project that I wouldn't build a top for this model, simply because I want it as an open car, if anything, I would make only the mounting points for the top, which probably was an optional piece at any rate. I want this car to have a fully sporting character to it. Incidently, many open cars of the era of the Hupmobile were driven completely without benefit of a folding top--they weren't all weather cars in any stretch of the imagination, so if it was a rainy day, and certainly in winter, cars like this tended to sit at home in a nice dry barn or early garage.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:10 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by BigTallDad

Actually, I'm thinking about using an old umbrella for the top material


The kicker, even with the fine-grain synthetic cloth of an umbrella, is in just how does one get the various seams of the actual top. Folding tops of the era were made from multiple panels of cloth, with reinforcing belts of heavier fabric underneath, in the same manner as convertible tops ever since. So, the key is to figure out how to stitch those various panels together while still having the top material able to fold readily.

Your folding top sounds neat--hope you can resolve all the issues I have mentioned!

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Posted by Bainford on Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:52 PM
While reading this post, I thought of another material that may be suitable for a top, etc. The micro fibre cloths used for cleaning eye glasses is a very fine, tightly woven material. It is available in many different colours, and reasonably priced. Keep in mind that the ones sold at optomotrists are better then the ones you get at the local 'sunglasses hut'.

Just a thought.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 1, 2005 12:18 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Bainford

While reading this post, I thought of another material that may be suitable for a top, etc. The micro fibre cloths used for cleaning eye glasses is a very fine, tightly woven material. It is available in many different colours, and reasonably priced. Keep in mind that the ones sold at optomotrists are better then the ones you get at the local 'sunglasses hut'.

Just a thought.


Still not going to get a top though. I will add the mounting points for the top, to show that one was available, but removed for the summer. I just like the looks of the car that way, I guess.

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Posted by BigTallDad on Saturday, April 2, 2005 7:29 AM
Many years ago I was a single father with two sons, so with the help of a 1935 portable electric Singer sewing machine, I was able to keep up with the clothing repairs. As a result of raising those two cubs, I learned a little about sewing and ironing.

Right now, I'm leaning towards contact cement as a bonding agent on the top; it holds well, yet is flexible. The first step is overlap two pieces of material by approx 1 mm and cement; then, fold the lower layer over the upper layer and cement about 1mm. Flip both pieces over, then fold the former upper-layer back and cement 1mm. You end up with what would appear to be a collapsed Z, which should be a realistic ridge.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 3:12 PM
Hello; I am an early brass antique car enthusiast and was wondering who makes this kit of the 1909 Hupmobile, what scale is this in and where can I order one? Thanks.Smile
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 8:15 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by MarkWaters

Hello; I am an early brass antique car enthusiast and was wondering who makes this kit of the 1909 Hupmobile, what scale is this in and where can I order one? Thanks.Smile


This kit is 1:24 scale, tooled by Kaysun Toy Company in the mid-1950's, produced from 1950-about 1972 by Hawk Model Company, now out of production. They show up on Ebay regularly. Kaysun/Hawk also produced a 1:24 scale 1902 Rambler.

Tonka Toys made a couple of pretty nice 1:25 scale brass-era car kits as well: 1903 Winton Runabout, and 1914 Model T Ford touring car--again, eBay stuff now.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 2, 2005 8:19 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by MarkWaters

Hello; I am an early brass antique car enthusiast and was wondering who makes this kit of the 1909 Hupmobile, what scale is this in and where can I order one? Thanks.Smile


The Hupmobile is 1:24 scale, tooled by the former Kaysun Toy Company in the mid-1950's, and later produced through the 60's by Hawk Model Company (who also picked up Kaysun's really neat 1:24 scale 1902 Rambler). eBay material now.

Tonka Toys also produced a very nice pair of 1:25 scale plastic kits of brass cars: 1903 Winton Runabout, and a 1914 Model T Ford Touring Car--OOP, eBay again.

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Posted by broncobuster on Monday, April 13, 2009 3:58 AM

Hello Biscuit builder, could you post a how to tutorial on how to make workable steering, with pictures, I can't find anything and I don't know how to do it, PLEASE!!!!!

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Posted by dimaxion on Monday, April 13, 2009 9:44 AM

Biscuitbuilder , once again your creativity amazes me . I would really like to know how you found a resource to make the engine . I would like access to that information please . I see it is of Cross Flow design . Intake on one side and exhaust on the other .  I want to add this feature to my version . I glued the hood with white glue anticipating a future engine . Thank you in advance . I agree with the topless look . I've found photos of these with and without tops . The "fair weather friend" is much better .

      Just to expand the search for this model , the same kit was sold under Strombecker .

    Now how to find resources on a Factory Stock Porter ??

      I am watching this thread . Cool Thanx..   

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Posted by Thomas E on Monday, April 13, 2009 11:01 AM

Yes how creative, I will be watching this '09 Hupmobile thread. To how it finishes up. Looks good so far.

There are several cars in the early years that I like.

I believe the last of the Hupmobiles were the 1939 Hupmobile Skylark four-door sedan; and 1941 Hupmobile that was also know as the Graham Paige Hollywood, which was also a four-door sedan.

Our family car in 1945-47 was a tan colored '41 Graham Paige Hollywood.

Both the '39 and '41 Hups were based on the 1937 Cord Beverly four-door sedan.  

 

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Posted by ericmac on Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:18 PM

Once upon a time I tried to build a convertible top when I put together a '31 Imperial Roadster kit. What a disaster. I was just glad to salvage the kit by the time I was done. You have done a masterful job on this one Art...as usual. I can't wait to see the finished product.

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Why can't I stand to slap these things together like I did as a teenager? On the bench 1930 Packard 734 Speedster Victoria, 1932 Duesenberg J Judkins Coupe, 1934 Ford Cabriolet, 1926 Ford Model Ts-the complete set of all six bodystyles.

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Posted by brewsterg6 on Wednesday, April 15, 2009 9:54 PM

You guys have got to settle down a bit...  Poor Biscuit has only had four years to sort this one out... Wait at least the rest of the decade before you ask him to finish it up!!Laugh

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Posted by nells250 on Saturday, April 18, 2009 8:49 AM

'09?  Where's the AIRBAG???

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Posted by Thomas E on Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:45 AM

nells250

'09?  Where's the AIRBAG???

Laugh

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