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What is Factory Stock Really ?
Posted by oldcarguy on Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:06 PM

Well , there's a lot of thought out there on this question .

    Factory Stock ? Hmmm. The truth is many cars we remember were not "Factory Stock"  ! Why , well think about it for a minute . How many cars , if sold Factory Stock would you remember ?

    It's the premium models and extras on the car that made you a believer or a buyer .

  What extras ?  Well the passenger side mirror .The trim level and colors available . This goes for interior appointments too . Air ? Definitely an extra back then .

   Bigger engine ? An option . Chosen by many , but not all . I had a 57 Dodge " Royal Lancer " Sport Sedan . Three colors , Pushbutton tranny ( extra ) ps , pw ,pb and air and tinted window ( a strip across the windshield .) Optional trim for the three color package . Wheels and Wheel covers Optional . No the wheels weren't  , just the type and style .

 Now , this was ALL installed by the dealer when the original owner bought the car . It was a barn find for me . This was awesome to look at when cleaned up . I had the carb rebuilt and fuel lines replaced along with the old wiring .

 The engine ? a 318 with a two Barrel . Tranny, standard Chrysler automatic . With Push Buttons that still worked ! The car only had 3,500 miles , actual , on it ! 

 Was it factory stock ? Not in your best imagination .  Would you have seen it at a dealer ? Yes . With many of the options already installed , given the area .

 Now to models . Never in the life of a car , have the base models EVER been the subject of promos or customizing kits ! Till lately that is . We have the Ford Wagon .Middle of the line .The Chevy 210 sedan . Almost bottom of the line . Look at the dash on the Chevy . Same one you get in the 56 Bel-Air .

   If you wanted plain jane you had to create it from that loaded model . Why ? Think about it .You have just bought your first NEW car . Junior get a promo of next year's car .You keep looking at it on the shelf , saying to yourself " That looks so much better than what I bought ." It's called Marketing .

   It was very competitive back then . Regions had their own version of a fully loaded , trimmed out vehicle . ( Factory Options ) Then the dealer had it too .For instance here in Texas we have a  "Longhorn Edition " for every large vehicle in the Ford line - up . Or the ubiquitus " King Ranch Edition . Now that's just trucks ! 

      To say Factory Stock it's best to just think , You have in the box what the factory thought was best for that model . If you stick there you might have to change that model car to meet the category .Then it's "Factory Stock "  Otherwise - - - Guys it's just  " Box Stock  "

 The best example I can give are two models that we all came to love .The 56 Ford Crown Victoria and the 57 Chevrolet Bel - Aire.         O.C.G. 

gjgeracci
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Posted by Arthur Anderson on Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:29 PM

Uh the Ford Del Rio, as kitted by Revell, was HARDLY the middle of their lineup--rather it was a considerably up-trimmed 2dr Ranch Wagon, and as such, commanded a higher price--more in the class of say, the Country Sedan station wagon, or even the Country Squire in a 2dr version sans the faux wood and vinyl "D-Noc" woodgraining.

In my mind, too, factory accessories that were intended for dealer installation do not detract one iota from what is often called "factory stock"  Consider that by "factory accessories", what is meant by that is that in say, the case of a Chevrolet--those accessories bore the Bowtie emblem, and GM parts numbers--but were, in most cases, parts that, had they been installed on the assembly lines, would have unnecessarily slowed down the production lines.

Art

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Posted by Lil Rebel on Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:41 PM

Not only was "Factory Stock" a miss leading statement, but so were production statements. For a factory to state they only manufactured such and such in a pitucular car, meant they didn't mass produce it any other way, as in the W30 package in hard top only in 1966, I owned a Fire engine red convertable 1966 with a W30 package special order. Yes you could order just about anything back then. Found the paper work a couple a months ago.... delivered price....$3768.00! Wished I still had it.

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Posted by Goofy62 on Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:08 PM

As far as I'm concerned, if it was a factory or dealer installed option that was installed when the car was new, it's factory stock.

Different engines, trim, wheels or wheel covers, etc, that were factory accessories, in my mind, still constitutes a factory stock build.

I would even go so far as to say that a non-factory accessory installed at the dealer, such as a continental kit or fender skirts, would still rank as a factory stock automobile.

I feel that when you went to pick up your new car at the dealership, it was factory stock.

If you pulled it out into the parking lot 5 minutes after picking it up & installed a set of Torque Thrust wheels & after market chrome valve covers & air cleaner, it ceases to be factory stock.

 

Steve

 

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Posted by midnightprowler on Sunday, August 13, 2017 7:22 AM

Goofy62

As far as I'm concerned, if it was a factory or dealer installed option that was installed when the car was new, it's factory stock.

Different engines, trim, wheels or wheel covers, etc, that were factory accessories, in my mind, still constitutes a factory stock build.

I would even go so far as to say that a non-factory accessory installed at the dealer, such as a continental kit or fender skirts, would still rank as a factory stock automobile.

I feel that when you went to pick up your new car at the dealership, it was factory stock.

If you pulled it out into the parking lot 5 minutes after picking it up & installed a set of Torque Thrust wheels & after market chrome valve covers & air cleaner, it ceases to be factory stock.

 

Steve

 

 

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Posted by oldcarguy on Sunday, August 13, 2017 8:08 AM

Ok A.A.!

 I stand corrected . I lived with G.M. minded folks back then . Still didn't know much about the Ford line-Up

gjgeracci
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Posted by oldcarguy on Sunday, August 13, 2017 8:15 AM

Hi Goofy62 ;

   The problem for me is that while I was waiting for my first orders after Boot Camp . (Deferred enlistment  , so I could finish school ) I worked at the Ford Plant in town . We built dashes on my line .Followed it to the car and put it in .Very few wagons , but a lot of plain Jane sedans .

    The options list was taped to the car and told us what else we had to include such as components that could be put in easier Before the fenders went on . Most trim or appearance items went on at the dealer .We all were told , nay trained , that as it went on the truck that was factory stock !

    The other goodies such as up - scale wheelcovers and extra mirror etc .were dealer installed as per order .NOT like they came from our plant !

gjgeracci
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Posted by Goofy62 on Sunday, August 13, 2017 1:43 PM

oldcarguy

Hi Goofy62 ;

   The problem for me is that while I was waiting for my first orders after Boot Camp . (Deferred enlistment  , so I could finish school ) I worked at the Ford Plant in town . We built dashes on my line .Followed it to the car and put it in .Very few wagons , but a lot of plain Jane sedans .

    The options list was taped to the car and told us what else we had to include such as components that could be put in easier Before the fenders went on . Most trim or appearance items went on at the dealer .We all were told , nay trained , that as it went on the truck that was factory stock !

    The other goodies such as up - scale wheelcovers and extra mirror etc .were dealer installed as per order .NOT like they came from our plant !

 

Technically speaking, I would say that you are correct.

But for the purposes of something like building models & forums such as this, there is no possibility that your average person is going to know what parts came from the factory & which were installed at the dealership.

Perhaps a more appropriate heading for a section like this would be "Showroom Stock" rather than factory stock.

I have seen other forums use this term probably to avoid "confusions" such as this.

But I believe that most of us understand that the way the car came off of the showroom floor is what we are talking about rather than what parts were in the trunk at the time the car was delivered to the dealer.

 

Steve

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Posted by American185 on Sunday, August 13, 2017 7:15 PM

To me Factory Stock means the way it was displayed on the showroom floor and how you or you parents took the car home. No flames, fancy slicks, side exhausts or crazy paint jobs. I am a huge fan of Oldsmobile and Ford Motor Co's big cars and a lot of the midsize, and build every one as a daily driver. Have just about all the models of the Cutlass ever sold and not one is a 442. All have become a Cutlass Supreme in Olds factory colors of the particular model year. Most recent was a 75 Cutlass S  promo that I bought at a garage sale. A lot of TLC but it is facotry accurate now in Champagne and was a horrific purple that was never offered on the car. Did the same to old Starsky and Hutch. Now a Gran Torino Brougham with opera windows, wsw tires, luxury wheel covers in Ginger Glow. Mustangs and all pony cars do zero for me, never have or will. Always preferred luxury cars even as a kid. Have every Torino from 68 on up that was offered and all are factory accurate. The same for my LTD's, Galaxie 500's, and Thunderbirds. All are factory colors, correct wsw tires for the era. As are my Torinos or the Brougham, not one cobra or GT in my collection. Did the same to the lowrider Cadillac by Revell. Located a resin conversion kit for the Brougham, had the interior panels cast and that is now a Lt. Antelope Firemist Brougham sedan including wsw tires and wire wheel covers, dead accurate for 1990. As the Fleetwood was front drive in 90, and the rear drive coupe discontinued in mid 86, wasn't building a fake Cadillac.

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Posted by oldcarguy on Monday, August 14, 2017 12:59 PM

Hi Steve !

 Now , I think you hit the nail on the head ! Showroom Stock would be a better name for most of the model cars we see . I do think Factory Stock is okay and it has been around it seems , forever . I wrote what I have mainly to make folks think .

 When we were little for gosh sakes , you could buy a house from the Sears catalogue and put it together yourself . No one of them came out exactly the same either .

 Going back to model cars .I wanted folks to Not be afraid to change chrome and grilles and tailights to signify a different model in the line .

gjgeracci
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Posted by dimaxion on Monday, August 14, 2017 2:33 PM

The description of Factory Stock in SA is so self explanitory . "Just like on the Shiowroom Floor ." Anything in the Current Model year with any options including Dealer Installed to me is what I EXPECT to see here . This is why I view this . It is my genera , my field of interest . When I see anything with an Engine available 20 years after the last one of this Car fell of the Assembly Line being passed off as FS . When I see Tires and Wheels available 20 + years in the future on build I am forced to look at offending me . I wonder where the moderators are and why do Rules Exist ?  ..  When I have the desire to see any modified vehicle , I go elsewhere than Factory Stock in SA . Yes , Connie Kits , twim chrome exhaust tips - mirrors - antennas - spotlights - chromed fender skirts I've seen on Showroom Floors . Chopped Tops - Lowered jobs - shaved - channeled - nosed - sectioned - need not apply . I had a chance to buy a Special Order '68 Torino with a Factory Spl Paint . It was a mix of faded into each other mix of Candy Colors . Blues , Greens , Yellows , Gold , Silver , Orange , Purple . I passed as touch up would be a nightmare . My Insurance Agent estimated a tripled permium to cover this paint job alone without any kind of Gaurantee to match the paint . The Car would have been a Writeoff needing any kind of Paintwork . Good Old Allstate with their hands in my Pocket IMHO .  Yet , this car was on the Showroom being a work of Art Special order ..   Thanx .. 

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Posted by Arthur Anderson on Saturday, September 02, 2017 12:29 AM

oldcarguy

Well , there's a lot of thought out there on this question .

    Factory Stock ? Hmmm. The truth is many cars we remember were not "Factory Stock"  ! Why , well think about it for a minute . How many cars , if sold Factory Stock would you remember ?

    It's the premium models and extras on the car that made you a believer or a buyer .

  What extras ?  Well the passenger side mirror .The trim level and colors available . This goes for interior appointments too . Air ? Definitely an extra back then .

   Bigger engine ? An option . Chosen by many , but not all . I had a 57 Dodge " Royal Lancer " Sport Sedan . Three colors , Pushbutton tranny ( extra ) ps , pw ,pb and air and tinted window ( a strip across the windshield .) Optional trim for the three color package . Wheels and Wheel covers Optional . No the wheels weren't  , just the type and style .

 Now , this was ALL installed by the dealer when the original owner bought the car . It was a barn find for me . This was awesome to look at when cleaned up . I had the carb rebuilt and fuel lines replaced along with the old wiring .

 The engine ? a 318 with a two Barrel . Tranny, standard Chrysler automatic . With Push Buttons that still worked ! The car only had 3,500 miles , actual , on it ! 

 Was it factory stock ? Not in your best imagination .  Would you have seen it at a dealer ? Yes . With many of the options already installed , given the area .

 Now to models . Never in the life of a car , have the base models EVER been the subject of promos or customizing kits ! Till lately that is . We have the Ford Wagon .Middle of the line .The Chevy 210 sedan . Almost bottom of the line . Look at the dash on the Chevy . Same one you get in the 56 Bel-Air .

   If you wanted plain jane you had to create it from that loaded model . Why ? Think about it .You have just bought your first NEW car . Junior get a promo of next year's car .You keep looking at it on the shelf , saying to yourself " That looks so much better than what I bought ." It's called Marketing .

   It was very competitive back then . Regions had their own version of a fully loaded , trimmed out vehicle . ( Factory Options ) Then the dealer had it too .For instance here in Texas we have a  "Longhorn Edition " for every large vehicle in the Ford line - up . Or the ubiquitus " King Ranch Edition . Now that's just trucks ! 

      To say Factory Stock it's best to just think , You have in the box what the factory thought was best for that model . If you stick there you might have to change that model car to meet the category .Then it's "Factory Stock "  Otherwise - - - Guys it's just  " Box Stock  "

 The best example I can give are two models that we all came to love .The 56 Ford Crown Victoria and the 57 Chevrolet Bel - Aire.         O.C.G. 

 

It ALL depends on the make of car, the year and the model!   Bear in mind, for example, that for YEARS, the left outside rear view mirrow was NOT installed at the factory--in fact, as late as 1970 (I remember this from my '70 'Cuda the rear outside mirror was DEALER installed!), as were many other accessories. In short, whenever possible, do the research, see what was installed at the factory, and what was either factory-authorized for dealerships to install, and what was "aftermarket".  This can be a tedious research project, but trust me, for most popular cars, that information IS available, both in print (perhaps only original literature) and online (for most popular cars).

Art

 

 

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Posted by Arthur Anderson on Saturday, September 02, 2017 12:33 AM

dimaxion

The description of Factory Stock in SA is so self explanitory . "Just like on the Shiowroom Floor ." Anything in the Current Model year with any options including Dealer Installed to me is what I EXPECT to see here . This is why I view this . It is my genera , my field of interest . When I see anything with an Engine available 20 years after the last one of this Car fell of the Assembly Line being passed off as FS . When I see Tires and Wheels available 20 + years in the future on build I am forced to look at offending me . I wonder where the moderators are and why do Rules Exist ?  ..  When I have the desire to see any modified vehicle , I go elsewhere than Factory Stock in SA . Yes , Connie Kits , twim chrome exhaust tips - mirrors - antennas - spotlights - chromed fender skirts I've seen on Showroom Floors . Chopped Tops - Lowered jobs - shaved - channeled - nosed - sectioned - need not apply . I had a chance to buy a Special Order '68 Torino with a Factory Spl Paint . It was a mix of faded into each other mix of Candy Colors . Blues , Greens , Yellows , Gold , Silver , Orange , Purple . I passed as touch up would be a nightmare . My Insurance Agent estimated a tripled permium to cover this paint job alone without any kind of Gaurantee to match the paint . The Car would have been a Writeoff needing any kind of Paintwork . Good Old Allstate with their hands in my Pocket IMHO .  Yet , this car was on the Showroom being a work of Art Special order ..   Thanx .. 

 

Bear in mind that from 1955 to at least 1959, Chevrolet DID do factory-installed Connie kits--easily recognized in that those were different rear bumper center sections surrounding the spare tire in it's housing.  There may be others which cause confusion, of course, but with most of the popular cars (which are generally in model car kit form), the information IS out there!

 

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