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Define box stock
Posted by smhardesty on Monday, March 6, 2017 2:09 PM

I have been reading a lot of articles in the magazines, in forums, and other places online. When I see the descriptions for various builds I keep getting confused. I see things like, “Box stock with photoetch parts, ignition wiring, and heater hoses”. That doesn’t seem “box stock” at all to me. I realize this forum is for “Factory Stock”, but figured this to be as good a place as any to ask this question. Exactly what is “box stock”? In my mind I take that phrase to mean the kit was built with nothing at all added except glue and paint. Am I wrong?

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Posted by htown2 on Monday, March 6, 2017 2:35 PM

I think they are mixing up two terms.  Most contests have an "out of the box" category as described in the post above.  In other words build the best model you can with what's in the box with paint, foil and aftermarket decals usually allowed.  It also usually doesn't have to be a completely factory stock build. Hot rods or race cars are generally allowed as long as that is what came in the box.

There is also usually a category for "factory stock".  The idea of this is to build the best replica of a car as it would have rolled off the assembly line.  Any type of aftermarket parts and super detailing are allowed but the car is supposed to be 100% stock so no street rod or hot rod type mods allowed. 

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Posted by Goofy62 on Monday, March 6, 2017 2:59 PM

In short, "box" stock is just that.

A model built using "only" the parts supplied in the kit.

That can still be a custom or a racing version, but only parts in the kit can be used.

You are allowed paint & foil, but no photo etched or wiring or plumbing unless it's included.

 

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Posted by smhardesty on Tuesday, March 7, 2017 12:59 PM

 

OK. From what you 3 guys have said, my own interpretation of “box stock” is correct. I think when I refer to “box stock” I’ll stick to the very strictest interpretation and mean ONLY what is in the box except for glue, foil, and paint. I’m going to think that even ignition wiring and/or engine plumbing changes the status of the build. I’m also going to include photoetched parts and decals that weren’t included with the kit. I could be wrong in thinking along these lines, but to me the explanation Art provided and confirmed by htown2 and Steve is what “box stock” implies and should remain.

Yeah, I’m completely familiar with “factory stock” as well. I’m going to say that 75%, give or take, of my builds will be “factory stock”. The exceptions will be those kits I build to replicate cars I remember from “back in the day” and will usually only have different wheels and tires, maybe a different or modified engine, and non-standard paint. I will be building some gasser, F/X, and early funny cars and I might not follow the painting and decal schemes that are in the instructions. I don’t believe that will alter the “box stock” status of the car. I’ll still be assembling the kit ONLY with parts that were included with the kit. I just won’t be attempting to replicate a specific race car from the past.

Thanks to you 3 for your replies. You have provided extremely useful info and have confirmed my way of thinking. I also believe that the individuals that have misrepresented “box stock” in articles and photo descriptions have simply confused terminology. That’s the only excuse I can think of. I don’t think there are that many individuals out there that intentionally attempted to alter the meaning of “box stock”.

Thanks, guys!

 

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Posted by Bainford on Tuesday, March 7, 2017 1:46 PM

smhardesty

 

 “Box stock with photoetch parts, ignition wiring, and heater hoses”. That doesn’t seem “box stock” at all to me.

Keep in mind that the person who made the statement quoted above may not have been intending to deceive, or have been misguided. It depends on how you read the statement, and I have seen this numerous times when a builder describes his build on a forum. The quoted person could be saying (is likely saying) that his build is not heavily modified, just built out of box PLUS the addition of wiring etc. He is not claiming the build to be box stock, rather its a simple build with the addition of light detailing.

I only mention this because I see this description often, and originally I was mistaken into thinking the builder didn't know what he was talking about. In fact he did know, and his description of the build was accurate. Context can be difficult to discern on internet forums.

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Posted by Goofy62 on Tuesday, March 7, 2017 2:49 PM

Bainford

 

 
smhardesty

 

 “Box stock with photoetch parts, ignition wiring, and heater hoses”. That doesn’t seem “box stock” at all to me.

 

 

Keep in mind that the person who made the statement quoted above may not have been intending to deceive, or have been misguided. It depends on how you read the statement, and I have seen this numerous times when a builder describes his build on a forum. The quoted person could be saying (is likely saying) that his build is not heavily modified, just built out of box PLUS the addition of wiring etc. He is not claiming the build to be box stock, rather its a simple build with the addition of light detailing.

I only mention this because I see this description often, and originally I was mistaken into thinking the builder didn't know what he was talking about. In fact he did know, and his description of the build was accurate. Context can be difficult to discern on internet forums.

 

All absolutely true.

This is how I build nearly all of my models.

Pretty much consisting of what was in the box with a few added details like wiring, plumbing, possibly a change of wheels, after market tires, etc.

This is not "box stock", but is rather "factory stock" in most instances.

This distinction is basically meaningless though, unless you plan on entering a show.

Otherwise it's nothing more than a style of building.

 

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Posted by smhardesty on Tuesday, March 7, 2017 11:16 PM

You’re absolutely correct, Trevor. I have indeed read descriptions exactly like what you stated. And I recognized what it was the guy was saying. I have also read descriptions that went the other way, where the author was definitely indicating the build was box stock, but also included in the description was the mention of engine plumbing & wiring, and photoetched parts. Those are the ones that made me second guess what I thought box stock meant.

You’re also 100% correct, Steve. The description doesn’t mean anything unless the car is to be entered in a show or contest. The other time that the description holds at least some meaning is in the description of a car that is shown in a magazine or in an online gallery, but it’s not quite so important in that case.

I will never enter a car in a show or contest. The majority of my builds will be box stock with a few exceptions of engine plumbing and wiring. I pretty much doubt I’ll ever get into the photoetched parts thing since my builds are for my own pleasure and an occasional friend or family member, and even then there won’t be any handling of the cars. They will simply be viewed in their display cases. Thus I have very little need to add engine plumbing and wiring. The few that I do that to will be just for my enjoyment and if doing that becomes a problem for my fingers I’ll just stop doing it. The hoods will always be down in the displays. I have to remind myself occasionally that I’m building these cars to occupy my time since I’m unable to do a lot of the things I used to do. If I get wrapped up in trying to duplicate the intricate additional detailing that some of you guys do I know I won’t be able to accomplish the tasks with a level of skill I’d be happy with, thus ruining the enjoyment of building the car. So, for me, box stock is absolutely the best way to go.

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Posted by htown2 on Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:52 PM

Another term tossed around is a "Day 2" car.  Usually referring to a 60's and 70's muscle car.  Idea was you brought a car home from the dealer on day one and on day two added common mods generally all bolt on such as mag wheels, wider tires, traction bars, headers, Cherry bomb mufflers, Hurst shifter, Sun tach, SW instruments ect.  Almost everybody did it.  In fact it was rare to see a car back then that was 100% stock.

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Posted by American185 on Thursday, March 9, 2017 11:47 AM

To me box stock is just that. What the box includes, nothing more or less. In this forum factory stock means just that to me as well, a model representing a car I could see on a showroom floor of a new car dealer. I only build my models this way in factory colors as well, not interested in custom colors, adding crazy stripes or raising or lowering anything of the model. If I could not walk in to a new car dealer, and drive it off the dealers lot, I do not build the model. Just my own personal preference. And box stock should stay that. Doesn't need working power windows, remote start etc., or swapping out of wheels. If you want to build custom, don't post it in box stock or factory stock is my opinion.

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Posted by smhardesty on Thursday, March 9, 2017 12:21 PM

htown2

Another term tossed around is a "Day 2" car.  Usually referring to a 60's and 70's muscle car.  Idea was you brought a car home from the dealer on day one and on day two added common mods generally all bolt on such as mag wheels, wider tires, traction bars, headers, Cherry bomb mufflers, Hurst shifter, Sun tach, SW instruments ect.  Almost everybody did it.  In fact it was rare to see a car back then that was 100% stock.

That’s what most of my non-box stock builds will be. And you’re 100% correct. Even if it was only wheels & tires, it seemed to me that every car I saw was no longer factory stock. I noticed you left off air shocks. We had to have them to get those fender wells up off of those big, fat tires we installed. Stick out tongue

 

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Posted by oldcarguy on Saturday, March 18, 2017 2:41 PM

S.M.

   I have been building model cars since they were wood . Box stock means , to me , Just what comes in the box . Now if the kit gives options then I will build the second option and the third . But , They will be all box stock ! ( using ONLY the parts in THAT BOX ! ) 

Whe you start adding Wiring , Chopping Tops , Shaving , well then , this is NOT nor has it ever been BOX Stock.

 If you had built back in the 50s or 60s then you would understand why some of us got turned off by the BOX Stock " Customs " Available . Some thought they made a car look Cool . Not I .

 The first '" Box Stock " Modified kit I saw was a 32 ford coupe on which the modeler had opened the doors . So This lifted it out of BOX Stock ! The kit DID NOT come with open doors ! So you see it is a fine line we can walk as to meaning .To Me , Box Stock means just Exactly that !  O.C.G.

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Posted by Treehugger Dave on Saturday, March 18, 2017 3:09 PM

Reading these posts brings back a lot of memories when we used to get our accessory pieces or "after market parts from my mothers sewing box Smile, Wink & Grin, or we'd go to the hardware store to get plastic wood filler for doing body work and thin it with lacquer thinner to get it to spread better and the lacquer would attack the plastic and make the filler stick better, and dry faster.

Talk about some of us being "Dinasaurs" in this hobby Wink.

Factory stock?? Box stock?? Who knew or worried about it back then???

No adults building back then to mess things up.

We were just neighbor kids havin fun with our buddies.

Sometimes ya think maybe things have gotten too complicated with way too much attitude.

 

 

 

                                     

 

 

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Posted by smhardesty on Saturday, March 18, 2017 3:45 PM

oldcarguy

S.M.

   I have been building model cars since they were wood . Box stock means , to me , Just what comes in the box . Now if the kit gives options then I will build the second option and the third . But , They will be all box stock ! ( using ONLY the parts in THAT BOX ! )

That’s pretty much my interpretation as well. I can’t really say for sure the exact percentage, but a LOT of my builds will be box stock. Very few will have any engine detailing since they will be displayed with hoods down inside display cases. I guess I just can’t see the added expense and extra effort to make modifications that will probably never be seen. So it’s likely that BMF and the occasional switch in tires and wheels will be the extent of my mods. The one exception is the Barracuda notchback I’ll build in the future.

 

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Posted by smhardesty on Saturday, March 18, 2017 3:50 PM

Treehugger Dave

Reading these posts brings back a lot of memories when we used to get our accessory pieces or "after market parts from my mothers sewing box Smile, Wink & Grin, or we'd go to the hardware store to get plastic wood filler for doing body work and thin it with lacquer thinner to get it to spread better and the lacquer would attack the plastic and make the filler stick better, and dry faster.

HAH! That reminded me of the “lift kits” I got out of my mom’s sewing kits – SAFETY PINS! Yeah, I was building in the 60s. It seems to me I got that tip out of an issue of “Boys’ Life” magazine. I could be wrong on the source, but that seems to me to be where I picked it up. Just find the right size pins, take the wire cutters to a couple of them, and you had instant lift. Just hold them with a pair of pliers, heat them up on the stove, and press them into position. Yeah, that DOES bring back memories.

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Posted by peanutgallery on Saturday, March 18, 2017 3:56 PM

htown2

Another term tossed around is a "Day 2" car.  Usually referring to a 60's and 70's muscle car.  Idea was you brought a car home from the dealer on day one and on day two added common mods generally all bolt on such as mag wheels, wider tires, traction bars, headers, Cherry bomb mufflers, Hurst shifter, Sun tach, SW instruments ect.  Almost everybody did it.  In fact it was rare to see a car back then that was 100% stock.

 

 You are right........I couldn't wait until Day 2. I purchased my first car in 1963. It was a bone stock 1953 Chevy. I wasn't home 10 minutes before all 4 dog dish hubcaps were off the car and probably went in the trash. Next I got a 1/4" drill and drilled a hole in the dash to mount a Sun Tach Head ( it didn't work because I didn't have the sending unit).

Dennis

 

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Posted by Treehugger Dave on Saturday, March 18, 2017 7:44 PM

You're right. I loved my day 2 cars.

My fav was my new dark Hunter green with gold metallic '67 Mustang 390 High-Pro I bought myself for Christmas. Picked it up on Dec. 16th 1966 and drove to the local speed shp and ordered a set of American Torque Thrust 5 spoke mags, then drove to Firestone and ordered a set of Red-Line Wide Ovals.'That was a car to remember....fast and fun??? - oh my gosh Thumbs Up. What would we do without these memories????

 

 

 

                                     

 

 

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Posted by dimaxion on Sunday, March 19, 2017 1:53 PM

I've been accused as unreasonable foir sticking to my beliefs . Call me whatever you like . I admit to being retentive ! 

    All the wonderful descriptions of 'slightly modified vehicles' won't justify these builds qualify being as "Factory Stock , just like on the Showroom Floor" suitable for this spot in this Forum IMHO .  This categoery is the hardest to properly duplicate . Anyone is able to shake up a box and Viola = Model Car . No research or limiting the build to origianality of the prototype is used during thr process . Immaginative builds are great . I'm not knocking them . As well as Day 2 builds . < These have their place in Rods/Customs/Racing> . When I come to this site , I want to spend my time looking at Factory Stock REPLICAS . I do not want to have modified builds shoved <that are not stock> into my face . I visit other sites to see these .. NOT HERE IN FACTORY STOCK PERIOD . If the attitude I have upsets you , ignore me . If you are offended by my not making comments about your whatevers , meaning NOT FACTORY STOCK builds , in this part of the forum , ignore me as I am you .. Thanx ..    Spelling and word arrangement changed , NOT my meaning .. 

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Posted by trainwreck on Sunday, March 19, 2017 2:23 PM

The question here is the definition of " BOX STOCK" not factory stock. Seems pretty straight forward, use "only" what's in the box. That was an easy 1. Trainwreck.

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Posted by Bainford on Monday, March 20, 2017 8:40 AM

dimaxion

    All the wonderful descriptions of 'slightly modified vehicles' won't justify these builds qualify being as "Factory Stock , just like on the Showroom Floor" siutable for this spot on the forum 

Thank you for the off topic comments, but no one on this thread has ever suggested that modified cars should appear in Factory Stock.

dimaxion

  This catagoery is the hardest to properly duplicate . Anyone is able to shake up a box and Viola = Model Car . No research or limiting the build to origianality of the prototype is used during thr process .

But since you brought it up... that statement is rediculously shortsighted for anyone who has been on this forum for as long as you have. How can it be that a builder of factory stock has a need for deeper research or has greater limitations to building freedom placed upon them? As a factory stock builder, in most cases you are attempting to replicate a car which a mass manufacturer has produced several hundred to several hundred thousand examples of, and which was often offered with multiple options. However a builder of, say, a race car replica which may have only been produced as one or two examples, and a model which replicates a specific car on not only a specific day, but often a particular hour of that day (say, at the finish of a race as opposed to the start) will have at least as much difficult research to do and will have at least as many limitations placed upon them as they build their model.

The suggestion that only factory stock builders research their projects is absurd. The amount of research required on any build, even one of a non-specific car, is directly proportional to the desired degree of accuracy. In fact in factory stock, just as in any other catagory of model car building, the only limitations placed on a builder or a project are those the builder places upon themself.

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Posted by Treehugger Dave on Monday, March 20, 2017 9:31 AM

smhardesty
 
Treehugger Dave

Reading these posts brings back a lot of memories when we used to get our accessory pieces or "after market parts from my mothers sewing box Smile, Wink & Grin, or we'd go to the hardware store to get plastic wood filler for doing body work and thin it with lacquer thinner to get it to spread better and the lacquer would attack the plastic and make the filler stick better, and dry faster.

 

 

 

HAH! That reminded me of the “lift kits” I got out of my mom’s sewing kits – SAFETY PINS! Yeah, I was building in the 60s. It seems to me I got that tip out of an issue of “Boys’ Life” magazine. I could be wrong on the source, but that seems to me to be where I picked it up. Just find the right size pins, take the wire cutters to a couple of them, and you had instant lift. Just hold them with a pair of pliers, heat them up on the stove, and press them into position. Yeah, that DOES bring back memories.

 

Loved your "blast from the past" memories Steve Thumbs Up.

 

 

 

                                     

 

 

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Posted by smhardesty on Tuesday, March 21, 2017 1:53 PM

Art,

You stated very plainly something that has been lightly mentioned, or even hinted at, previously. You very specifically included BMF (or just foil) as a finishing material. That’s probably the one, single addition that I have kept running through my head as to whether it is an additional “part”, or as you said, simply a decorative “finishing” material. I tend to follow your line of thinking. I believe that BMF is probably the dividing line between decorative additions and additional “parts” like photoetch, plug wires, etc. I think that most of the other guys seem to agree, with maybe an exception or two.

Not that the definition is going to change the way I build any of my kits. I was really asking to get a clear idea of what “box stock” was so that when, and if, I post photos of a build I’ve completed I can know how to describe it. If I’ve added nothing more than paint and BMF I feel comfortable telling everyone that I built the kit, “box stock”. Then, if I have added plug wires and other engine compartment details I can say “mostly box stock” with the addition of “blah, blah, blah”.

Thanks to you, and to all the other guys, for your input on this subject. I think I have it clear in my head now. I still hold to the idea that probably 75% or more of my builds will be “box stock”. The only exceptions I can think of at this point are the cars I know I’ll build to replicate 1:1 cars from my past, either my own or belonging to a buddy. Even then the car will be built “mostly box stock” with the addition of aftermarket wheels & tires. I’m not going to even worry about whether or not the engine that came in the kit is actually the engine that was in the 1:1 car. I’ve said before that my builds will be displayed in individual cases with hoods down and there will be very few people that see them. I’m back into this hobby for myself. I don’t have to have the exact engine in a car displayed in my “man cave” to provide the memories. As long as the exterior is finished in a very similar manner to the 1:1 car it’ll bring back lots of pleasant memories.

The Camaro I intend to build to replicate my wife’s 1:1 car is a great example. She couldn’t recall what type of hubcaps were on the car. She described a bright chrome, full wheel cover to me when I was trying to get an idea of the car. Much later (and after I bought a lot of parts) she happened to find a photo of the car. It had dog dishes on it. Laugh The only thing she remembered exactly right was the color of the car. She described it and pointed to different green colors as we were trying to determine what color the car had been. When we found the photo it was absolutely dead on the color she had been describing. So other than the color, she really didn’t remember a lot about the car. To build a kit to remind her of the car she owned is really only going to need to be the correct color to give her fond memories of that car. And trust me when I say she has NO IDEA what motor was in the car.

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Posted by dimaxion on Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:37 PM

Yet , I am constantly barraged and strongarmed with NON FACTORY builds here . I resent this . Day  2  is NOT Like on the Showroom . Street and slightly modified is not Factory Stock . 

Bainford

 

 
dimaxion

    All the wonderful descriptions of 'slightly modified vehicles' won't justify these builds qualify being as "Factory Stock , just like on the Showroom Floor" siutable for this spot on the forum 

 

 

Thank you for the off topic comments, but no one on this thread has ever suggested that modified cars should appear in Factory Stock.

 

 
dimaxion

  This catagoery is the hardest to properly duplicate . Anyone is able to shake up a box and Viola = Model Car . No research or limiting the build to origianality of the prototype is used during thr process .

 

 

But since you brought it up... that statement is rediculously shortsighted for anyone who has been on this forum for as long as you have. How can it be that a builder of factory stock has a need for deeper research or has greater limitations to building freedom placed upon them? As a factory stock builder, in most cases you are attempting to replicate a car which a mass manufacturer has produced several hundred to several hundred thousand examples of, and which was often offered with multiple options. However a builder of, say, a race car replica which may have only been produced as one or two examples, and a model which replicates a specific car on not only a specific day, but often a particular hour of that day (say, at the finish of a race as opposed to the start) will have at least as much difficult research to do and will have at least as many limitations placed upon them as they build their model.

The suggestion that only factory stock builders research their projects is absurd. The amount of research required on any build, even one of a non-specific car, is directly proportional to the desired degree of accuracy. In fact in factory stock, just as in any other catagory of model car building, the only limitations placed on a builder or a project are those the builder places upon themself.

 

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Posted by trainwreck on Thursday, March 23, 2017 1:18 PM

Dimax. you still seem to be missing the point here. The question being asked in "this thread" has very little to do with factory stock. Trainwreck.

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Posted by dimaxion on Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:57 PM

Well , I guess you're right . Factory Stock is just the right place to discuss "BOX STOCK" rather than the Discussions Topics . Somehow these two unrelated topics mean the same thing . Please , where did I go wrong ?? Huh ? 

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Posted by dimaxion on Thursday, March 23, 2017 3:00 PM

Reduntant deleat Thanx ..

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Posted by Goofy62 on Thursday, March 23, 2017 3:16 PM

This whole discussion was supposed to be about "defining" what "box stock" is, not where photos should be displayed.

 

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Posted by smhardesty on Thursday, March 23, 2017 3:19 PM

dimaxion

Well , I guess you're right . Factory Stock is just the right place to discuss "BOX STOCK" rather than the Builder's Corner Topics . Somehow these two unrelated topics mean the same thing ? I think by your logic , if I want to see Factory Stock Builds , I should go to Builder's Corner . Please , where did I go wrong ?? Huh ? 

I guess I should pipe in here. If you will read the VERY FIRST post in this thread, I specifically stated, “I realize this forum is for “Factory Stock”, but figured this to be as good a place as any to ask this question.” If this had been the wrong place I would have hoped someone would have suggested to me that in the future threads like this should be in some other topic area. If this is indeed the incorrect topic area for this question, I am to blame and you can feel free to contact me direct with a PM. I’ll take no offense.

As to the actual question at hand, I specifically stated I was looking for a definition of “Box Stock”. I am well aware of what “Factory Stock” is and didn’t need any explanation of that. I was merely looking for very specific information as to what could, and could not, be done to a kit under the terms of “Box Stock”. I received several really could replies and now have a more solid understanding of what is generally accepted as “Box Stock”.

If I somehow caused problems for you in your “Factory Stock” topic area I apologize. Maybe next time you could contact me right off and let me know I’ve posted a question that isn’t suitable for the topic area. Please direct any pent up frustration at me, not any of the other guys that offered advice to me.

 

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Posted by trainwreck on Thursday, March 23, 2017 3:21 PM

Perhaps the thread could have been asked in a diff. topic but this would not change the content. I think it's an honorable thing to try and keep things factory stock in this topic so I don't think you went wrong. You maybe just got a little too heated in your commitment to keeping the topic pure. Trainwreck.

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Posted by dimaxion on Friday, March 24, 2017 2:01 PM

OK , trainwreck , yes , I did get worked up . Fact is this is quite a bone of contention to me . Look at some of the answere prior to my post . This is what stirred me up . I am troubled by the disregaurd for rules and the "me first" attitudes leveled at any criticism for this behavior . I DO admit I am retentive .  Thanx .. 

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Posted by smhardesty on Friday, March 24, 2017 2:58 PM

dimaxion

OK , trainwreck , yes , I did get worked up . Fact is this is quite a bone of contention to me . Look at some of the answere prior to my post . This is what stirred me up . I am troubled by the disregaurd for rules and the "me first" attitudes leveled at any criticism for this behavior . I DO admit I am retentive .  Thanx ..

dimaxion,

You have again chosen to ignore me and instead address the individual(s) that responded to my question. I asked you previously to direct any pent up frustration at me and also asked you to contact me direct with a PM. Allow me to try once more to address what seems to be a problem I may have created.

When originally I posted my question I waffled back and forth a few times trying to decide which topic heading I should choose. I finally decided on the “Factory Stock” heading because of one, simple fact. Any builder that takes the time and effort to ensure his finished kit fits the strict parameters of “Factory Stock” would almost certainly be capable of defining th rules for building “Box Stock”. Since a lot of kits on the market would in fact BE “Factory Stock” if built “Box Stock” I believed the members that visited this topic would be best suited to answer my question.

No one, including myself, has intended any harm or disrespect. Apparently most of the members of this forum felt that the “Box Stock” question was acceptable under the “Factory Stock” heading since there was a very robust discussion and not one other person has lodged a complaint. You stated that you were, “troubled by the disregaurd for rules and the "me first" attitudes”. There was NO disregard for rules involved, in my opinion. As for your contention that other members expressed a “me first” attitude, I humbly disagree and would say that the only real “me first” attitude has been expressed by you.

If you feel the need for further discussion on this matter, I once again invite you to direct your concerns directly to me with a PM. I will not be offended by anything you might say. Doing so will allow this thread to continue as a useful discussion as opposed to being a place for soured discontent.

 

Steve

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