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Why don't they make.....................????????
Posted by arcturus on Monday, June 28, 2004 12:36 PM
I'm fairly new to this whole community thing and have only bought a couple of back issues of Scale autos at car shows.I was wondering how do we put across to AMT etc ideas on future kits.I mean take for example,they like to make kits of popular cars like Corvettes,Camaros,Mustangs etc but what about the 59 Cadillac Coupe deville.I know theres been a 59 Elderado but alot of people prefer the C/D and its quite a popular car.It would also be nice to see seventies Lincolns and Cadillacs and also more four door cars [for cop car buffs].Unfortunatly for people like me who don't live in the states getting resin kits of hard to find cars, from your side of the pond can be hard.It took a month to ship a part for my real car from America.
Also a comment about the AMT 65 Riviera. The wire wheels are superb,especialy with white walls.Just another idea but how about AMT producing these wheels seperatly and selling them as sets of 8 or something.It would be easier than buying 20 Riviera kits.
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Posted by MojoDoctor on Monday, June 28, 2004 1:53 PM
Good question. Unfortunately, it's been asked a gazillion times with no real answer. The last time I knew of a model manufacturer answering a request was Revell's offering of the '67 Plymouth GTX.
A constant plea from the modelling community is probably the only way they will listen.

I will agree with you on the desire to have the manufacturers offer parts from kits as separate items, such as the wires wheels from the '65 Riviera.
If only.............

Matt Good judgement is the result of experience, Experience is the result of poor judgement. Mark Twain

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Posted by gratch73a on Thursday, July 1, 2004 1:57 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by MojoDoctor

Good question. Unfortunately, it's been asked a gazillion times with no real answer. The last time I knew of a model manufacturer answering a request was Revell's offering of the '67 Plymouth GTX.
A constant plea from the modelling community is probably the only way they will listen.

I will agree with you on the desire to have the manufacturers offer parts from kits as separate items, such as the wires wheels from the '65 Riviera.
If only.............


A constant plea from the modelling community is probably the only way they will listen.


I agree totally.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 3, 2004 9:36 AM
I wonder if they would really listen? It seems to me that they only listen to there bean counters, not us who matter (well I recon we all matter)
I’ve said it before and I will say it again, I will offer my services to any model company to be a liaison between builders and the decision makers!!

Very selfless act don’t you all think..............................................

Boy I look after you all.................Wink
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Posted by MojoDoctor on Saturday, July 3, 2004 11:07 AM
What a guy. Thanks for looking after us Doc. You'd throw yourself in front of a speeding train for us, wouldn't you?!

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 3, 2004 11:37 AM
You can still vote with your feet and boycott the kit company but...
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 4, 2004 9:29 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by arcturus

I'm fairly new to this whole community thing and have only bought a couple of back issues of Scale autos at car shows.I was wondering how do we put across to AMT etc ideas on future kits.I mean take for example,they like to make kits of popular cars like Corvettes,Camaros,Mustangs etc but what about the 59 Cadillac Coupe deville.I know theres been a 59 Elderado but alot of people prefer the C/D and its quite a popular car.It would also be nice to see seventies Lincolns and Cadillacs and also more four door cars [for cop car buffs].Unfortunatly for people like me who don't live in the states getting resin kits of hard to find cars, from your side of the pond can be hard.It took a month to ship a part for my real car from America.
Also a comment about the AMT 65 Riviera. The wire wheels are superb,especialy with white walls.Just another idea but how about AMT producing these wheels seperatly and selling them as sets of 8 or something.It would be easier than buying 20 Riviera kits.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 4, 2004 10:56 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by arcturus

I'm fairly new to this whole community thing and have only bought a couple of back issues of Scale autos at car shows.I was wondering how do we put across to AMT etc ideas on future kits.I mean take for example,they like to make kits of popular cars like Corvettes,Camaros,Mustangs etc but what about the 59 Cadillac Coupe deville.I know theres been a 59 Elderado but alot of people prefer the C/D and its quite a popular car.It would also be nice to see seventies Lincolns and Cadillacs and also more four door cars [for cop car buffs].Unfortunatly for people like me who don't live in the states getting resin kits of hard to find cars, from your side of the pond can be hard.It took a month to ship a part for my real car from America.
Also a comment about the AMT 65 Riviera. The wire wheels are superb,especialy with white walls.Just another idea but how about AMT producing these wheels seperatly and selling them as sets of 8 or something.It would be easier than buying 20 Riviera kits.


Doing a 59 Cadillac Coupe DeVille (in the Cadillac Series 60) is as easy as removing the Eldorado side trim, and adding the simpler single side trim spear, and the appropriate scripting, also sanding the roof smooth, to get rid of the Eldorado optional vinyl top, which all but a handful of Eldo's came with. Oh yes, I know that the rear grille of a Series 60 is a bit different, but some kitbashing would work here, along with adding the heavy chrome band at the rear edge of the trunklid. So, why the Eldorado Seville HT as opposed to the far more plentiful Series 60 Coupe DeVille?

That answer is fairly simple: With a subject such as the '59 Cadillac, I think it made perfect sense for Revell-Monogram to do the most-desired car (in real life, as well as perhaps the model), which was the Eldo. Of all '59 Caddies, the Eldorado was then the epitome, the one most would have bought, if they'd either had the money, or had been willing to part with. In short, to most people today, the Eldorado is THE quintiscential '59 Cadillac, everything is is.........just another Cadillac. Oh, and BTW, there would need to be some retrim of the interior, primarily the seats, in order to get a correct Series 60. This is where references come in. I believe there are reference pictures out there on the web, if not, then dealer brochures, or a book on Cadillacs, or magazine articles.

As for the Riviera wire wheels, yes those are pretty nice, ranking among the very best injection-molded wire wheels ever offered in a model kit. However, to "separate" such parts from the tooling of a model car kit is not just a simple task. Most generally, particularly with a model kit tooled 40 years ago, the tooling for individual parts cannot, and I repeat CANNOT be separated out. They are cut into blocks of steel that are approximately 24" by 48", weighing (both halves of the mold) about 1000 lbs or more.
Also, industry experience has shown, over all these years, that "parts packages" of things such as wheels simply do not generate the kind of revenue for the manufacturers that would justify their continued development or production. Think of it: The cost, in terms of mold-press time, labor, packaging, for a small package of parts is the same, or very nearly so, as the production of a complete kit. And, experience has also shown that parts packs simply do not sell well out there on retail shelves. If the case were otherwise, we'd have seen a steady stream of parts packs ever since Revell first sent theirs out of the factory way back in 1962-64. They did not work then, and didn't in the late 70's when Revell tried them again, nor did they work at all when Revell did an SSP reissue of their engine parts packs about 5 or 6 years ago. Serious builders bought up some, but the much larger, more casual market simply ignored them

Sorry to rain on anyone's parade, but that is the way I see it.

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Posted by roadhawg on Sunday, July 4, 2004 11:23 AM
heck, nevermind the 59s, I would like to see some LATE model caddies!!Big Smile

I went to a "gentleman's club" because the sign said they had all the hottest models. I thought it was a hobby shop. Man, was I ever disappointed.

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Posted by bill mathewson on Sunday, July 4, 2004 4:16 PM
Like a 2000-2004 Deville DTS and a 2004 XLR. Also, I'd really like to see a '57 Coupe De Ville done.
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Posted by roadhawg on Sunday, July 4, 2004 10:02 PM
looked at a real XLR last night.....only $76,000. But the problem is im only short about $75,900.

I went to a "gentleman's club" because the sign said they had all the hottest models. I thought it was a hobby shop. Man, was I ever disappointed.

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Posted by arcturus on Monday, July 5, 2004 12:48 PM
you know your stuff biscuitbuilder.I have actually tried to turn the 59 Elderado conv into a Coupe Deville and its harder than you think.Shaving the trim so its completely smooth renders the body dangerously thin around the bottom.I thought Id mastered it and when I sprayed it and the light caught it at a bad angle I noticed an unsightly sink line going all the way along the bottom where the top of the trim used to be.I didnt notice it when it was sanded down.Personally I prefer the 59 C/D than the Elderado.The Elderados trim seems to over the top.
There is one other difference between the two.The wheeltrims......
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Posted by lacquerjack on Tuesday, July 6, 2004 3:06 AM
The wheel set would be a great one, those Skylark wires are gorgeous. They are also in the AMT Silhouette Prestige kit. Buscuitbuilder 1 is right. The cost would be much more than what they would get back. AMT has been on a very short budget since Racing Champions took over control, which is why we don't see much in the way of new kits coming out; but at least they are repairing some of the old molds and reissuing many of the cars that had gotten outrageous in price for the originals.
Personally, I'd like to see a well done 1/25th '56 or '57 Mark 2 Continental. R/M, are you listening?Big SmileBig Smile
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Posted by bill mathewson on Tuesday, July 6, 2004 9:26 AM
a Mk 2 Continental would be sweet. Only one I've ever seen was an old late '50s era 1/32 scale multi-piece Revell model. Also, Lindberg could do a '52-'54 Merc real easy w/ its '53 Vicky tool, and then we'd be half way to a '55 Lincoln.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 11, 2004 2:16 AM
I realise it will never happen, not enough world interest.
But why not a couple of Aussie cars, XD Falcon, XY GTHO Phase lll Falcon (OOOOOH how Id love that) Early Monaro's, Valiant Charger something like that???
I’m sick of paying $70 bucks for a resin abomination, I WAN STYRENE!
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 11, 2004 3:02 AM
well, after the crap i went through tonite, with the amt duster street machine that has a faux-10, (check my post in muscle cars for the full rant), im going on a personal boycott of amt. now, im gonna finish the ones i already have and still use their parts from my parts box, but im not buying a new amt kit (until they either come out with something totally cool or i just get bored and want an amt kit) call me childish or whatever.


-ok, update on the boycott, its over, just realized im gonna need to kitbash the full detail V-10 from the viper rt/10 kit. still mad though. ( be sure to check the original post time against the edit time, then you'll get the joke.)
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Posted by GPERZERK on Sunday, August 29, 2004 11:27 PM
Banged Head where are all the other ford cars between 1923 -1930 ? I can't seem to find any. Mostly 1926. Does anyone put out a resin kit in these years?
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Posted by arcturus on Monday, October 4, 2004 3:16 PM
Who thinks it would be great if some open minded die-cast companies went into the plastic kit market.Companies like Mat-ying who have already decided to push the boat out and invested some time and money into making something different like the 71 riviera,59 electra and 59 mercury conv.Imagine what they would build in plastic?????
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 4, 2004 4:14 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by bill mathewson

a Mk 2 Continental would be sweet. Only one I've ever seen was an old late '50s era 1/32 scale multi-piece Revell model. Also, Lindberg could do a '52-'54 Merc real easy w/ its '53 Vicky tool, and then we'd be half way to a '55 Lincoln.


Bill-
There are at least 2 Continental Mk II kits in resin. One is a repop of an old 1/20 kit. I don't have any info on that one. The other is a 1/24 by F&F Resin Casting. With the passing of Ed Fluck, it is no longer available but that could change. I have one of these kits.....well..most of one, anyway. The complete kit is 125 bucks. That was a bit expensive for me so they agreed to sell me the body + bumpers and dash board. I'm glad I didn't spring for the whole kit. The car looks good, but it should be thought of as a starting point for a Mk II. The wheel openings don't match up from side to side. The trunk lid is longer one one side than the other. The A-pillars are way too thick and bowed outward rather than thin and straight. I would rather come up with replacements for the pieces I didn't get than to massage them into looking stock. Besides, I bought mine to make a replica of Larry Meador's mild custom.

As for "Why don't they make....?" I hate to say it, but we "hardcore" modelers are sort of the lunatic fringe of the model buying public. It would be great if we could say "Build this and we'll buy it". Unfortunately, after "we" buy ours, everyone else just lets it sit on the shelf. Revell/Monogram got stung on the 1965 Chevelle Z-16. It was a flop. The model companies have to make something that grabs the attention of 16-year olds cruising through the toy section at Wal-Mart. That ain't 40 year-old muscle cars. More and more, it's Toyota Supras and Mitsubishi Eclipses. We don't have to like it, we just have to live with it.

I also have a looong list of cars I'd like to see in styrene. Just a few are:

'56 Continental Mk II
'57 Cadillac Eldorado
Pininfarina Ferrari 512S Showcar (Fat chance!)
Lola T-70 coupe (someone tooled up the boring roadster? what were they thinking??)
more Duesenbergs
Delahayes with coachwork by Figoni & Falaschi
1961 Ferrari 156 F1(this seems like a natural for Tamiya)
'57 Ferrari Testarossa
'50 Buick Roadmaster with detailed straight 8
'57 Buick Century
Ferrari 550 or 575 Maranello Gee, there must be 20 different resin kits of road racing 550s but no street version. ARGH!!!!)

Here's the Pininfarina 512S:


WOW!!!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 5, 2004 11:59 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by arcturus

you know your stuff biscuitbuilder.I have actually tried to turn the 59 Elderado conv into a Coupe Deville and its harder than you think.Shaving the trim so its completely smooth renders the body dangerously thin around the bottom.I thought Id mastered it and when I sprayed it and the light caught it at a bad angle I noticed an unsightly sink line going all the way along the bottom where the top of the trim used to be.I didnt notice it when it was sanded down.Personally I prefer the 59 C/D than the Elderado.The Elderados trim seems to over the top.
There is one other difference between the two.The wheeltrims......


Not at all harder than I think! I've done it, so I know it works. The trick there is to get rid of the edge of that trim where it meets the body sheet metal surface, and then let a thin skim of putty do the rest--it might not be micrometer perfect, but we'd be talking about less than .01" or so. As for the rest of the Eldorado trim, the vinyl roof detail on the Seville HT is easily smoothed down with sanding, and again, just a thin skim of putty will do it.

As for wheel covers--the Eldorado came standard-equipped with those cast aluminum brake drums and the wide-five chrome rim you see in the Revell kits--those were optional on any Cadillac save for the Series 75 Sedan Limousine. But, if it's the "sombrero" wheel covers you want, look no farther than the Polar Lights Ecto-1, it has them.

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Posted by arcturus on Wednesday, October 6, 2004 2:47 PM
Biscuit,thats all very well if you've experience with model putty.The models I build are usually stock with the odd mild custom like custom wheels and slightly lowered suspension.Ive very rarely used putty and when I have Ive bodged the job
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Posted by yugster on Wednesday, October 6, 2004 11:41 PM
1/16 pro mod cars, 1/16 fuel altereds, 1/16 pro stock
1/24 pro mod cars, up to date mopar pro stocker, parts box's of top fuel engines, tires etc. Sick of importing 12 of each kit to oz for only parts
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 7, 2004 2:29 AM
Gperzerk, YGM< Ben
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Posted by mangodart on Thursday, October 7, 2004 12:32 PM
My wishing list for "future models" is too long to put it here but a nice detailed 1960 Chrysler 300 or a 70 Fury GT.....
Anyway as somebody tells in this topic, they only look at what could be a good seller for them an unfortunatly, it seems to be the Japanese cars and the tuning / low-rider movement, AMT doesn't offer new kits anymore, just some ( interesting ) reissue and R/M is very poor on US iron stuff. So maybe it is time to build all that kits we have in stock and stop buying some stuff ( I still haven't build some excellent "new" kits from the 90ies like the 59 or 60 Chevy Impala........). The kit I was hoping to see in styrene was the 58 Plymouth and I was granted so....EvilEvilEvil

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