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The Duel Truck - 1955 Peterbilt 351/281 Finished/Fruehauf Tanker WIP

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The Duel Truck - 1955 Peterbilt 351/281 Finished/Fruehauf Tanker WIP
Posted by MillerMeteor on Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:35 AM

The Duel Truck

 Thought I`d try and make the Duel truck. Anyone here ever done that before? Thought I`d start with the 1948 Fruehauf tank trailer, since the 351/281 hood is hard to find! That way I can use the trailer even if I dont build the tractor Big Smile Just started making the main tank, and will go from there. Pics is around the corner. Any comments, tips and tricks please post them!

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Posted by MillerMeteor on Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:27 PM

Ok, here`s the tank so far, this was a days work in itself Dead It`s rough now, but with a little filler and sanding I think it`s gonna be fine. It seems I made the tank too round, but I am NOT taking it apart to correct that now! Banged Head Think it will still look OK when it`s done. Gonna take the dolly off an AMT Fruehauf tanker truck and make the rear suspension and will also use some of the other tank stuff from that kit. This is after all a trailer, so we`ll see how detailed I wanna get. I have no idea how the framework on this thing is in real life though, so it will all be guesswork for me.

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Posted by MillerMeteor on Monday, November 10, 2008 6:15 PM

I just fell in love with scratchbuilding Big Smile This is the first model I`ve ever scratchbuilt and I think it looks pretty cool so far. It`s made to be 33 scale feet which is what the real trailer was. Also, in the last post I said I thought the tank looked to round, now I think it looks fine! Apparently you cant judge something before you see the overall picture Confused As far as I can see, the only thing that can come back and bite me in the rear end is that I forgot to measire the width of the tractor truck (didnt have one finished to measure) so I only measured it with a KW sleeper. So we`ll just see, but I think I`m not too far off anyway. Oh well, here is my work so far.

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Posted by MillerMeteor on Monday, November 10, 2008 6:18 PM

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Posted by HELL_ON_WHEELS on Monday, November 10, 2008 11:34 PM

WOW great job so far

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Posted by Fordtruckguy on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 11:05 AM

I can't wait to see it when its done. "Duel" is one of my favorite movies. 

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Posted by MillerMeteor on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:06 PM

Thanks for the thumbs up guys Big Smile

 Now I have a question though! What is really the base color of this trailer and truck? Some have said red, some have said brown, some have said redbrown, and some have even said bronze! So I have no idea what to go for, especially since I myself is colorblind Cool So what do you say guys? What would be right? Wont paint it for a while yet, so you have some time lol!

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Posted by Cycolac Fan on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:24 PM

 Hi Stian

Is this going to be part of your TV/Movie cars CBP? Wink

I was going to suggest you find an old IMC milk tanker kit to this coversion but I think you're so far ahead with the scratchbuilding you're better off carrying on like you are - it's looking great!

As for colour... well, no one can ever agree, I always think dirty/rusty bronze wth a lot of black staining but there's bits of primer in there too.

One thing to be aware of when watching the film is that they used three seperate Peterbilts so don't be too surprised if parts and colours change throughout.

There are a number of websites full of info and pics but pick up the DVD for the best reference images.

There have been features on a model version of the Duel truck featured in the British magazines: Truck Model World and Scale Auto Modeller (not to be confused with Scale Auto / Scale Auto Enthusiast), sadly I don't have either issue to hand but someone may be able to help... 

I'll be watching this with interest if you get as far as the cab as I want to backdate my Peterbilt 359 to a 1950's era 351 so hope you get round to it.

Bets of luck!
Mike

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Posted by MillerMeteor on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:42 PM

Hi Mike,

 

Glad to see you`re interested!

 Actually, I never thought of joining the Movie Car CBP with this one, but I definately will!

And as for the IMC milk tanker, I looked at that one too, but figured that the only thing I could realy use would be the tank itself, and had to scratchbuild so much that I might as well make it an entire scratchbuild. The tank itself that I scratchbuilt looks kinda dented as it was impossible for me to get it completely straight, but I dont think that matters since it`s supposed to be an old, crappy truck lol!

I can agree with you on the color though. Think I will atleast use brown and bronze and try to mix the colors, and then just add primer where I need to. As for the 3 trucks, I have managed to separate those and know which ones were used where in the movie. I actually find only 2, which was the original one and the one used later in the bus and rail crossing scenes. The one they call the 'last Surviving Duel Truck' I havent seen actually (the one used in the first pic here). So I`m going for the original one, thats the one my wheel arches are made to match, and also the sides of the tank. I have the DVD though, but like I said, that doesnt do me much good as I`m colorblind Big Smile

I also need to convert a 359 to a 351, cos I`m NOT spending over $100 on a resin kit! So I think I will just take the 359 hood and cut out the 'trim' running down the middle and add a fitting piece to make it narrower in the front. The grille shouldnt be a problem either, just cut it out and add a horisontal grille. As for the fenders, all one need to do is add a piece to the inside of it to make it match the converted hood, and the front bumper must be modified as it`s not as high as the 359`s bumper. Think it should be an easy build, but I know I have said that to muself before and ended up cussing up a storm lol!

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Posted by plastictrucker on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 3:24 PM
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Posted by MillerMeteor on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:00 PM

1: Thanks plastictrucker!

2: Dangit! Now mine`s gonna look crappy compared to that one lol! I feel like starting over.... But I wont.... BUT will try to use some of the tips and tricks!

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Posted by MillerMeteor on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:07 PM

Ok, todays mission: the underside! Maybe the most boring part, cos it will never be seen! But nevertheless, it`s gotta be done SoapBox ! I havent gotten around to start with the filler and sanding yet, I kinda wanna get the main construction ready first. Besides, there`s more outside work remaining too so, but hey, you gotta get the underside done too sooner or later. So today I started out by doing the cabinets frames on voth sides (in lack of a better word Big Smile, and also did the front underside of the tank. Like I said, I hate closeups, they reveal every little flaw there is, but I`m hoping some filler and a few feet of sandpaper will change all that. Also, I have no idea how the underside of these tankers really was, so I`m using a lot of common sense, guesswork, and the few shots that was of the underside in the movie. Havent gotten around to the mounting of the rear wheel suspension yet, but I did put together the rear suspension of an AMT Fruehauf tanker, so will be using that eventually. Only problem is, to make the wheels fit correctly in the wheelarches I gotta extend them about 1/8''-1/4''.. So, here`s what I`ve done today.

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Posted by chevytruckpuller1987 on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:56 PM

That is really, really awesome! Looks very accurate when compared to the 1:1. How about some instructions and dimensions on that trailer!?!?

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Posted by MillerMeteor on Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:04 AM

Hi chevytruckpuller!

 Thanks for the kind words! I hate to brag, but I`m pretty happy with it myself so far Blush

 

As for dimensions, here are some that I have so far:

 Length: 15 1/8'' (should work out to about 33 feet on the 1:1 scale trailer, which is what I have read the real trailer was)

Width: 4'' (which I hope is wide enough as I forgot to measure! Censored )

Height: 4 5/8'' (from the bottom of the wheels to top of tank)

Width of main tank only: 3 5/8''

Sheets of styrene used so far: I dont dare to count

Inside width of the cabinets on each side: 1 1/4''

Inside length of the cabinets: Right side: 3 5/8'', Left side: 5''

Now, for the following dimensions, use the bad drawing on the bottom for reference!

Length of 'sheet side' (Marked 1): Right side: 8 1/4'' Left side: 9 5/8''

Height of 'sheet side' (Marked 2): 2 1/8''

Height of 'sheet side' to the front end (Marked 3): 1/2''

Length of wheel arch (Marked 4): 3 5/8'' (I might have to extend it a bit to make it fit the AMT Fruehauf rear suspension)

Hight of wheel arch (Marked 5): 1 1/16''

 

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Posted by MillerMeteor on Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:40 PM

Ok, I got a crazy idea today.... Do you guys remember when the truck went over the cliff? Well of course you do, that was the climax of the movie! Now, if you watch reeal closely as the trailer goes over the side, you`ll see that the front axle is all the way up in the wheelarch and the rear axle is all the way down. And the same when the truck lays as a wreck on the bottom of the ravine, you see the left side of the trailer and one wheel is all the way up in the wheelarch and one is all the way down, and judging from the position of the wheels, I think the wheels was opposite on the other side, I mean, where you see the wheel up in the wheelarch, it was probably down onthe other side and vice verca. Now, I`m not gonna throw my model off a cliff or anything, but I want my trailer to be able to do the same thing, so thought I`d try to make an independent, working suspension for it, that still looks fairly realistic Big Smile Any thoughts? I`ve already started, well, I have gotten so far that I`ve made it work Tongue I just gotta fine tune it!

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Posted by Chuck Norris Ninja on Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:01 PM
WOW this is so cool! how do you et all of the curvatures in the plastic?
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Posted by Cycolac Fan on Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:07 PM

 For your first ever effort at scratchbuilding I think that's looking amazing.

Keep up the great work!

Mike

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Posted by MillerMeteor on Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:36 PM

What the &%¤# Cycolac Fan, are you saying it sucks, but cos it`s my first time thats ok????? Lol, just kidding! Thanks for the kind words, I`m glad people seem to be interested in this one, makes it even more fun for me to build Smile

 Chuck Norris Ninja (cool nick btw, remind me to never pick a fight with you Big Smile ), thanks for the thumbs up! To make the main tankI used the thinnest sheet styrene I had (probably .010'') and curved them around a long drink glass till I got the shape I wanted! Nostrovia Make a Toast ! This kind of sheet styrene is really easily shapeable like that, and you can bend it really far before it cracks. I then glued it on to a frame of bulkheads I had made. The bulkheads are the same shape as the tank, but I still like to preshape the sheet styrene to make sure it holds it shape after it`s glued together, and also to put less strain on the glue. The one on the underside where the round part goes from narrow to wide was shaped on a cone shaped bowl.

No I have a question again though. I have to shape the rear end of the tank, which is round in every possible way. I am pretty clueless on how I`m gonna be able to shape this one.... ANyone got any good ideas? My only good idea is to make it in three pieces and then ise filler and sandpaper to give it the final shape.

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Posted by chevytruckpuller1987 on Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:35 PM

Once again, very nice scratchbuilding. I have a suggestion for the back of the tank. You could get a sandbag (or something somewhat soft) and then maybe very gradually curve the plastic. The sandbag would be used to help with the shape (so you arent trying to curve it on a hard surface) Once you have most of the shape i would glue it on and then use some sandpaper to finish off with the shaping. Like i said, this is just a suggestion, who knows if it would really work!

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Posted by cargostar on Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:31 PM

Nice job so far!1 For the rear of the tank, how about making a "form" of the outside shape of the trailer, say, 1" tall. Then lay a piece of .010" plastic over top of the form, and then gently heat the plasic with a heat gun, and allow it to soften and "droop" naturally by gravity. Kinda like vacuumforming without the vacuum.My 2 cents

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Posted by MillerMeteor on Friday, November 14, 2008 6:31 AM

cargostar, I think I like that idea, it might work as long as I`m careful with the heat! Now all I gotta do is borrow a heat gun.... I will try this one though!

chevytruckpuller1987, I already tried just shaping the plastic.... Works well for a curve, but impossible to bend when you want a round shape lol!

Thanks for the suggestions though, anyone else have some ideas just join in, and I`ll try em all and use the one that works the best.... Thanks again for the Thumbs Up

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Posted by LongHaulTrukrPaul on Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:42 AM

Nice looking build.  I've been toying with some trailer ideas myself, so I have an added interest in your work.  It looks pretty clean.  Good work. 

I've been loosing my marbles looking for this build.  It seems to come up whenever I search for any type of trailer build...but of ourse...when you're looking for it...

http://www.twists-truckstop.de/bauberichte/duell_truck/duelltrailer.htm

It's in german...but a translator program should have you hooked up.

As far as the color, I think a number of Cali Petes were a deep utilitarian green.  With dark green or black fenders(?)  As long as truck and trailer were matching at one time...that might be a good starting base for you to work with and weather from there.  Bear in mind, that it's not just rust...it's been sandblasted from from running the desert as well. 

And for the working suspension...you probably just need a pivot between the 2 axles to add to the illusion that the springs are flexing.  I haven't tried it...yet.  Probably on my next rig...but I've seen at least one forum here where a working suspension was built.  Interested to see what you come up with.

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Posted by MillerMeteor on Saturday, November 15, 2008 8:28 AM

So far I have seen 3 different models built of this trailer, and the builders seem to have done things differently all the way. And the one I like best so far is.... well.... mine Tongue I`m not saying mine is better or anything, just that different people have different eyes for detail, and I think so far there have been a few things bugging me with the 3 previous models I have seen.... Just little things, the wheelarches, length of the cabinets, roundness of the front of the tank etc. Oh well, mine might suck when I`m done so I`ll get off the soap box now lol SoapBox

As for color, I was thinking the same, maybe a dark color with different colored fenders (atleast it looks that way in the movie) and just use the same color for the trailer. I have no idea how I`m gonna go about with the weathering yet though, one thing at the time Tongue But I can see some heavy washes and a lot of drybrushing in my future!

The suspension is done in my head, I just gotta make it lol! But what works in my head have a weird way of not working in real life, so we`ll see Big Smile

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Posted by MillerMeteor on Saturday, November 15, 2008 8:45 AM

Oh yeah, and here`s just a slight mockup I did for my own satisfaction Big Smile

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Posted by LongHaulTrukrPaul on Saturday, November 15, 2008 9:29 AM

 love your build.  Enjoy watching the processes.

One quick note about that german build - he says he used a Revell Beall tanker kit for the rear trailer elipse.  Don't even know tif that kits around or what, but you might be able to use that or mold some thin styrene over it.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 15, 2008 9:52 AM

Stian,

As shallow as the curvature of the rear  end of that tank is, why not just use some catalyzed putty over a reasonably thick, heavy piece of sheet styrene, to get that contour?  It won't take long, and being catalyzed putty, it will be far more stable over time, certainly while you are working on the project, than the thin sheet styrene heat formed, as some have suggested.

As for the original color before the studio art department did their "weathering" on the movie truck, I would bet that it was red to start with, and simply oversprayed with thinned brownish and blackish washes to get the rather unrealistic weathering.  Pretty much the way most modelers would do that sort of thing, only on a 1:1 scale.

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Posted by MillerMeteor on Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:39 PM

Good news!!!! I got worried aftter starting this build that it wouldnt be wide enough, since everyone else who modeled the trailer modeled it 4 1/4'' wide.... I just talked to an old buddo of mine who used to be a trucker back in the good old days when these trucks ruled the roads, and he said that these trailers was 96 inches wide.... Now, my trailer just happens to be 3 3/4'' wide, and it`s 1/25 scale.... Do the math Big Smile WOHO!

Thanks for the tips on the rear end of the tank guys, I`m on it now, will post pics later. Think I chose a lengthy, but safe way to get the curve right.

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Posted by MillerMeteor on Saturday, November 15, 2008 8:01 PM

Ok, rear end of the tank is made. I still have to sand it and use some filler to make it look good, and I have to sand the edges to make it 'rounder', but thats the main shape anyway. Took me the whole day to make, but worth it! The rear end of the tank and the rear bumper is just temporary fitted and for the pics only.

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* Scratchbuilt Peterbilt 351 (finished)/Fruehauf tanker - The Duel Truck

* 1977 Pontiac Ventura 'Cannonball Run 2011' CBP Entry

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Posted by MillerMeteor on Friday, November 21, 2008 8:49 AM

Sorry for the delay in updates here folks, been a lot going on here lately, will be at it again shortly!

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Posted by Chuck Norris Ninja on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:48 PM
i just saw the movie DUEL this weekend..............you are building this pretty accurate! i wonder where i can get me one of those old peterbilt tractors!
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