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Garbage Truck Kits ??
Posted by Stretch5 on Saturday, April 12, 2008 3:28 PM
Hi All,

Was at the NNL East model show earlier today and saw an awesome build of a garbage truck. Unfortunately the modeler did not list many details on the kit he used. It just said 79 Paystar. I believe I have seen this kit somewhere and the box art depicted a green and yellow truck.

Does anyone know more about this particular kit and where I might be able to buy one? I did some google searches with no luck......

Thanks
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Posted by Viper93 on Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:52 PM
Stretch5,

Are you thinking the 1/24th scale garbage truck that Tom Daniels did back in 1968?
http://www.tomdaniel.com/85_kits/frm_85kits.html
Click the garbage truck link on the left side of the screen to take you to the pic. This was put out by Monogram several times over the years. It is the only garbage truck kit that I am aware of in 1/24-1/25th scale unless the person scratchbuilt it.
AMT/ERTL had planned on doing a Garbage truck of their ownbut it never came to be.
Here is the story:

Ghost Kit

Not all scheduled releases came off without a hitch; some never saw the light of day. One kit in particular, the proposed Garwood Industries Refuse truck (5601), was derailed in its final stages by an unusual sequence of circumstances. After reference photos were taken by copywriter Dave Wilder, the model shop began constructing the standard 1/10 scale prototype from wood. Most of the new parts were large flat sections. The chassis and cab would come from the existing Ford C-600 kit. The only thing needed was the large "refuse bin". "That’s when AMT had one of their many strikes. The women that packed the boxes were part of the UAW and the modelers were also UAW - so if the women went out, they had to go out too." These wood sections were left on their benches when the modelers departed. "They figured ’well it’s flat...it’s gonna stay flat.’" In the mean time, the art department continued their work, producing the decals and box artwork. "Well...when they came back they had this horrible surprise." The model shop was not climate controlled during the strike and the wooden parts warped well beyond reasonable repair or replacement cost. Seeing a losing proposition, AMT decided to cancel the project.

Its really a shame that this kit was never produced. Hope this info helps you out.!

Chad R.

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Posted by Bantyacidjazz on Sunday, April 13, 2008 12:12 PM
I was there at the NNL East show also - I think you mean these:

http://public.fotki.com/HVHMG/other_club_model_shows/2008-shows-1/nnl-east-2008/img0164.html

The weathered one to the fore used the AMT/Ertl Paystar 5000 kit. I heard the rest of it was scratchbuilt.
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Posted by Stretch5 on Sunday, April 13, 2008 12:15 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Bantyacidjazz

I was there at the NNL East show also - I think you mean these:

http://public.fotki.com/HVHMG/other_club_model_shows/2008-shows-1/nnl-east-2008/img0164.html

The weathered one to the fore used the AMT/Ertl Paystar 5000 kit. I heard the rest of it was scratchbuilt.


The weathered truck is the one I am referring to.......

Thanks
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Posted by Viper93 on Sunday, April 13, 2008 5:11 PM
The back half of that Paystar garbage truck definately looks to be scratchbuilt. Would not be that hard to make one. Just need to find some good reference photos on the web or even look around town where you live and photograph the real truck unless of course the city that you live in has the side load trash trucks like what are in my town.
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Posted by Cycolac Fan on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 2:25 PM
Impressive looking builds though, I like that B61. The bodies look to be the same on both so I'm guessing the same builder scratchbuilt them both?

As Viper says it would be straightforward enough to scratchbuild something along those lines using plasticard - just as case of breaking it down into easy to build components and adding whatever detail you want.
Mike

Mike "Good hands, bad taste in cars." Yes I'm a grown up 'playing' with toys but a lot of adults my age drink beer or play computer games - and I've got something to show for the time and money I've spent...
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Posted by Cycolac Fan on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 2:26 PM
Impressive looking builds though, I like that B61. The bodies look to be the same on both so I'm guessing the same builder scratchbuilt them both?

As Viper says it would be straightforward enough to scratchbuild something along those lines using plasticard - just as case of breaking it down into easy to build components and adding whatever detail you want.
Mike

Mike "Good hands, bad taste in cars." Yes I'm a grown up 'playing' with toys but a lot of adults my age drink beer or play computer games - and I've got something to show for the time and money I've spent...
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Posted by Bantyacidjazz on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:21 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Cycolac Fan

Impressive looking builds though, I like that B61. The bodies look to be the same on both so I'm guessing the same builder scratchbuilt them both?

As Viper says it would be straightforward enough to scratchbuild something along those lines using plasticard - just as case of breaking it down into easy to build components and adding whatever detail you want.
Mike




I'm sorry I don't recall the name of the builder, but I do recall that they were the same builder.

Very nice models - I looked at them a long time and discussed them with one of the truck modellers in my club.
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Posted by Tim Boyd on Wednesday, April 03, 2019 7:16 PM

Viper93
Stretch5,

ml

AMT/ERTL had planned on doing a Garbage truck of their ownbut it never came to be.
Here is the story:

Ghost Kit

Not all scheduled releases came off without a hitch; some never saw the light of day. One kit in particular, the proposed Garwood Industries Refuse truck (5601), was derailed in its final stages by an unusual sequence of circumstances. After reference photos were taken by copywriter Dave Wilder, the model shop began constructing the standard 1/10 scale prototype from wood. Most of the new parts were large flat sections. The chassis and cab would come from the existing Ford C-600 kit. The only thing needed was the large "refuse bin". "That’s when AMT had one of their many strikes. The women that packed the boxes were part of the UAW and the modelers were also UAW - so if the women went out, they had to go out too." These wood sections were left on their benches when the modelers departed. "They figured ’well it’s flat...it’s gonna stay flat.’" In the mean time, the art department continued their work, producing the decals and box artwork. "Well...when they came back they had this horrible surprise." The model shop was not climate controlled during the strike and the wooden parts warped well beyond reasonable repair or replacement cost. Seeing a losing proposition, AMT decided to cancel the project.

Its really a shame that this kit was never produced. Hope this info helps you out.!

Chad R.
 

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I am resurfacing this topic because it turns out that the above explanation on why the AMT Gar Wood Refuse Hauler was cancelled is entirely wrong. 

I am posting this response on behalf of Tim Rice, who was part of AMT's Model Shop team during this time period, and eventually went on to become the Supervisor of AMT's Model Shop during the AMT-Lesney era.  (Tim attempted to respond to this post last fall (4th quarter 2018) but was unable to login for some reason.)  

I have also confirmed this new information with another well-respected member of AMT's team who also worked there at the time.  

While there was indeed a strike at AMT during this period, the Model Shop team was well experienced to deal with any warpage issues that might or might not have occured during this or any other project development period.  Warpage, had it occured, was easily fixable by the Model Shop team and would not have derailed a new kit project.    

Bottom line, the Gar Wood Refuse Hauler 1/10th scale wood masters were not irreparably damaged during the strike, nor would the Model Shop team have allowed irreparable damage to occur.  Apparently, the above story was circulated to "justify" the cancellation (I heard a similar version myself back in the day), but turns out it was entirely a "red herring" as they say. 

The actual explanation is that negotiations were already underway for Matchbox/Lesney to acquire AMT Corporation in early-mid 1978 when this kit was in development, and the U.K. based potential new owners simply were not interested in investing their resources in a Garbage Truck model kit. 

The Lesney/AMT acquisition was completed later in 1978, and this is the actual explanation for why the kit was never brought to market.  

Having said that, there is more to this story....be watching the Scale Auto web site for more details on this subject in the near future. 

TIM BOYD 

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