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Posted by 70 mist green on Wednesday, January 09, 2019 12:06 PM

Art

I gues not everyone appreciates how much time and work goes into making  a new mold and offering a new kit to the market 

it is a ton a ton of worK! From the conversation we had at our club meeting last year I have a better understanding of what it takes 

from one modler to another I thank you 

im always grateful  and happy to see new kits offered 

thank you again 

tim 

 

 

 

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Posted by gulftarpon on Thursday, November 22, 2018 12:11 PM

I'm looking forward to this one! I also wonder if the step bed will find its way into the '67-'72 kit?

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Posted by rebel70 on Thursday, November 22, 2018 2:25 AM

Here is My Reply, Being a Model Builder for Over 40 Years,I Myself Really Dont Care if the Truck is 100% Accurate,I'm Just Glad some Model Companies are taking the tim to Invest Time And Resources To Make a New Kit, believe me being in the automotive so subjects re sought after and we will take what we can get and if not happy we will correct ourselves being modelers

 

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Posted by Plowboy on Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:26 AM

Saw a buildup of the '66 styleside on another board and just as I expected, it's on the same wrong chassis as the previous F-100s. While the '65-'72s shared the same chassis, the Moebius chassis is a '73 up (copied from the old AMT F-350) that has a different design. Especially with the front suspension. Same inaccurate rearend.

It has one the worst looking dual exhausts that I've ever seen on a kit. They have it sandwiched between the cross members and floorpan and against both sides of the transmission. It should have a single exhaust with a crossover pipe routed under the cross members and exit on the passenger side.

The floorpan actually looks pretty good and is much closer to the bottom of the cab than the previous F-100s. The underhood detail is much better and fairly accurate. The engine is a disaster. Looks like a Lego piece.

The roof doesn't look as tall as the one in this thread. The brow above the windshield also looks better. The  rear of the roof is way off with far too much crown.

The front fender bulges are off along with the wheel openings. Too rounded. The leading edge of the front fenders looks to be too vertical and the grille is flat looking at the bottom. The headlight surrounds are better proportioned with the headlights. 

That's what I noticed in the photos I saw. As much as I would like to build a '65 and/or a '66 F-100, there's just too many issues for me to attempt to fix. Some of  the fixes would be fairly simple. Some would be difficult like the rear of the roof. They are better than the previous F-100s that Moebius produced. But, that's not a big leap. 

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Posted by Chuck Kourouklis on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 10:24 AM

Oh, I see.  Well if there's anything more to your assumptions than baseless speculation, surely you can point to a specific incident of someone telling you you can't like the kit.

Why don't you show us one, Lee.

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Posted by midnightprowler on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 3:59 AM

That's not good enough for them Art. If it isn't right to them it's not right for anyone, and you didn't do your job. Nonetheless, I like it.

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Posted by Arthur Anderson on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 1:28 AM

Plowboy

I hope this is a very early test shot. The entire green house looks wrong. 

Uh, I spent a full day with Dave Metzner, product development guy for Moebius, in far western Illinois, photographing, AND measuring 3 or 4 F-100's of this vintage, and yes, that roof and windshield ARE the correct height!

 

 

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Posted by gulftarpon on Saturday, October 13, 2018 2:56 PM

It looks great to me. Glad to see the Flareside being the first issue. If there are differences or discrepancies, I don't see them being noticeable. I plan to get this kit and enjoy it. I've been waiting for them to release Flareside versions of the 68-72 as well. Here's hoping they decide to do the 1961-1963 and the 1957-1960. I love the old AMT kits, but I can't and won't pay $150 for one.

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Posted by Chuck Kourouklis on Friday, October 12, 2018 9:47 PM

Roger that, 76. Comes to it, wasn't Monogram's first '69 Camaro also reported to be very true to its taped measurements?  A sugar cube could scale out a perfect 1/24 of a basketball - in linear measurements.  That's the kind of thing LIDAR would never allow, and Revell's accuracy game has shot up mightily when they've used it.

Meantime, seeing who's on the wrong side of these discussions is as simple as following the name-callers - even Art Anderson, who has an actual REASON to take this personally, hasn't resorted to that.

And it just drops my jaw that one of the name-callers in this thread actually views HIMSELF as the aggrieved party.

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Posted by highway76 on Friday, October 12, 2018 9:02 PM

midnightprowler

Ok you 2 whiners, give me a example of a single perfect kit. You can't because they don't exist and never will. I know 2 people that have them in their garages and they see nothing really worth complaining about. Maybe you guys should start a model company and make perfect models. 

 

Here are my two cents, and if this throws me into the group of "whiners", so be it. The problem I see with this, and as well as the Salvino's Olds kit as well and any other kits where innacuracies are noticed and pointed out, the masses of the "rainbows and unicorns" crowd that says "Oh, we don't care if it is wrong, we're just happy to have a new model" is just going to keep innacuracies coming from the kit manufacturers because rather than taking some constrcutive critism from those that know what they are talking about and fixing issues BEFORE the kit hits the market, the companies are just going to say "The ones that don't care are still going to gobble this kit up, so why should we worry about fixing it." No kit is 100% perfect, but when there are issues that can be seen by people who know the vehicle well and body demensions DON'T look right, those should be addressed. Also, in this world of technology, things such as CAD and laser scanning should be used on new subjects, not a tape measure. 

I guess I just see it this way, and since I build a wide variety of subjects and have a wide variety of import kits like Tamiya and Aoshima, I would rather buy a subject that is correct to the appearance of the 1:1 from Tamiya and spend a few dollars more for those kits than ones that are "close enough". I have quite a few kits of vehicles in my interests from a foreign manufacture that have domestic counterparts, but the foreign kit is the one in my collection because in some case for just $5 or $10 more than the domestic counterpart, the level of accuracy and detail in the foreign counterpart is well worth my few extra bucks. 

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Posted by Chuck Kourouklis on Friday, October 12, 2018 7:15 PM

AAAAH, NOW I see what a certain participant in this thread was talking about - and how it's not quite the way he represented it elsewhere.

You know who you are.  You're really going to make yourself out as the victim in that exchange?

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Posted by midnightprowler on Friday, October 12, 2018 3:16 AM

IIRC both bed types will be done, not sure if the style side will be short or long, and I believe 65 and 66 are the model years. There are more photos on another forum.i don't blame Art for not posting them here.

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Posted by 3in1 on Thursday, October 11, 2018 7:54 PM

well, count me in. I want one. prefer the styleside, short or long. what year grille will it get? Our family was a Ford dealer so I remember all of these when they were brand new. (not hillbillys with junk setting all over the yard) glue forever!

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Posted by midnightprowler on Thursday, October 11, 2018 7:44 PM

yes. Whiners. There is nothing major wrong with it. Minor perhaps, but not worth it. Art posted a bunch of pics on another forum. He's probably sick of all the negativity. 

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Posted by Oldschool4x4 on Thursday, October 11, 2018 5:36 AM

midnightprowler

Ok you 2 whiners, give me a example of a single perfect kit. You can't because they don't exist and never will. I know 2 people that have them in their garages and they see nothing really worth complaining about. Maybe you guys should start a model company and make perfect models. 

 

 

OK enough!! So now we are "whiners". Just do the research and you'll see. And just for the record, I WANT TO SEE THIS TRUCK  THAT WAS MEASURED AND PHOTOGRAPHED....because in the 1:1 world it would be a rarity....and heres some MORE nit picking if you wish.. the door mirror is WRONG....if this is a "Custom Cab" as indicated by the CC trim that shows on the passenger interior door, wheres the CC emblem on the outside of the door? Now go the the web and search for 65-66 stepside trucks and come back and tell me how many you find will body side mouldings....NOW go to the web and look at the windshield wiper locations....

You know, and I know that there are few kits that are PERFECT, this one included...But if you produce a kit and DON"T expect some feed back then you have a problem, and if they can't take the feedback then they should just STOP selling this stuff..If you wish to buy it DO SO!!! But STOP with the personal attacks....you can defend how you feel without the personal remark midnite.

Question. why isn't Art here to defend his model? BUSY??

And with all that said, I won't be back to this forum, I have better things to do than piss around with this crap.

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Posted by midnightprowler on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 4:23 PM

Ok you 2 whiners, give me a example of a single perfect kit. You can't because they don't exist and never will. I know 2 people that have them in their garages and they see nothing really worth complaining about. Maybe you guys should start a model company and make perfect models. 

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Posted by Plowboy on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 3:20 PM

Arthur Anderson

Obviously, none of those who claim that this is inaccurate have never measured any dimension of the real truck, which I, along with Dave M. of Moebius did do.  Together, we sought out, found a dealer in used, but restorable cars and trucks, who had at least 6 of this vintage F-100, drove about 300 miles, spent an entire afternoon with camera and measuring tape and a carpenters' rule in hand, and also in the photo's.  It takes that sort of reference photography, not some "beauty shot" that an owner or enthusiast takes, of any vehicle to get the information needed to create a model kit, truthfully.  Nearly a thousand photo's, many of them with a measuring tape and/or a carpenters' rule clearly slapped against the subject do exist.

Art

 

 

Just because you spent one day and took photos of the truck doesn't make you or anyone else more knowledgeable than someone who owns or has owned the actual truck. That's obvious in the photo if you think it's accurate. I don't need a measuring tape to know that the drip rail doesn't wrap straight around the windshield brow. It turns and curves upward at the A pillar. It doesn't run on the same plane as the top of the door. The windshield is taller than the top of the door frame. That's  a fact. Not an opinion. I also don't need a tape measure to see that the shape of the front wheelwell opening/fender bulge is wrong. I would need one to check the height of the roof which looks too tall. Even though I can't see the grille, I would bet my kit stash that it will be inaccurate also. Moebius didn't get a single one right on the '69 - '72 F-100's. I wish I could say I expected better from Moebius. But, it's pretty much exactly what I expected.

I'm sure the people who paint and assemble kits will be happy with it and lap it up like Koolaid and say they "don't see anything wrong with it",  "it doesn't bother me" or the most famous, "are we modelers or assemblers? , "we can fix it". With all the available technology today, there's no excuse for an inaccurate kit. Sure, no kit is perfect or 100% accurate. But, a lot of them are head and shoulders above this example. 

Back in 1960, people who had never even seen a '61 F-100 before were able to produce this from drawings.

 20181006_223306 by Roger Hayes, on Flickr 

It's not perfect. They did miss one detail on the body. No use mentioning it. I didn't bother fixing it on the one I built or the one I'm currently building. I do have some experience with these trucks. I looked at a real one for almost seven years. Every day. To some folks, that might not equal the experience of someone who spent a day with one taking photos and measurements. But, whatever. 

 

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Posted by Oldschool4x4 on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 6:50 PM

You know, I was done with this and then you go and start in on my knowledge of 61-66 Ford trucks. To say this without even knowing me is just crap on your part. So they measured and photographed a truck or two. Its still not right.....I happen to own several of the 65's, my daily driver is a 63 Uni. My father has three 64's and a couple of F250's. Been around these truck for 62 years now. So knowledge? Yeah, I have a bit.

 

To Art. how about some more pictures please.

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Posted by midnightprowler on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 6:18 PM

I mean just what I asked. They took hundreds of detail pictures and measurements. You are showing a picture that is not even the same angle as the test shot. I have shown that test shot and your complaints to people probably more knowledgeable than you not on any modeling forum and they don't see anything of concern. Some people just seem to enjoy finding faults. Some look for the good. It is a much happier time doing the second. BTW, no one is taking stabs, we are simply disagreeing.

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Posted by Oldschool4x4 on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 5:56 PM

Have you done what Art and Dave have done??  By the way Art, what stage is that test shot? Thanks for all your and Daves hard work

 

Not sure what you mean? Look, Art posted the picture here, was he looking for ooohs and aahs or did he want some insite into what we thought? If he can not accept the bad with the good then thats his problem, I'm not going to sit here and argue about it, what I see in the picture is what I see, if he posts more and better pictures then I could stand corrected. Sure the truck is buildable, with some work, and with that said, I'll not respond to any more stabs at what I've posted. The End

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Posted by midnightprowler on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 4:40 PM

Oldschool4x4

 

 
Arthur Anderson

Obviously, none of those who claim that this is inaccurate have never measured any dimension of the real truck, which I, along with Dave M. of Moebius did do.  Together, we sought out, found a dealer in used, but restorable cars and trucks, who had at least 6 of this vintage F-100, drove about 300 miles, spent an entire afternoon with camera and measuring tape and a carpenters' rule in hand, and also in the photo's.  It takes that sort of reference photography, not some "beauty shot" that an owner or enthusiast takes, of any vehicle to get the information needed to create a model kit, truthfully.  Nearly a thousand photo's, many of them with a measuring tape and/or a carpenters' rule clearly slapped against the subject do exist.

Art

 

 

 

 

Well Art, its too bad you feel this way. I would have never mentioned any of the several mistakes without having a few in the back yard, sure we expect you to defend your model. but it does have some errors. And I'll only point out the one thats staring you in the face. The curve detail that drops down from the roof on the B pillar drops down too far, the 1:1 detail stops at the top of the window opening on the door.  Not here to argue the merits with you. But take it easy on us..LOL

 

Have you done what Art and Dave have done??  By the way Art, what stage is that test shot? Thanks for all your and Daves hard work

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Posted by oldcarguy on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 3:12 PM

Art ;

   I for one appreciate the effort . I can live with all of it .The only real correction I would mention is the curve at the top of the windshield corners . Unlike another model we all know this one has the window a Tad too tall ?

    Maybe it's me . But the rest looks tweakable as is . Thank You for your efforts .I will buy one if the styleside/large window is offered .

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Posted by Oldschool4x4 on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 2:11 PM

Arthur Anderson

Obviously, none of those who claim that this is inaccurate have never measured any dimension of the real truck, which I, along with Dave M. of Moebius did do.  Together, we sought out, found a dealer in used, but restorable cars and trucks, who had at least 6 of this vintage F-100, drove about 300 miles, spent an entire afternoon with camera and measuring tape and a carpenters' rule in hand, and also in the photo's.  It takes that sort of reference photography, not some "beauty shot" that an owner or enthusiast takes, of any vehicle to get the information needed to create a model kit, truthfully.  Nearly a thousand photo's, many of them with a measuring tape and/or a carpenters' rule clearly slapped against the subject do exist.

Art

 

 

Well Art, its too bad you feel this way. I would have never mentioned any of the several mistakes without having a few in the back yard, sure we expect you to defend your model. but it does have some errors. And I'll only point out the one thats staring you in the face. The curve detail that drops down from the roof on the B pillar drops down too far, the 1:1 detail stops at the top of the window opening on the door.  Not here to argue the merits with you. But take it easy on us..LOL

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Posted by Arthur Anderson on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 10:08 AM

Styleside bed is already in the tooling.

Art

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Posted by Arthur Anderson on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 10:06 AM

Obviously, none of those who claim that this is inaccurate have never measured any dimension of the real truck, which I, along with Dave M. of Moebius did do.  Together, we sought out, found a dealer in used, but restorable cars and trucks, who had at least 6 of this vintage F-100, drove about 300 miles, spent an entire afternoon with camera and measuring tape and a carpenters' rule in hand, and also in the photo's.  It takes that sort of reference photography, not some "beauty shot" that an owner or enthusiast takes, of any vehicle to get the information needed to create a model kit, truthfully.  Nearly a thousand photo's, many of them with a measuring tape and/or a carpenters' rule clearly slapped against the subject do exist.

Art

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Posted by mrmike on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:41 AM

The picture is of a test shot model.  It is not the final version being offered to the public as the mold may be "massaged" a bit before it is finalized for production.  

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Posted by tadkins796 on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 6:06 AM
For all of the nitpickers out there, if a model sitting on a table or where ever you choose to display it, looks like what it represents. and someone knows what is then its good. Everyone should be happy that any one is still trying to bring new kits to the market, not just repoping the same old kits in new boxs.
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Posted by djaustinj on Sunday, October 07, 2018 4:35 PM

I'd buy it!

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Posted by midnightprowler on Sunday, October 07, 2018 1:00 PM

Well for the two no sales there are two sales.

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