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'57 Chevy Black Widow Stock Car

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'57 Chevy Black Widow Stock Car
Posted by gasser59 on Friday, December 03, 2010 12:15 PM

Hi all ~ I used to watch this stock car race in the midwest when I was an early teen and am in the beginning stages of building it from the Black Widow kit. This was a consistent winner, week after week and Swanson Automotive that built it has a great history that links back to the racing division at General Motors. In fact, they were "gifted" an original Black Widow from GM for setting up as a stock car for the midwest circuit. Unfortunately, this is the only picture I have of it. More to follow...

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Posted by GoodAZGuy on Saturday, December 04, 2010 3:09 AM

Hey, Brad!  Welcome aboard.  Looking forward to seeing you buildup of this vintage roundy-rounder. 

 

Check out www.moonlightmodelers.com for the Phoenix area modeling action.

 

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Cool 

 

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Posted by gasser59 on Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:40 AM
Thanks for the welcome. I have been following that website for some time and may join up with you guys after the first of the year at one of your monthly meetings.

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Posted by texwardfan on Wednesday, December 08, 2010 2:16 PM

Looking forward to your build.

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Posted by gasser59 on Thursday, December 09, 2010 8:42 AM

Thanks for following along texwardfan. I finished up the artwork for the decals, printed them out and taped them to the modified body for a test fit. Now they're off to the printer so I can continue on with the chassis and engine. I need to find some better, suitable tires and a set of fenderwell headers before proceeding much further. If I need to, I'll make a set of headers although it seem fairly daunting and IIRC, solder is just a bit too large in diameter. I wonder if I can find some a bit thinner. Anyone know?

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Posted by markdoo on Thursday, December 09, 2010 6:33 PM

 This is a great looking build so far!  Love your decals, and engine and bodywork look excellent also.  Keep us posted on your progress. 

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Posted by mopar68 on Thursday, December 09, 2010 6:59 PM

This looks like a cool project. I have made headers before, they are not as difficult as you may think. I made mine from 1.5mm rod. Looking forward to progress Cool

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Posted by bernardmotorsports on Thursday, December 09, 2010 10:27 PM

Great project! I look forward to seeing this one progress. Very Cool!

Rich Bernard Spokane, WA

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Posted by texwardfan on Friday, December 10, 2010 12:48 PM

Brad, solder comes in different sizes and I can't remember what guage I used on my 55 Rex White Chevy but they looked correct. I used the same solder on my Rex White 63 Chevy for the headers. I''l try to get back with you with photos and the guage I used.

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Posted by texwardfan on Saturday, December 11, 2010 5:41 AM

 

This is the engine from my 55 Sportsman chevy I made using solder headers.

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Posted by gasser59 on Saturday, December 11, 2010 7:31 AM
That size of solder looks perfect. Were you able to find this at the big box home centers or a specialty store? Your engine looks great and I appreciate you taking the time to post your reference picture.

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Posted by gasser59 on Saturday, December 11, 2010 7:36 AM

For a bit of great reading on this builder, go to www.swanson-automotive.com and then read the PDF on the About Us page. I wish this particular race car was the Black Widow mentioned in the article but it is not as this one shows the mounting holes on the body for the common chrome trim of most '57 Chevy's that flares up wider at the rear and not the 150 business coupe. Very interesting reading in that article. I knew when I stumbled across it I would have to build this left turning racer.

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Posted by texwardfan on Saturday, December 11, 2010 4:00 PM

I learned how to do the solder headers from a tutorial that Terry Markum posted at the old Image station site. It has sense then gone away.I dont know if he reposted it in Photobucket or Fotki. I found some left over solder but it was out of its package so I do not know what guage it is. I believe I bought it at RadioShack. Maybe someone reading this post is familiar with Terry Markum and knows how to get hold of him to see if the tutorial is still available.

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Posted by gasser59 on Thursday, December 16, 2010 7:12 PM
Well, I went to Radio Shack and studied their supply of solder. I ended up with the largest diameter they had which is .062". It seems a bit small but for the tight space and tight turns for the fenderwell headers it should work out just great. I'm a few steps away from the header creation stage though. Stay tuned.

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Posted by horsepower on Saturday, December 18, 2010 9:32 PM

 I have had some problems getting solder that has the right"look", & on a whim while in Michaels, I found some silver "Armature" wire that is soft aluminum, & very easy to bend. It is also a quite shiny surface & can be used for 1 3/4" exhaust tubing also.

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Posted by gasser59 on Saturday, December 18, 2010 9:36 PM
That's good to hear horsepower as I was having a challenge with the solder's small diameter. I'll try Michael's in the next day or two. Thanks for the tip.

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Posted by gasser59 on Saturday, December 18, 2010 9:46 PM

Have been able to get some modeling time in and and have finalized the working steering and got it mounted up. More engine detailing done as well. Still trying to figure out the fenderwell headers and will try the wire suggested by horsepower as listed in above post. Wasn't having much luck with the solder. Here's a picture of the steering.

 

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Posted by gasser59 on Saturday, January 08, 2011 12:29 AM

Finally able to get some bench time in so I mounted up the tires on the chassis, did some interior work and put the linkage on the tranny. Still working on the 6 lug rims that came with the kit. I need to deepen them a bit since the new tires are wider than the stock kit tires. I've been concerned about the stance and now I can rest easy.  Whew...

 

 A picture of the linkage made from aluminum flashing and bent up staples for the rods.

 

 And a picture of how I'm deepening the BW six lug rims. Found some old rims from the parts box that are the right diameter for the larger tires. Just need to find some Mr. Muscle to strip the chrome before painting.

As always, comments welcome.

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Posted by lalo on Saturday, January 08, 2011 2:36 PM

...  Smile  Interesting topic. Very interesting vehicles. I like. Congratulations. ... JorgeSmile,Wink, & Grin

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Posted by GoodAZGuy on Sunday, January 09, 2011 1:51 AM

Nice looking stuff, Brad! 

 

For stripping chrome, I've had great success with Westley's Bleche Wite and with Purple Power or Super Clean.  Bleche Wite is a white sidewall (tire) cleaner that is readily available at any auto parts store or WalMart.  Super Clean is a purple degreaser/cleaner also available at any auto parts store or WalMart; Purple Power is the same stuff as Super Clean but at a somewhat cheaper price. 

Bleche Wite is also a terrific mold-release remover for resin kits and parts.  Super Clean/Purple Power is a potent paint stripper that will not damage styrene plastic (but don't put resin kits or parts in it!). 

Cool 

 

 

It's a neat heat and can't be beat. 

 

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Posted by gasser59 on Sunday, January 09, 2011 8:39 AM
Thanks for the info GoodAZGuy. That's good to know since I was really having a hard time finding Mr. Muscle. Its not at three of the main grocery stores or even Target or Walmart. I'll try the Purple Power. That I can find.

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Posted by SkiBum on Sunday, January 09, 2011 10:35 AM

Super Clean works great to strip the chrome off.

The engine looks fantastic.

Rob

 

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Posted by gasser59 on Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:31 AM

Thanks for the comments guys. Its been a long time and as usually happens, I got side-tracked by other builds. When I came back to this thread, I realized I had moved the PhotoBucket pictures around and had to repost all of them. Now I'm off to the garage to shoot the body with primer. I'm trying to get this one completed for the Desert Scale Classic next month. Its going to be a tight deadline. Sure am glad the decals are back from the printer and they look great so now the only hold up is me.

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Posted by gasser59 on Tuesday, March 01, 2011 11:05 AM

As for some progress, the interior is finally done with the exception of adding the padding on the roll bars around the driver's area. Next up is the wheels need detailing with black lug nuts and caps.

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Posted by naskr88 on Tuesday, March 01, 2011 4:02 PM

Very clean build

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Posted by gasser59 on Saturday, March 05, 2011 5:11 PM

Thanks naskr88. With the Desert Scale Classic coming up next month, I got to get this done. I need to source some scale windshield screen. OK guys, where can I get some of this? I need to get my order in soon so its here in time.

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Posted by gasser59 on Monday, March 21, 2011 1:49 PM

Paint and most of the decals are in place. Still need to finalize one particular decal that is only on the passenger side of which I didn't have a picture of until recently and after the decals were outsourced because of the silver ones. I'm really happy with the color and really love that Tamiya paint. 

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Posted by gasser59 on Monday, March 21, 2011 1:52 PM

Here's another one.

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Posted by pepperdrumstix on Monday, March 21, 2011 6:38 PM

Brad go to the grocery store and look at the screen bags the small veggies come in. Garlic comes in a white screen bag that might be perfect for front window wind and flying debris screen. Can't wait to see this car at the Desert Scale Classic. Good luck.  Patrick  M

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Posted by texwardfan on Wednesday, March 30, 2011 9:45 AM

Great job on the decals.

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