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'69 Charger drag car
Posted by vinnietbird on Friday, December 26, 2003 2:50 PM
I just got the doors off of my '69 Charger off and the hinges in place.I'm trying to build a period correct 1/4 mile car.I sanded off the vinyl roof texture,and removed the grilles to put in the photo-etched pieces.Do you think I should use a factory Hemi intake,or a cross ram?Next,what kind of roll bar would a car in the late 60's use?
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Posted by MojoDoctor on Friday, December 26, 2003 4:42 PM
Sounds like a great project. Hope to see some photos!
If you are making a 'local guy' type of racer, think small budget. A cross ram might have been too expensive, but was seen on many racers. A single loop rollbar with maybe two supports going to the back window tray and two supports going forward to the floor. In that era, they were just starting to tie in the roll cage with the suspension, so don't over do it.

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Posted by vinnietbird on Friday, December 26, 2003 6:53 PM
Thanks for the input.I'm not much of a race car builder.I like factory stock more than anything.I need all of the hints I can get.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 27, 2003 12:54 PM
Vinnie,
Sorry to be a wise guy but I sometimes can't help it.
When you say "period correct" what period do you mean? After all, 1969 was over 43 years ago! Many periods have come and gone.
O.K. now, There are many ways to build the car. A Stock Eliminator car would be easy. In the sixties and early seventies you would run 7'' slicks and probably no roll bar. Must use stock intake and carbs, Take off the exhaust system, use headers, put some shoe polish class and #s on the windows and you are good to go. Stickers on the side windows would be common. A current day Stocker would have a roll bar and harness and probably run B/S or B/SA. Cal-Trac type traction bars could be fabricated. A big difference between any modern racer and an early one would be contingency stickers. Todays cars literally dozens of them on both sides of the body. Oh yeah, no aftermarket body parts allowed, like hood scoops, etc..

Chargers were popular in Superstock "back in the day" ( SS/E) ,but I will be willing to bet that there is not a '69 Charger Superstock car in the U.S. today.
Use a "rat roaster" with Carter carbs., headers, any slick that will fit in the stock wheel well and make a simple 3 point roll bar. Again, no hood scoop.

Modified Production: A/MP or B/MP. Use 'rat roaster", bigger tires (mini tub it),
ladder bars, now you can add a scoop (hemi or six-pack type).

Leave the rear seat in an early Stocker. You can remove it for a S/S car or M/P.
Use stock front seats (2) for all classes.

If you want to build a gasser or have any other questions just let me know. but I
think you are looking for a stock appearing car. Right?
WF
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 27, 2003 1:01 PM
About intakes . Stock would use original intake (in-line 4bbl). Superstock was and is allowed an aftermarket or fabricated intake but must use original carbs in "stock" location (no cross-ram except 426 Darts and 'cudas). I think a "rat roaster" is available in resin. M/P could use just about anything available (multiple carbs on cross ram etc.)
WF
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 27, 2003 1:11 PM
I know, I know, More info than I really needed. But to answer your roll bar question. Back in the '60s and early '70s. Most street/strip and stock/superstock class cars would use a 3 point, bolt in Lakewood roll bar with the red paint that came on it. Side bars were not required till much later. I'll have to go through some old rule books to be certain as to what year they became mandatory.
WF
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Posted by Fordforever on Sunday, December 28, 2003 9:41 AM
I think Walter ansewered the question completely!!!Approve
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 28, 2003 12:20 PM
Ohhhhh. I was just getting warmed up!
WF
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Posted by woody76 on Sunday, December 28, 2003 12:39 PM
WF are you a dragracer by any meens?Big Smile
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Posted by vinnietbird on Monday, December 29, 2003 8:19 AM
Hey,W.F.,1969 was not 43 years ago,it was34 years ago,and period correct means that the car would be built to 1969 specs.No current tires,or modern wheels,no fuel injection,nothing modern.I went to Dick Landy's sight and checked out his '68 and'69 Chargers.Lot's of info there.Sometimes he used the Cragar rims,on another race he had Keystone rims.He raced them in Superstock.So,I noted the mods he did,and I'm going to use them as a blueprint for my project.I'm going to use the cross ram intake,dana rear ,Dodge van front seats,no rear seat,(which is a nice option with this kit),I fabbed a smoth dash that will accept the stock dash pad,and I'll use the photo-etched gauge face from the Pro-Modeler Daytona kit.I found a Tourqueflight tranny that I'm going to put behind the Hemi,and a photo-etched tach on the dash.As I stated before,the doors will open,so I have to pay close attention to the interior.I removed the rear passenger armrests,and I installed the bracing that would be between the rear seat(which will not be used),and the trunk,which will also open.The battery will be in the right rear of the trunk as in the factory built Super Stock Dodges and Plymouths.Up front,the photo-etched grilles will be in place,as will hood pins (only two).Unless I decide to remove the hinges,then one pin on each corner.I will remove the passenger side windshield wiper arm.These cars did not sit low,so the factory ride height in the front,and slightly raised in the back,with poseable steering.I will use the factory steering wheel,with the photo-etched center.My plan of attack has been mapped out,and all I have to do is build it.I have a lot of the little stuff done,like the dash,the roll bar,the frame connectors (I learned that from Dick Landy),and the seat tracks.I'll keep you informed.
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Posted by scamp on Monday, December 29, 2003 4:41 PM
Where is Dick Landys site? I would like to visit?Cool
When I get this sucker rollin you will be beggin for Mercy
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:02 AM
O.K. 43-34, What's a little dyslexia among friends? I suddenly feel about 10 years younger!
Back in '69 the rules regarding the interiors in Stk. and S/S were very strict. Had to have all original upholstery, dash, and seats as installed by the factory. Rear seats had to remain in place. Even the dome light had to be in place and wired!
Whether you know it or not, you are building an A or B Modified Production car.
I''m pretty sure that a firewall (a piece of sheetmetal) was required if you removed the rear seat and had the battery in the trunk.
Dick and Mike Landy raced in Stock, Super Stock and Mod. Prod. in 1969. Landy was sponsored by Cragar for most of his drag racing career so you might expect to see Cragar SS or Super Tricks on his race cars. Dick is a super nice guy. He even drove my Stock Elim. car one time in a match race!
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Posted by vinnietbird on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:14 AM
Thanks WF.I appreciate all of your info.I think I've got the details worked out,now the hard part,I have to pick the color.I'm thinking about a pale yellow.I'm not sure about stripes.I usually build factory stock cars,so this is a stretch for me.I have the sponsor decals ready,just that darn paint scheme.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:09 PM
How about Y2 Sunfire Yellow with a black bumble bee stripe? I think it would look awesome with a '68 Hemi style hood scoop as well.I'm doing a '68 Road Runner that color right now. I ordered the paint from MCW. They have great paint and real fast service. Just about every color for every cay from the early fifties up till today. Slixx also has some early contingency decals. Just be careful to order 1/25 instead of 1/16. The on-line catalog is not real clear, or maybe it's just me.
WF
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Posted by vinnietbird on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:04 PM
Hey,WF,I am going with Sunfire Yellow (good call).I'm unsure of the rear stripes.So far,I've got the interior painted (the "metal" floor and bracing),and have black carpet (flocking).I also have the dash nearly complete.I'm working on the tach now.I'll keep you posted.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:40 PM
The tach! I forgot to tell you that many Mopars used a cable drive tach ( I still do). It would be pretty easy to run a "cable" (about .030' wire) from the back of the tach to the side of the distributor body. Just run it out the back of the tach, through the dash and firewall and lay it across the top of the engine. Sorry about being such a "know it all" but I get excited when someone builds a drag car! Not too many on this site! I build a lot of Mopars but the last 2 builds were both Ford powered. A Mickey Thompson Funny Car and an A/GS Austin gasser with a parts pack 427.
I'm making up for it though, I'm continuing with my long term '71 'cuda gasser ( I started this project 15 years ago!), a Gene Snow F/C, and a copy of my '68 RoadRunner. If I ever get digital, I'll post some photos and we'll show all these sporty car and NASCAR fans what real racecars look like!
WF
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Posted by vinnietbird on Thursday, January 01, 2004 5:16 PM
Hey,WF.I'm still assembling the tach.It's a photo-etched piece.I had already drilled a hole for the cable.I think we may be on the same wave length.I'll keep you informed on the progress.It's going to get more exciting.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 02, 2004 2:16 AM
The Charger sure is sounding great Vinnie! You definitly should think about adding that black bumble bee stripe too!

QUOTE: If I ever get digital, I'll post some photos and we'll show all these sporty car and NASCAR fans what real racecars look like!
WF


Couldn't agree with you more WF!Big Smile
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Posted by vinnietbird on Friday, January 02, 2004 2:38 PM
I'll consider the stripe.I'll wait until the car is near completion before I decide.I'll keep you all informed.I thought about a two-tone race car paint job.It's all so confusing!!!The paint choices have been the hardest part of the project.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 02, 2004 6:59 PM
sounds like this is going to be a crazy car to see, because of it's period that it's in! sounds like it's going good also, so keep it up,
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Posted by vinnietbird on Sunday, January 04, 2004 8:49 AM
I appreciate everyone's encouragement.THANKS!!!!!!!!
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