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Dick Trickle Mustang info
Posted by privateer on Monday, November 21, 2005 3:45 PM
I would like to build Trickles A&W sponsored Mustang. Does anyone know anything about this car ? Or can someone point me in the right direction for pics, spec's etc. I have found a few very fuzzy photo's, but they don't show me much. I need color's details etc.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 21, 2005 6:48 PM
I have these two photos of it.




This car would have been raced in the Sportsman class, not Grand National or Winston Cup.

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Posted by privateer on Monday, November 21, 2005 7:53 PM
Thanks those will help. I do know that this was Trickles ride from his short track days in Wisc. Again thanks again
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Posted by Bainford on Monday, November 21, 2005 9:37 PM
Here's a couple more









They are not very good. I was surprised that there were no good pictures readily available on the web. It's been awhile since I've made a search, though. Perhaps it's time for another try.

There was also a member on here about a year ago who had intimate knowledg of this car, and I think he also knew of a survivor near him. He said he would help anyone who wanted to know more about this car. I wrote his email down somewhere, if I can find it, I'll email it to you.

I have a keen interest in doing a model of this car also. I have all the parts together, but I just need the decals. There was a guy on ebay awhile back who was selling reproductions of these decals, but I haven't seen his stuff for some time now.

I Wonder if Gooche has a copy of these...

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Posted by privateer on Monday, November 21, 2005 9:48 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Bainford


I have a keen interest in doing a model of this car also. I have all the parts together, but I just need the decals. There was a guy on ebay awhile back who was selling reproductions of these decals, but I haven't seen his stuff for some time now.

I Wonder if Gooche has a copy of these...



Fred Cady makes the decals. I am in the process of getting all the parts together. Deciding what body , chassis wheels etc.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 21, 2005 9:59 PM
This car was ran in the ARCGO and then in 72 ASA was born.. My fathers team ran with with the ban of touring drivers back from 70 to 83 . They would race this car 7 days a week and twice on sunday most of the season.
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Posted by Bainford on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:54 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by privateer

QUOTE: Originally posted by Bainford


I have a keen interest in doing a model of this car also. I have all the parts together, but I just need the decals. There was a guy on ebay awhile back who was selling reproductions of these decals, but I haven't seen his stuff for some time now.

I Wonder if Gooche has a copy of these...



Fred Cady makes the decals. I am in the process of getting all the parts together. Deciding what body , chassis wheels etc.


Excellent, thanks for the info, time to give Fred a call.

Just in case you're interested, I'm using one of the recent Model King MPC Super Stockers as a chassis, drive train etc. I may even use the tires if I can successfully sand all the tread off of them. I will likely use the MPC 69 Mustang for the body, since it isn't good for much else. The only thing I'm missing (aside from decals) is the Mach 1 hood scoop that appeared on some iterations of this car. As you can see from the different pictures, there is a lot of room for artistic lisense on this build.

I also need some information on the engine: is it a Ford or Chevy? If a Ford, is it a Cleveland or Windsor? An engine picture would be handy, as would an interior picture. The search continues...

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Posted by Mark Melchiori on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 5:54 PM
The MPC '69 Mustang is the same body that they used to do the Super Stocker kit. It was retored to stock in the '80's. From what I can remember, the car had a big-block 427 Ford in it, at least in the early days. He might have switched to a small block at some time judging by the 347 CI on the hood in one of the photos. I asked Dick at Slinger once what the correct color of the car was, he said "Plum Crazy Purple with some extra metallic in it so it would sparkle under the lights". I also had him sign a couple of my Mustang kits, which seemed to bring back good memories for him. Dick also said that he had bought this car back and it was either restored or will soon be.
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Posted by kevracer on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:54 PM
The real (1:1) car is owned, I believe, by Ken Schrader, who is restoring it.

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Posted by Bainford on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:00 AM
Thanks for the info, Mark. I, too, was under the impression that the car was a big block, but was thrown by the 347 cu designation on the hood in one of the pics. This is possibly due to a rules change, as these cars were run well into the late 70s, perhaps longer. I also thought the colour looked very close to plum crazy, so that solves that.

Thanks for the tip, Kev. Maybe it would be worth trying to get hold of Ken through the fan club for more info. Great leads.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:09 AM
If I'm not mistaken he ran this till 77 and then switch over to the Trans am. The only one i knew that ran this Mustang longer was Tom Refiner in the Blue Night #88 car. There was three of them that was sponsored by Super America Gas and #99 White Night, #88 Blue Night and the #88 Black Night, You also have to remember that they ran this car more then just for Arcgo and ASA, There rules back then was the traveling drivers had there own set of rules and when they came into the tracks they also had to run with there local hero's that ran the tracks rules. Grand Rapids Michigan tracks was one of the biggest ones that had run what you bring till the early 80s.. Kind of off set the rules but they also wanted the local drivers to race with them.
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Posted by privateer on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:00 PM
Hmmm........Which body to use??? I have heard that the MPC body is out of scale, and that the Revell '69 Mustang has a problem with the front end, that leaves AMT's '69 Body. Anybody know anuthing about AMT's Mustang?
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Posted by Mark Melchiori on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 5:16 PM
AMT's '69 Mustang is the old MPC one. Trickle for sure ran the Mustang at least until 1976, hence the red white and blus paint job. At the same time, he had a new Bopp chassis that had a Granada body on it, very cool car. When he could not make the Ford competitive against the Chevies, he switched to the Firebird.
The SuperAmerica Knights were Trickle as the White Knight #99, Tom Reffner as the Blue Knight #88, and Minnesota driver Johnny Boegeman as the Black Knight #61. To the best of my knowledge, Reffner ran AMC's longer than he did Mustangs.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, November 25, 2005 12:24 AM
hey trickle fans i also have some knowlage on this .my dad raced tricky dick often at all the tracks here in wisconsin,when the kit came out dad got him to sign it for me and he told dad the same stroy of the color,,also i have lots of pics of it,and the other fella is mistaken he did not run it till 77 he also ran a 75-76 granada in 76 -early 77 it was white,and he wrecked it at i think rockford,then jumped to the firebird,dick also painted the pony white,rumor had it he built four cars all the same to keep up with the rules everywhere he raced and traded 2 of them later for parts and a hauler,reffner got one, the other went to a local guy,i have pics of it in white and the purple also got pics of the granada,and a lot of his other stuff too,dad got pics of every one he raced with,as for the motor well it was the 427,and the cleveland,never ran the windsor,didnt like the heads or the crank,i think the 347 was for the artgo series,i may have to ask dad....i have over 1000 pics of lots of these guys that raced around here,sauter,diejens,kulwicki,musgrave in a car number Z,joe shear,watson,somers,reffner,and the black knights name was johnny boegeman,he ran a camaro,dicky the firebird,and reffner ran a dodge dart.this pony also set a national record 67 feature wins in one year,oh yaeh we go way back,hehe,let me know what i can help with....... deez201@yahoo.com
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Posted by Bainford on Friday, November 25, 2005 5:37 AM
Aahhh...Mr Deez, you are the member who offered information on this car awhile back. I wrote your email down at the time, and just found it last night. I'm glad to hear from you.

I am interested in building the version of the car as it appears with the A&W sponsership above. Do you know what time fram this would have been, and would the car have run a 427 at this time? Do you have pictures of the engine and interior, or other detail pictures, of the car from this time? If so, I may be in touch with you.

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Posted by Bainford on Friday, November 25, 2005 6:02 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by privateer

Hmmm........Which body to use??? I have heard that the MPC body is out of scale, and that the Revell '69 Mustang has a problem with the front end, that leaves AMT's '69 Body. Anybody know anuthing about AMT's Mustang?


I just did a side by side comparison of the MPC and the Revell bodies. There is no doubt that the Revell body is somewhat larger in most critical dimensions, especially the wheel wells. The Revell body also has a much more accurate shape and appearance. (I have owned a 1:1 69 Mach 1 for 18 years, so I have a fair idea of what it should look like.) However, as you mentioned, the Revell body has some problems. Though difficult to explain in words, the problem is almost entirely with the front facia/grill assembly.

It seems that the front body piece (that contains the head lights and grill) needs to be rotated down in front, such that the ceiling of the head light tunnel is nearly level. This will also serve to correct the side profile angle of the grill, but will cause fit issues between the leading edge of the hood, and the grill. There may be other aspects to this problem. Someday I will do a detailed comparison between the Revell body and my 69 mach 1.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, November 25, 2005 7:33 AM
I never said as a fact that he ran that car till 77, I do know that he did run a Camaro in 75,76,77 down at Speedweek at Daytona for the Modifyed because they ran Big Block motors and the rules for that was fender cars v's open wheel so every one that was running at the night race at New Symernia would run on thursday after the 125s in the road corse race. and used the same car at New Symernia FL, as they ran what you bring.. Also he ran a 75,76,77 Monte Carlo in the Winston Cup. For one i was never a real big fan of his but i know he never finish a race at Berlin Speedway till 83.. he was going on 22 races that he crashed out of at this track and one night he burned down two cars..
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Posted by privateer on Friday, November 25, 2005 6:23 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Bainford
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I just did a side by side comparison of the MPC and the Revell bodies. There is no doubt that the Revell body is somewhat larger in most critical dimensions, especially the wheel wells. The Revell body also has a much more accurate shape and appearance. (I have owned a 1:1 69 Mach 1 for 18 years, so I have a fair idea of what it should look like.) However, as you mentioned, the Revell body has some problems. Though difficult to explain in words, the problem is almost entirely with the front facia/grill assembly.

It seems that the front body piece (that contains the head lights and grill) needs to be rotated down in front, such that the ceiling of the head light tunnel is nearly level. This will also serve to correct the side profile angle of the grill, but will cause fit issues between the leading edge of the hood, and the grill. There may be other aspects to this problem. Someday I will do a detailed comparison between the Revell body and my 69 mach 1.


Ok.....so both of the bodies have some problems. It sounds like quite teh job to fix teh Revell body. The AMT/MPC body has problems as well,but if I am going to enlarge the wheel wells any way, I am thinking that this would be the one to use. What other problems might I encounter with the AMT / MPC body? I wish I had both bodies to look at side by side.....but Sad Which body would you use?
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Posted by Bainford on Saturday, November 26, 2005 1:37 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by privateer

QUOTE: Originally posted by Bainford
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I just did a side by side comparison of the MPC and the Revell bodies. There is no doubt that the Revell body is somewhat larger in most critical dimensions, especially the wheel wells. The Revell body also has a much more accurate shape and appearance. (I have owned a 1:1 69 Mach 1 for 18 years, so I have a fair idea of what it should look like.) However, as you mentioned, the Revell body has some problems. Though difficult to explain in words, the problem is almost entirely with the front facia/grill assembly.

It seems that the front body piece (that contains the head lights and grill) needs to be rotated down in front, such that the ceiling of the head light tunnel is nearly level. This will also serve to correct the side profile angle of the grill, but will cause fit issues between the leading edge of the hood, and the grill. There may be other aspects to this problem. Someday I will do a detailed comparison between the Revell body and my 69 mach 1.


Ok.....so both of the bodies have some problems. It sounds like quite teh job to fix teh Revell body. The AMT/MPC body has problems as well,but if I am going to enlarge the wheel wells any way, I am thinking that this would be the one to use. What other problems might I encounter with the AMT / MPC body? I wish I had both bodies to look at side by side.....but Sad Which body would you use?


That's a very good question. Initially I thought I would use the MPC body, since building a short track car involves a certain amount of hacking it up anyway. But after doing the side by side comparison with the Revell body (inspired by your comments), I'm leaning more towards the Revell one. The lines and contours around the rear roof line and the upper 'huanches' of the quarter panels on the Revell body are more accurate in appearance (though the MPC is not that bad). These lines really help to establish the profile that makes the 69 Mustang one of the coolest looking cars ever built (IMHO).

However, as mentioned, the front end needs work...and to be honest, I'm not much for body work. I've always wanted to take a shot at correcting the Revell body, though, and building a short track car just might be the best project to give it a try (easier to hide the screw ups). On a short track car with no headlights, and possibly no grill, the problems may not even be significant.

So to answer your question ,I'm not sure yet, but I think I'm leaning toward the Revell body. However, the MPC body is not really too bad for a project such as this, and with the exception of filling a few sink holes, it should require no other body repair.

Sort of sitting on the fence here, aren't I?

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Posted by privateer on Saturday, November 26, 2005 2:31 PM
QUOTE:

That's a very good question. Initially I thought I would use the MPC body, since building a short track car involves a certain amount of hacking it up anyway. But after doing the side by side comparison with the Revell body (inspired by your comments), I'm leaning more towards the Revell one. The lines and contours around the rear roof line and the upper 'huanches' of the quarter panels on the Revell body are more accurate in appearance (though the MPC is not that bad). These lines really help to establish the profile that makes the 69 Mustang one of the coolest looking cars ever built (IMHO).

However, as mentioned, the front end needs work...and to be honest, I'm not much for body work. I've always wanted to take a shot at correcting the Revell body, though, and building a short track car just might be the best project to give it a try (easier to hide the screw ups). On a short track car with no headlights, and possibly no grill, the problems may not even be significant.

So to answer your question ,I'm not sure yet, but I think I'm leaning toward the Revell body. However, the MPC body is not really too bad for a project such as this, and with the exception of filling a few sink holes, it should require no other body repair.

Sort of sitting on the fence here, aren't I?


You and I are on the same page here.........just before reading this I purchased Revells kit thinking that the mods to the front end may not be neccesary due to the fact that these cars had no grills , headlight etc. I got a good deal on revells kit so I took it. I will be starting construction late next week .....so watch for the thread to come up.
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Posted by Bainford on Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:34 PM
Cool. I'll be watching for it.

What engine are you going to use?

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Posted by privateer on Saturday, November 26, 2005 11:09 PM
umm.......ya mean this thing needs an engine???..... Just kidding......I'm not sure yet. Suggestions
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Posted by Bainford on Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:19 AM
I need to find more information on engine details for this car. I've found a fair bit of info online, but most of it deals with Dick's racing and partying exploits, and not much on the technical details of the Mustang.

As near as I can tell, the car ran a big block early on. For later race series the car ran 347 cu in, and possibly 302 cu in engines. The big block could have been 427, 428, or 429. 427s and 428s are similar in appearance, except for details, and the 428 CJ from the Revell Mustang could provide an engine. If the big block was a 429, the Revell 70 Torino has the nicest one I've seen. My guess is the big block was a 427, but that's just a guess.

The 347 could have been based on a 351 Cleveland, 351 Windsor, or a 302, but was most likely the 351 Cleveland. Again, this is just a guess.

I'll probably build the big block, though a Cleveland would be cool as well. I would love to find some pictures of the engines for this car.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 12, 2005 10:21 AM
fellas i am still lookin for pics of the engine for this car,not real possotive i have any dick was a stickler about sharin when he had the ponies,i may hav a pic of it after it changed hans ,hang with me i am tryin....lots of discs to go threw hehe...
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Posted by Bainford on Monday, December 12, 2005 8:37 PM
That's cool, man. Thanks for lookin'. Give us a holler when you find 'em.

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Posted by 72mustang on Monday, May 11, 2015 9:27 PM

Does anyone have the instruction sheet for the MPC *** Trickle kit?

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Posted by Bainford on Tuesday, May 12, 2015 8:14 AM

I may have one. When I get home tonight I'll take a look and see if I can dig it up.

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Posted by Bainford on Wednesday, May 13, 2015 7:10 AM

I checked my stash of old instruction sheets, and I'm afraid the Trickle kit is not there. Try in the 'Where Can I Get' section of the forum. You may have better luch there. Also, there were several kits offered by MPC in the same short track series which all had the same chassis and engines (AFAIK only the bodies are different), would any of those suffice?

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Posted by TerryS on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 4:59 AM

A little info if anyone is interested. If I recall right Wisconsin short track racing had allowed unlimited cubic inch engines. Than in 1973 or 1974 they changed the rules to give a weight break to the small blocks. I think it was 81/2 pounds per cu in for small blocks, 9 pounds per cu in for big blocks. I saw Trickles 99 Mustang at Capitol speedway in 1974. It had a Cleveland engine with a Smokey ram intake with a single 4 barrel top. Those were the 2 piece cross ram intakes made by Edelbrock.Hope this helps someone.

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Posted by Bainford on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 7:17 AM

Thanks Terry. As I personally have yet to tackle this particular project, the information is helpful indeed.

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