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Drag racing class numbers explained ????
Posted by glassparman on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 2:23 PM
OK guys, I'm building a couple of '32 ford drag strip type jobs and I have no idea what those numbers and letters that are temporarily painted on the side mean.

I have looked on NHRA and all sorts of places but for a dummy like me, there is no clue as to what I should put on the site of my models.

Anybody got a description?Question

Michael
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Posted by old coyote on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 6:42 PM
What time frame are you setting the car in and what engine configuration are you going to use..................... if you can give me that information I can tell you what class the car would run and what the markings should be ................ also tell me where you live so I can tell you what the proper numbering scheme would be (what NHRA Division you live in ) WinkWinkWink

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 9:27 PM
Also you need to know what time of era you are doing. Today's lettering or back in the late 50s and early 60's. Mid 60s to early 70s and so on. This was because some where dropped and some where added or redid.

SG/A would be Super gas/ A Divison normaly if the /A is there or AA/ is the top of the line of the group.

AA/FC is top fuel Funny Car.
SS/A - Super Stock / A divison.

My father ran 58-63 in the FX/A and that was Factory Experimental/ A divison that had a B and C divison listed.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 10:49 PM
Chas and old coyote are right. It really depends on the time period as classes have changed many times since the early sixties . I've got some NHRA and some AHRA rule books that go way back if you guys ever need technical info.
A '32 Ford with left hand steering would probably be a gas class car of some sort.
Need to know if it's supercharged or not. Give us an idea what the displacement will be. We can probably help you with safety requirements and such as well.
WF
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Posted by glassparman on Wednesday, February 4, 2004 9:25 AM
Thanks for all this wonderful help guys! It's basically a stock '32 ford 3-window coupe with a Cadillac 354 in it. I really prefer the 50's era racing. I have been getting many ideas from Hot Rod magazine issues from the 50's and 60's and I like the look and feel of what they did back then. I myself did not come into the world until 1963 but at least I'm old enough to appreciate the era that I missed.

I think that I would also like to find a complete guide as I will build other models in the future and I would like to look at the rulebooks and figure it out. I just want my model to have accurate numbers and letters on it.

If Walter or someone is willing to put together an excel spread sheet or basic word document of the NHRA and AHRA rules from the 50's and 60's that explains the markings, I would be willing to build a basic web page for the public and hang it off my commercial website.

I'm the founder of the Glasspar Owners Association and I have a fairly large web presence. It would be an easy task for me to take the data and built a small page that we can provide others with the link to for reference. I’m all for providing information for other modelers.

Michael McKinney
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Posted by old coyote on Wednesday, February 4, 2004 10:14 AM
OK, this is what we have, a full fendered '32 3-window could run either as a Gas class car or an Altered class car, depending on the modifications. Most altered coupes in the '50's ran fenderless, so your car would probably be a gasser. Given the weight breaks of the '50's, if the 354 Cadillac engine was not blown (supercharged) or overbored, it would have have been classified in the "B" Gas class, and the window or door markings would have been B/G ................. if the engine was supercharged it would have had to run in A/G

Numbers at that time were not required to follow a pattern (that would come later) so you could probably use any entrant number you wanted ............... if you built it for the late '60's or later, the number would have to correspond to the division that the car was certified in ................... for instance, I lived and raced in Texas, which is in NHRA Division 4 ............... my A/A '32 Austin Bantam roadster had to have a number that started with "4" .......... so the number plate attached to my injector stacks simply stated A/A 44


http://www.fbodyaddict.com/photos/get-photo.asp?photoid=679

The rules have changed so much during the years, and so many classes have been added and disposed of, doing a spreadsheet would be difficult ......... it would be huge ............. your best bet is in the old magazines or finding an "old fart" who raced back in those days and understood how the classifications worked

If you want me to give you a summary of some of the info, just e-mail me at oldcoyote@triad.rr.com


John


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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 4, 2004 10:48 AM
Building a database like that sounds like it would be an interesting project. Something I might do if I had the time. I can't even seem to get started on the ones that I should be doing for job right now. It might be easier to write a book on the subject! But how many people woud truly be interested? I wonder. Might be able to put something together that would be kind of basic though. There are a lot of geezers like myself on the Straight Line Message Board that would know about this stuff. They might even have what you are looking for.

I'm pretty sure that I would be able to find a category for most anything that someone on this board would build. I have a lot of reference material at hand and about 35 years of "hands on" drag racing experience. In fact I have been a race track manager and a SFI certified NHRA tech inspector for a number of years now.
So, if anyone wants to give me the particulars of their vehicle I would probably be able to give them an accurate idea of the classification.

glassparman, your car would be a Gas Coupe if it has a roof. If it has an open body it would be a Street Roadster. Removing the fenders or placing the driver in the center of the car makes it an Altered.
In the early sixties Gas coupes were divided into sub categories according to weight vs. displacement. The lightest cars with the most cubic inches would be in the A/Gas class. Add weight or subtract cubic inches and you move down the ladder to B/Gas, C/Gas . Putting a supercharger on your car would move you "up" a class (actually "down" the alphabet). Later in the decade seperate classes were established for supercharged cars. Those would be A/GS, B/GS,
C/GS.
Now that I think about it , even if someone had all of the information at hand it might still be difficult to classify a car correctly.
Walter Frey






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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 4, 2004 10:58 AM
Hey old coyote, any relation to Wile E ?
Us long time racers are not always old farts but we are definately 'Geezers"!
Good to find a fellow drag racer on the board that actually "walked the walk".
Seems like we both gave glassparman the same answer!
What kind of cars did you race? What tracks? When? What kinds of models do you build?
I know, I'm nosey but it's good to find kindred spirits if you know what I mean.
WF

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 4, 2004 11:07 AM
I clicked on your link! Holy......(insert soap in mouth)!
A Hemi powered A/ Altered! Outta Sight! (means the same thing as "awesome, dude" for you younger members). That is one bad hombre.
Hemis Freakin' rule!
Here's a link to my car, with a 6bbl and later with Hemi power.
http://public.fotki.com/announcerguy/the_bird/beeper_1990_1995.html
Walter Frey
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Posted by glassparman on Wednesday, February 4, 2004 11:25 AM
This is a great discussion topic we started. Thanks guys!

Thanks to both of you, I have what I need for at least this model and some idea of how to mark future models. As I said I really like the 50's style drags so my modeling will stick fairly close to that style which will make my markings easier.

Maybe a "Markings general guideline" could be something they could add to this site??

If not, as I find more data, I can still add it to my site and give the link to others. My 9-year-old recently discovered models so this just renewed my interest that I lost some 30 years ago. We have “Model Night” each Thursday at my house – it’s a great father son bonding experience for me and both my boys. I’m stuck for good now and moving into some scratch built 1/8 scale.

Thanks again!

Michael McKinney
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Posted by old coyote on Wednesday, February 4, 2004 12:10 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Walter Frey

I clicked on your link! Holy......(insert soap in mouth)!
A Hemi powered A/ Altered! Outta Sight! (means the same thing as "awesome, dude" for you younger members). That is one bad hombre.
Hemis Freakin' rule!
Here's a link to my car, with a 6bbl and later with Hemi power.
http://public.fotki.com/announcerguy/the_bird/beeper_1990_1995.html
Walter Frey


Hey Walter ..................... Glad to make your aquaintance ................... finding another "geezer" drag racer is really a pleasure

I definitely am kin to Wile E ....................... a lot of my projects wind up the same way his do WinkWink

To answer your questions, I got hooked on drag racing in April '60 when Amarillo Dragway opened ................ saw Jim Nelson in the single Chevy Dragmaster defeat Raymond Godman's awesome "Tennessee Bo-Weevil" A/MR for the crown that day .............. was hooked for life.

I started racing in '63 ............. first with a J/S '55 Chevy hardtop ............ then went to a '60 Impala (348/335) C/S .............. then to a '63 Impala B/MP (409/425) .................. then a twin tour with a '61 Corvette B/SP (later B/MSP) and a '65 Plymouth A990 sedan S/SA ................ the Air Force interrupted the fun from '67 to '71 but in '74 I began running the Rastetter Automotive A/A after Roy ventured on into dragsters ................ ran that little car until it became too expensive to stay competitive (wife and kiddo's also put a drain on the finances) .................. best run with the roadster 8.23 at Dallas (the old DMS) and the fastest speed was 172.41 at Riverside (loved Riverside ....... the shut-off area was long and up-hill ...... didn't have to use the chute and you could safely "drive 'em out the back door")

I raced mostly in the west and southwest .......... spent a lot of time in Divisions 4 & 5 .............. traveled out to the "left coast" Divisions 6 & 7 whenever we could. Made a couple of trips to the midwest and south (3 & 2) but never made it back to your area, "The Land of NED" .................. would have liked to, but your seasons were so short and most of the dates conflicted with something out our way ................. but you had, and still have some wonderful facilities up there

I build mostly Nascar and drag cars (go figure) ................. something about "rolling billboards" fascinate me ............... am also starting to build some showroom stock now

Great to meet you ...................... let me know your background ................ I'd love to hear your stories CoolCool ..................... I'm at work right now and can't get to your picture link (stinking firewall blocks us from picture sites) ..................... I'll grab a look when I get home .............. from the little description you gave it sounds like I've run across another "Hemi Junkie" ....................... I'll post you a message as soon as I can see the pics

Take care

John

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 4, 2004 12:18 PM
O.K now I followed the instructions as to how to post a picture.



Nope, keep getting a red x. what the heck?
Wf
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 4, 2004 12:50 PM
Yep, I'm an admitted Hemi junkie. Had two hemi cars but never could do squat with either one of them.
I began my racing "career" as a hero driver in 1971 bracket racing at NY National Speedway. Did so well one season (won 12 weeks in a row) that they kicked me out! I bought my 691/2 Road Runner right after that (1975) and went legal class racing. Never really had the time or money to do it right but I did win
a Div. 1 points meet with it. Also was a partner in a 68 Hemi Cuda M/P car. Talk about a bank breaker! Man, could that thing eat parts!
Then came a family and business so I quit for a while.
Came back in the mid eighties with Super Gasser. Never really enjoyed that so I pulled the Beeper out of mothballs for another shot at Stock. Ran it with both the 6bbl and a Hemi up until about 2000. Now its back in the vault where it will wait until I can restore it. I did all of my racing in Div. One with the exception of a trip to Indy in 1988.
In 1998 I was named manager of L.I. Motorsports Park and did that until I couldn't deal with the owner any more ( another story for another time).
Presently I do p.a. announcing in Division One for the Lucas Oil Series and Open Series. I've announced at Island Dragway, Numidia Raceway, Cecil County, Maple Grove, Atco, US 13, Lebanon Valley, Las Vegas, and of course my home track Raceway Park . I now work at Raceway Park as lead announcer and am one of the track managers.
As you might guess, my modeling subjects are muscle cars and nostalgia drag cars. No digital camera yet but I hope to have one soon. Check out my fotki albums at : http://public.fotki.com/announcerguy/
They are still under construction.
WF


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Posted by old coyote on Wednesday, February 4, 2004 12:52 PM
Hey Walter .................. this is how bad I'm still hooked ................. my wife's and my "toy" TongueTongueTongue

http://www.fbodyaddict.com/photos/get-photo.asp?photoid=774

http://www.fbodyaddict.com/photos/get-photo.asp?photoid=779

http://www.fbodyaddict.com/photos/get-photo.asp?photoid=783

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 4, 2004 3:41 PM
Oh, I love those Anglias and Thames. The very first drag race car I remember seeing and the one that got me interested in this sport in the first place was a photo of the Kohler Bros. Anglia! I wonder what my life would have been like if I never saw that car?
WF
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 4, 2004 5:35 PM
Thats a sweet car for shure. Love them light weight car's of old.
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Posted by old coyote on Wednesday, February 4, 2004 5:56 PM
Got a look at the pictures Walter .................... great looking cars ............... I love the Road Runner ............. what an absolute classic piece .............. and the S/G Cuda is nice too .................. but like you, I'm not a big fan of Super Gas (but then again, I'm not a big fan of indexes, breakouts, throttle solenoids, etc .................... guess I'm not a "geezer" .............. I'm just an "old fart" Big SmileBig Smile

Wonderful cars, thanks for sharing the pictures WinkWink

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 4, 2004 6:10 PM
Walter are you announcing at Cecil in August for NHRA? I always head up to Cecil for the big events. I also go to buds creek for the IHRA Presidents cup. Thats a sweet road runner, is it an original 440 6 pack?
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 4, 2004 9:20 PM
Hi Z,
Probably won't do the LODRS race at Cecil. I have more responsibilities at E-T own making it harder to get away. I will do the LODRS race at Lebanon Valley and of course E-Town.
Yes, the bird is an orig. 6bbl car. Only saw street duty for 6009 miles when new. It's a pretty clean car, never took the heater box or wiper stuff out. I like to goof around with people when they check it out in the staging lanes. I will either tell them " I just found it in a barn last month, got it from an old lady for five hundred bucks" And before they recover from that shock, I hit them with " Next season, I'm gonna give it a full chassis and run it in Super Gas". Yeah, I know, I'm cruel.
WF
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Posted by old coyote on Thursday, February 5, 2004 7:19 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Walter Frey
I like to goof around with people when they check it out in the staging lanes. I will either tell them " I just found it in a barn last month, got it from an old lady for five hundred bucks" .


Now that is cruel ............ very cruel Big SmileBig Smile You're a mean man Mr. Frey WinkWink

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Posted by 1320wayne on Saturday, February 7, 2004 9:41 PM
Hey Walter! I just checked out the pictures and they bring back vivid memories for me; especially the winers circle picture from Lebanon Valley. I grew up in New England and I practically lived at Lebanon Valley. I used to raise all heck as a child down by the river next to the track. I even fell out of one of the trees next to the starting line and broke my collarbone; in front of everyone. Now thatwas embarrassing! My dad was a street eliminator track points champion back in 78 driving a 69 Hemi Roadrunner. Anyway, thanks for the pictures.
"Those who try, get passed up by those who do" "Life comes at you a quarter mile at a time" http://public.fotki.com/1320wayne/
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 7, 2004 10:14 PM
I love Lebanon Valley. I try to make it up there every 4th of July weekend. This year they asked me to announce the Lucas Oil Series race and their Mopar/Nostalgia weekend.
Can't wait!
WF

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