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Tommy Ivo Showboat -- Worst Engineered Kit Ever, Ever, Ever !!!!"

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  • From: Inverness, IL
Tommy Ivo Showboat -- Worst Engineered Kit Ever, Ever, Ever !!!!"
Posted by JohnnyK on Friday, July 06, 2018 8:41 PM

I was getting burned out building model airplanes, so I decided to build a model car for a change. I thought that it would be fun to build Tommy Ivo's four engine Showboat. What a mistake. 

 

 

 

Each engine is composed if at least 30 parts. That's 120 parts for four engines. For some odd reason, Revell decided to make the engine block out of three parts (that does not include the two heads). Why did Revell feel that they needed to make a detailed casting of the crankshaft? Okay, now comes the crazy part. The exhaust headers for each engine are composed of ten parts. Eight seperate pipes and two flanges (flanges not shown) . That means that there are 40 exhaust parts for four engines. I enjoy detailing car engines, but this kit is out of control.

 

The four exhaust headers for each side of the engine have to be glued to a flange. There is also a sink hole in each pipe that is visible. Also, the ends of the pipes are molded closed???? Worst yet, the alaignment pins at the ends of the pipes do not fit into the flange holes even after the chrome plating is scraped off. The holes need to enlarged.  Revell provides a jig for assembling the headers. The problem is that only one pipe can be glued to the flange at a time untile the glue cures.  The first pipe will be knocked out of alignment when a second pipe is glued to the flange if the glue for the first pipe is not cured. There are 32 pipes that need to glued to 8 flanges. If the glue for each pipe needs to cure over night it will take 32 days to assemble the headers!!! Really!!! Who at Revell came up with this insane idea? Why didn't Revell cast the headers as one piece? Did nobody at Revell try to assemble these headers?

 

Following is the instructions for assembling the headers. Does this makes sense? 

 

Next, the intake injection stacks are about 1/4" long. There are 32 of them. The flared ends are damaged when they are cut from the spures.  Plus, the alaignment pins on the stacks do not fit into the holes in the intake manifold!!!!

 

The only cool thing about this kit is a statue of Tommy.

Life is way too short to spend a month assembling exhaust headers. I am going to assemble one complete engine then decide if it is worth finishing this kit.

 

 

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  • From: Bombala, Australia
Posted by aussiemuscle308 on Friday, July 06, 2018 9:22 PM
i'd say keep going, but it's not like i'm helping you directly. I'd be searching around for alternative components. someone surely has ran into the same issues and used another kit, or even 3d printed some correct one piece manifolds. hell, steal some engines from a diecast.
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Posted by Dale Gribble on Friday, July 06, 2018 11:39 PM

Johnny , 

 

 What you are looking at was a marvel of Revell engineering when that kit was made back in the late 1960s .  If you look at that kit from the standpoint of the era, it is an amazing kit, , but difficult to build .

 

 That engine was top-of-the-line design, and the base engine was used across the Revell line in multiple kits .  

 

Now, with that said ....that kit does not live up to today's manufacturing or engineering standards ,  and many parts will have to be modified, scratch built, or out right replaced to have a suitable replica .  

 

At the end of the day though you have to applaud Revell for reissuing something that was skyrocketing in price due to small supply , speculators and demand .  

 

Don't let this experience get you down with the automotive side of model building. There are a lot of well engineered kits that are an absolute joy to build . 

"rare" kit? no such thing!

build it, dont let it sit on the shelf.....

you cant take it with you, hearses dont have luggage racks......

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  • From: Inverness, IL
Posted by JohnnyK on Saturday, July 07, 2018 9:59 AM

I have decided that the Showboat is going back on the shelf. Instead I will be building a 1/12 scale Ferrari 312T. Since it's a Tamiya kit it should be well engineered.

 

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Posted by gbeaird on Saturday, July 07, 2018 12:14 PM

Heh, I have both of these in my stash!!  Well, I have the 312T4 in 1:12, but I do have 'Showboat'.  Interesting about that jig.  I'd probably break out the 5 minute epoxy for that one, since it will at least cure fast enough to do several in one sitting, leaving overnight to let things set completely.  For the intake stacks, I'll probably employ some aluminum tubing, and flare the ends. 

Interesting about the view of the crank.  I might have to think about leaving a pan off and detailing the bottom end. 

Gene Beaird,
Pearland, Texas

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Posted by Eagle36 on Saturday, July 07, 2018 1:43 PM

Apparently, you've never built Revell's Mickey Thompson's Challenger I . . .

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  • From: Inverness, IL
Posted by JohnnyK on Saturday, July 07, 2018 2:26 PM

The exhaust pipes have huge sink holes in them. The only fix is to fill and sand the holes, remove the chrome and repaint in a chrome color. Is it worth doing that 32 times?

 

 

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Posted by JohnnyK on Saturday, July 07, 2018 2:28 PM

gbeaird

Interesting about the view of the crank.  I might have to think about leaving a pan off and detailing the bottom end. 

Gene Beaird,
Pearland, Texas

Here is a picture of the crank:

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  • From: Inverness, IL
Posted by JohnnyK on Saturday, July 07, 2018 2:29 PM

Eagle36

Apparently, you've never built Revell's Mickey Thompson's Challenger I . . .

 

No I haven't. Does that kit have issues?

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Posted by sflam123 on Sunday, July 08, 2018 5:47 PM
The Mickey Thompson Challenger kit is EXTREMELY detailed. The engines in it are every bit as complex as is the "Showboat" kit and the rest of "Challenger" kit is WAY more complicated than the "Showboat" kit. I've built three "Showboat" kits and recently completed my second "Challenger" kit, some 50 years after building it the first time. Patience on both kits is an absolute requirement, but when completed they are fantastic.
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  • From: Inverness, IL
Posted by JohnnyK on Monday, July 09, 2018 9:52 AM

sflam123
I've built three "Showboat" kits and recently completed my second "Challenger" kit, some 50 years after building it the first time. Patience on both kits is an absolute requirement, but when completed they are fantastic. 

Hi,

 

How did you deal with the sink holes in the exhaust pipes? They are very obvious.

 

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