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Michael Andretti Motorola Champ Car How many things can go wrong in one build?? Finished

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Michael Andretti Motorola Champ Car How many things can go wrong in one build?? Finished
Posted by justmike on Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:10 PM

This is one of the most difficult decal graphics I have ever encountered, and I have done 22 Indy/ Champ car models up to this point. I had to ask for some advice in Builders Corner because in all my years of doing these things I have never had to mask over decals to get the second color on the car. Doing a template of these is ny on impossible. Thanks Treehugger for your extensive advice. I cut out a small chunk of the carrier film to make sure it hadn't gotten brittle over the years and it seems to have laid down just fine. t.com/user/justmike2008/media/DSCF1928.jpg.html] [/URL]

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Posted by justmike on Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:17 PM

I had to make the rest of that suspension strut. The injected plastic didn't reach all the way to the end of the mold. I also did some filling to get the front of the side pod built out to match the car Michael drove.t.com/user/justmike2008/media/DSCF1908.jpg.html] [/U[URL=http://s284.photobuckeRL]

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Posted by justmike on Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:37 PM

This is the first time I have brush-painted the struts which is why there is so much white plastic showing on them. None of those unpainted areas are visible when the model is assembled so why waste the paint, right? Plus, I HATE scraping paint off of stuff to get a glue bond. Big Smile.

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Posted by Spencer Mopar Fan on Monday, September 25, 2017 6:45 AM

Surprise Good luck getting those little struts all together Mike !

and those decals...Zip it!

At least Indy cars don't have 1,000,000,000,006r winglets like these modern F1 cars !

looks like a multi blade wetshave razor the front ends on them LOL 

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Posted by texwardfan on Monday, September 25, 2017 8:39 AM

This is going to be awesome. I'm subscribed

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Posted by justmike on Monday, September 25, 2017 2:05 PM

lol  So true Spencer. I can't imagine what it would be like to glue all those little puppies together. The guys who create the kits for those type of F1 cars must just curse the designers. As for me, this does not bode well. My first decal broke so I am painting the roll bar. Please do not let this be a harbinger of things to come!!

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Posted by justmike on Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:32 PM

Well, this may not look like much but its 3 hours of work there. I still need to put this red pinstriping on the rear wing and endplates, let everything dry for a number of days, clear coat and then attempt the masking over decals phase. Ugh. Fortunately none of these have torn and they are compatible with the Walthers solvaset. This is gonna be a looooonnnnng process!

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Posted by Gary Davis on Friday, October 06, 2017 11:04 PM

Man Mike...this is really looking good. I've never masked over decals either. I'm interested in this out come.

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Posted by justmike on Saturday, October 07, 2017 4:30 PM

Hi Gary. At this point the model has been clearcoated with 3 mist coats, 2 medium coats and then one heavy with an automotive acrylic enamel. I am letting it cure fully for a whole week because once I start applying the tape I figure its going to be on that clear for a long time and I do NOT want to mess this up, so patience is being tested, which means that FINALLY this Monday I will be able to start masking over top of the decals.

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Posted by justmike on Sunday, October 08, 2017 7:38 PM

So here I am after about 45 minutes of masking. 

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Posted by justmike on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 7:18 PM

So after 8 mist coats of Tamiya X4 blue and one day of drying time this is what I got. How that blue got under all that tape on the nose by the front of the sidepod is beyond me. I am not happy about how much blue got under the tape in a lot of other areas resulting in such jagged edges, but considering how thinly the strips of Tamiya masking tape was cut and how it doesn't want to stay on despite burnishing when it is that thin, I can live with it. I will now wait at least a week before I clear coat to make sure the blue is fully cured. 

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Posted by justmike on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 7:21 PM

Here is the other side. I am happy to relate that today I got all the blue in all the wrong places off of the white and off the decals with some 3200 and 4000 grit sanding pads without going through the clear and into the decals !!

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Posted by modelcarjr on Monday, October 23, 2017 6:46 AM

Looks great, Mike! I don't think I would attempt this! I don't remember this racer so maybe you can describe the racing season for this one.  Makes me want to build another Indy Car. Nice work on yours! CoolThumbs UpBow

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Posted by texwardfan on Monday, October 23, 2017 7:05 AM

justmike

Here is the other side. I am happy to relate that today I got all the blue in all the wrong places off of the white and off the decals with some 3200 and 4000 grit sanding pads without going through the clear and into the decals !!

 

If i had been using 3200 grit i would have definitly gone through the clear. great job on this one.

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Posted by nickyfzr on Tuesday, October 24, 2017 4:29 PM

Thats coming along real nice Mike. I thought about doing some F1 cars in that scale but decided I'm better off sticking to the 1/12 scale stuff. Good job cleaning up the overspray. 

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Posted by Tom Louis on Tuesday, October 24, 2017 5:42 PM

Good job! That must not have ben easy!

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Posted by Bainford on Tuesday, October 24, 2017 7:39 PM

Nice work saving the blue edges, Mike. And I see the decals have held up well under the abuse of being masked over.

Power matters in the straights.
Lightness matters everywhere. - Colin Chapman

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Posted by justmike on Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:08 PM

Thanks guys. I had to share all my woes with this build. First of all, I used the wrong nose cone and didn't clue in until way to late. Dumb. That mistake meant I couldn't use all the red pinstripe decals on there. So I have had to do the best I could with that. you can refer to earlier pictures on this thread to see what I mean.

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Posted by justmike on Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:12 PM

... and of course I forgot to add a red stripe on the inside white part of the side pod which I had told myself not to forget and myself said I won't. Next time I write stuff down cause obviously I can't remember squat. lol  Two pictures coming up. Can you spot the difference?

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Posted by justmike on Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:17 PM

See the diff with the two red stripes?  And boy do those jagged masking lines ever bug me. At least no decals came off so I will console myself with that. What I should have done was sprayed a coat of white on the masking job, which was covering white anyway, and THEN airbrushed the blue on. I really thought umpteen bazillion, ( well 8 ) light coats of blue wouldn't have wept under the tape like it did. Lesson learned  

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Posted by justmike on Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:23 PM

I gotta say I don't like airbrushing with gloss acrylics. The flats are fantastic but so far gloss has not been kind to me. I decided to coat the blue with Future instead of trying to use polishing pads, and for the first time ever it looks like the Walther decal soft reacted with the stuff. I sure do hope I can get the blue restored with a bit of polish.

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Posted by justmike on Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:25 PM

and finally I go and do a dumb thing like try to bend a glued on piece off a bit of sprue instead of using a razor saw. Sometimes I gotta wonder what I am thinking. Wait!! I'm not!!  Ha! Wait'll I tell you about the tires. But thats later in this build

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Posted by justmike on Wednesday, November 01, 2017 5:13 PM

Before I forget. The tires. Yeah. I put the decals on but forgot to do the gloss coat on the tire so when I put a coat of dullcote enamel on them of course it just went and glossy and stayed wet. So I had to use scotch tape and pull the decals and dullcote off and do 'em over.  aarrgghhh!  But she's done and for the most part I have managed to solve all the little issues I had. Its not my best build by any stretch but its presentable in the display case.

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Posted by justmike on Wednesday, November 01, 2017 5:15 PM

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Posted by justmike on Wednesday, November 01, 2017 5:18 PM

I had to change the placing of the number 39 because there was no way I would trust that decal soft would get it to sink into the divots on that endplate

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Posted by justmike on Wednesday, November 01, 2017 5:34 PM

Even though a fair bit of the decal placement was guesswork and a lot of reference pics the good thing is that at every race the graphics seemed to be a bit different. There really is no one right placement.

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Posted by justmike on Wednesday, November 01, 2017 5:36 PM

Final shot. Now I get to start the Telefonica car, and then the Roberto Moreno one and I have done every one of the Champ Car series thats out there.

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Posted by texwardfan on Wednesday, November 01, 2017 5:41 PM

Awesome , Excellent build, Mike. Super clean and perfect decal work.

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Posted by chucky on Wednesday, November 01, 2017 5:50 PM

Mike, I generally don't look a the open-wheel posts but something made me stop by today. I'm glad you posted this one! It takes a true love of the hobby to stick with a build like this. Your determination and resolve deserve commendation. We all have those little screw-ups on occasion and this "defective" kit presented additional challenges. Hopefully this play-by-play serves to inspire others in similar situations. Thumbs Up

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Posted by justmike on Wednesday, November 01, 2017 6:54 PM

Thankyou Chucky and Tex. The only defect in this kit was ME and my work. I guess I was kinda rushing this one in some ways but I know better and will slow down for the next two. 

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