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Bonneville/"salt-flat" type hot rods

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  • From: nw GA
Bonneville/"salt-flat" type hot rods
Posted by bill mathewson on Monday, February 23, 2004 1:48 PM
Looking for info on 'correct' salt-flat type tires available from aftermarket or kit-sourced in 1/25, 1/16 and 1/8 scales. .Anyone building salt-flat hot rods? They are the real beginnings of today's street rods-early Ts, As, ' 32s, ' 36s, & '39/'40 Fords and '37-'39 Chevys. There are many other wierd and wonderful salt-flat prototypes for inspiration and lets not forget the '53-'54 Studebaker coupes. I've been building models since before AMT came out with its first release of the '32 Ford roadster , yet there have been relatively few models of salt-flat cars kit-bashed over the years, and never any accurate kits for one from any of the model companies. We now have a wealth of great starting points due to recent (and some not so recent) products from the biggies as well as the resin casters. Is anyone up to the challenge to embark on something different? Aren't some of you sick of only going just 1/4 of a mile or running around in circles?[
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 23, 2004 9:36 PM
I've been wanting to do some old salt flat cars myself (along with a thousand other projects).
I'm probably wrong, but didn't some racers use aircraft tires?
Might want to check aircraft kits.
just a thought

Chris
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 2:00 AM
I am a big fan of salt flat racing, and build my models in the theme. I havent found anyone who makes salt racing tyres so I make them myself.
I HATE aftermarket parts, I prefer to make everything myself unless Im bound by time restraints.
The aftermarket parts are taking the skill out of model building
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  • From: Trondheim, Norway
Posted by Slabbedask on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 3:33 AM
Salt racers are cool, I've got some that I made. For tires I just chuck a tire (The old AMT Firestones are good) in a drill, and give it a rounder profile with some medium grit sandpaper. It might not be prototypically correct, but I think it looks OK.
You're never too old to have a happy childhood...! http://public.fotki.com/slabbedask/
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 26, 2004 3:37 PM
Hey all of you "salt shaker" fans, check this out!
http://hapico.com/01_Resin/CMW/24001/index.htm
Gotta get one of these!
WF
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 27, 2004 12:55 AM
Way cool, but those wheels are off the old Monogram(?) kits like the Grasshopper T roadster. Still not quite right for a totaly correct period salt racer........
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 27, 2004 7:41 AM
Don't some modern LSRs use funny car "front runner" tires? I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere. There are lots of funny car kits out there in 1/24 and even 1/16. If you're looking for slicks, use super glue to fill in the tread on a front runner and have a resin guru make copies.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 27, 2004 8:00 AM
get a book called " bonneville salt flats" by a guy named noeth.find a site called
abebooks.com and do a search they have it.i own this book and it is a great ref.
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  • From: Denver
Posted by dag65 on Friday, February 27, 2004 12:07 PM
YOu could use this method to shape a tire
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=167087
And this one to cast your own
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=188447
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=189039

If I can be of any help let me know
D
I want to be a race car passenger: just a guy who bugs the driver. "Say man, can I turn on the radio? You should slow down. Why do we gotta keep going in circles? Can I put my feet out the window? Man, you really like Tide..." http://public.fotki.com/BigPoppa/darins_stuff-1/
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 1, 2004 10:52 PM
dag65, good links and that tire jig is one hell of a lit better than the one I made!!
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  • From: Denver
Posted by dag65 on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 2:10 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by docwatson1938

dag65, good links and that tire jig is one hell of a lit better than the one I made!!

You are quire welcome, I wrote those myself and I have to say I am getting some mileage out of them!
I want to be a race car passenger: just a guy who bugs the driver. "Say man, can I turn on the radio? You should slow down. Why do we gotta keep going in circles? Can I put my feet out the window? Man, you really like Tide..." http://public.fotki.com/BigPoppa/darins_stuff-1/
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 5:45 PM
hey dag thanks for the links,will come in very handy!!!one question,,,....i saw somewhere that some big teams have their wheels made of solid aluminum..no rubber tire at all...THRUST ,the current record holder (last time i checked) has these wheels....care to comment?Tongue
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 10:13 PM
If anyone’s interested...........................
The LSR cars have aluminium wheels and tyres as the salt is so abrasive that at higher speeds there is not a rubber compound that can stand up to the punishment.
The Thrust SSC car at speed was designed so that the rear wheels didn’t touch the ground! Now that’s ground effects!!
I met the driver Andy Green while he was in Australia jumping at the Army Parachute Nationals, nice guy. He told me the way he was chosen to drive the car was that they thought a fast jet pilot would know how to handle the speeds so they asked for RAF pilots to volunteer, he put his name down and it just so happened that he was the only one available at the time!!! Talk about luck of the draw!!
He is a vet of the gulf war flying Tornado fighter bombers in combat!!

Here is a link to the Thrust SSC web site.
http://www.thrustssc.com/thrustssc/contents_frames.html
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 3:45 AM
really....and here i was thinking they made the wheels from aluminum because the centrifugal forces generated at those high speeds would simply tear the tires from the rim,,,,,,well you learn something new every dayCool
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  • From: Denver
Posted by dag65 on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 11:41 AM
Interesting stuff guys.
Aluminum is a piece of cake to simulate with Metalizer paints, or if a guy got really ambitious and had a lathe and mill , hmmmm real aluminum!!!!!!!
I want to be a race car passenger: just a guy who bugs the driver. "Say man, can I turn on the radio? You should slow down. Why do we gotta keep going in circles? Can I put my feet out the window? Man, you really like Tide..." http://public.fotki.com/BigPoppa/darins_stuff-1/
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 5, 2004 10:05 PM
hey docwatson1938.. strange fact that the rear wheels come off the ground at speed....strange because the car is rear steer....the fronts are locked straight...talk about a white knuckle ride...Big SmileBig SmileBig Smile
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 6, 2004 9:30 AM
The car had an aircraft type rudder installed, he showed us a video he made of the week they spent prepping the car and racing it, you don’t usually get a sense of speed on the salt but he did!! He also suffered control reversal punching through the compression wave as he broke the speed of sound, threw him around the small cockpit rather violently!

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