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chopped highboy model A coupe
Posted by rustyroach on Tuesday, January 06, 2015 7:27 PM

this is my first attempt at a WIP thing .Not only am I struggling with the build but also the photos and the posting of the photos. it's a very stressful endeavor. I didn't start taking photos from the very start; we were between cameras. Wifey bought a nice  Samsung with a 36x optical zoom and a bunch of cool automatic features for under 200 bucks... but I digress...The idea was to emulate as closely as I could the A-bone on the back cover of  Car Culture DeLuxe in a Coker tire ad. The thing just hit me as totally insane and I had to build a miniature of it. The only 30-31 A coupe available, as far as I was able to find, was the Monagram 30 coupe, the one that was intended as a stock "classic". The roof is actually a separate piece from the body and the detail really sucks. My idea was to use the Revell  32 5 window kit for the chassis and suspension and I have stolen the Hemi from the AMT 53 F-100 for the power plant. I haven't figured out the fine points yet but I really needed to get it started. I did the chop Gas Monkey style with the backlite chopped less than the roof. I think it looks better that way, please forgive me. it's a proportion thing.I couldn't abide the crappy detail of the belt molding so Evergreen to the rescue. I have to confess that the belt molding thing is an experiment for a future project. So far, so good. Anyway here's a few pix of what I've done so far. Comments welcome

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Posted by rustyroach on Tuesday, January 06, 2015 7:57 PM

I have tried to keep the body as close to the "target"as i can but the pictures of the 1:1 are limited to just 2 views so I had to "imagine" what doesn't show in the pix. I have no knowledge of the drivetrain other than the old Hemi so I used the rear end from the Revell '31 tudor kit and the combined parts from the R 31 and R 32 for the front axle. This hurts me deeply because, for some reason, the dropped beam axle in the R 31 kit was missing. I was forced to use the tube axle from the R 32 kit. Not correct. maybe it will turn up but for now... tube axle requires 4 link but I need to use hairpins to be correct. I hope no one will notice. OK, thats it for now.

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Posted by ragtop63 on Tuesday, January 06, 2015 8:12 PM

Dude this is going to be awesome. I have one of those Monogram '30 kits waiting to be built, but there is so much on the bench right now.

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Posted by rustyroach on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 5:47 AM
Hey, ragtop, thanks for the kind words. There are more than one version of the 30 coupe and I hope you have a better one than I got. I wish Revell would produce a 1:25 30, 31 coupe with a one piece body; they can't possibly think that this 1:24 kit is the cat's pajamas. Most of the real steel hot rods on the planet are Model A's. You would think there would be an abundance of kits for this popular platform. ESPECIALLY the coupe! They should make a kit that includes the 32 rails! The 31 Tudor kit has a lot of the right stuff included but it doesn't quite get there. Does the picture on the box look like a rat rod ?? Some nerve they got.

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Posted by maniacalmodeler on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 11:21 AM

Great looking model A! I am looking forward to more!

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Posted by gbk1 on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 12:24 PM

You've got it right! I totally agree that rear windows need to be chopped independently of the greenhouse in order to be able to control the window proportions all the way around. Other than the pre-chopped A-bone recently introduced by Replicas & Miniatures Co. of Maryland there is not a decent alternative in the aftermarket so this is the way to go, especially if you want to correct the beltline molding

I'm looking forward to the chassis and stance work you'll be doing. I did one of these several years ago when I first returned to the hobby. Revellogram had just re-issued this kit. It's not a highboy, which IMHO is actually far more difficult to get right on this body (vs. a Deuce), and it suffers from my limited skills as I got going again. Can't wait to see one of these properly done.

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Posted by rustyroach on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 6:36 PM
Thanks for your interest, gbk1, I am really only getting into this again myself. I absolutely love coupes of the thirties and the model A is the baddest of the lot, with the 36 and 40 following close behind. The deuce is a given with most aficionados but not me. But the 32 grille is a must for the A rod and the 27 T as well. This particular 1:1 that I am modelling has an un-filled shell but the shells from both Revell 32 coupes are filled. I need one from the AMT roadster kit to be correct. Maybe there is an aftermarket unit I can use. This gets expensive if more than a few kits get bashed to build one car. This forum is a very valuable tool for this type of building and I really appreciate all the input you all are willing to give. A lot of us here are learning new skills and techniques and it's great fun for me.

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Posted by rustyroach on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 7:01 PM
Oh, by the way, gbk, the stance of the 1:1 appears to be dead level. My eye tells me that, on this particular car, it looks good. There may be a very slight "rubber rake". That's the way I will probably play it. The feeling I get from the 1:1 is that it's not a high tech job. Just very basic, speed is the priority sort of hot rod. The finish is weathered and includes a bit of rust. That's where I'll be breaking new ground. The finish is really what this build is all about because without that it's just another really cool chopped A.

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Posted by rustyroach on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 7:12 PM

this is the 1:1 I am using as my target.

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Posted by Dodge_Driver on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 7:15 PM

She's looking good, rustyroach. Can't wait to see that six-deuce Hemi between the rails!

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Posted by gbk1 on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 10:23 PM

Hi Rusty,

Be merciless about the rake. If it doesn't speak to you keep looking for it. Don't pre-think it. Camera angles can be deceiving but seeing the model in 3-D will tell all.

The Revell Rat Roaster kit has the emblem molded into the grill shell. The Model Car Garage Photo-Etch kit for the Revell Deuce 3-window will also provide a beautifully recreated badge and trim and is compatible with all Revell grill shells.

When you locate proper tires for this car, if they replicate the 1:1, be sure to tell us. In my opinion they are a key element.

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Posted by rustyroach on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 10:27 PM
Thanks,DD, the hemi is next. I need it for the mock-up and it looks like there's not enough room. May need to re-engineer the firewall or extend the frame.I need to gain about 1/16" - 3/32". It seems I do a lot of re-engineering these days.


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Posted by Spex84 on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 11:23 PM

Sweet! Love this build so far, you're doing some really nice work with the chop, louvered trunk, beltline molding, wheelwell beads, etc.

In fact, it looks vaguely familiar...here's mine, along very similar lines:

cs.scaleautomag.com/.../104666.aspx

I found in order to fit the Hemi from the '53 kit I had to shave the "humps" off of the firewall and cheat a little by shaving some depth out of the water pump/timing cover so it didn't force the grille shell forward. I had to move the front crossmember and grille forward a tad, and lengthen the hood. For reference, the optional '32 hood and grille from the Revell '31 Woody street rod are about the right dimensions, no modification needed.

The Revell '31 touring has the guide-style headlights like the 1:1 you're using as reference, and the AMT '32 phantom vickie has great lakes-style headers that will match the port spacing on the hemi and look just like the reference. In a pinch paintbrush ferrules can make great lakes headers.

I wish Revell also knew that hairpins and tube axles don't mix!

If you want to get the nose down, it might take a c-notch in the frame or even a Doane Spence style spring-behind suspension setup. I had trouble getting enough rake on my build and ended up modifying an axle to have more drop.

Looking foward to seeing where this build goes!

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Posted by rustyroach on Thursday, January 08, 2015 5:34 AM
Thanks for the great Intel on the grille shell dilemma,gbk1, it's one of the important details. Tires are a big problem, though. I'm ok with the ones I have on it now because I don't expect to find anything like the ones on the reference car. You are exactly right about those tires being a key element and if anyone can find THOSE tires....I will be indebted.

Spex, man...wow! Much, much cleaner than my build. I'm fumbling around in the dark compared to what I just looked at. I ran over it fast but later today I'm going to read through it. There's a lot of learning to be done. I didn't expect this much attention on my posting but apparently I've gotten the right attention. I appreciate all the help , everyone!!

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Posted by funman1712 on Thursday, January 08, 2015 8:01 AM

Heh Rusty....great start.  I'll be watching your progress closely as this is a model subject very near and dear to my heart.  

I have a few suggestions for you....

1) buy the October 2014 issue of Scale Auto,..it has an 8 page highly detailed build of a similar (though not exactly the same) chopped '31 Model A Coupe on '32 rails, including 39 how-to photos/steps, additional photos with info on the completed model, and a complete source/parts list.  Combined with the excellent suggestions already posted in this thread, it should give you a wealth of ideas as you go forward.  

2) Here are links to a couple of my Fotki Albums with '31 Model A Chopped Coupes.  

a) the 2014 Lonestar Rod and Custom Roundup in Austin, Tx:  public.fotki.com/.../2014-texas-lonestar  The most traditional hot rod styled chopped '31 Five Windows start at around page five of the album at this link.  They look superb!  

b) detailed photos of two chopped '31 A Five Windows at the 2014 NSRA Nats North: public.fotki.com/.../193031-model-a-coupe-1

Finally, like some of the suggestions here, I'd love to see a newly-tooled 1/25th scale '31 Model A Five Window (or any '31 bodystyle that isn't already offered),  preferably done in a "Traditional Hot Rod" style.  Until such time as such a kit might actually appear, the approach you've taken, or the one suggested in the Scale Auto article referenced above, is the way to go.  

Good luck and best wishes with your project......

TIM BOYD  

Update...I also agree with Bernard that you should feel very free to adapt the build to your own tastes...e.g. if you want a rake, even a major rake...go for it.  And did I mention how much I liked your louvered decklid and your improved bodyside/beltline molding work?  

TIM    

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Posted by rustyroach on Thursday, January 08, 2015 4:39 PM
Thanks Tim, I really appreciate your interest in this build. I wish I could find more pix of this 1:1 because I really love the way it feels and I would like to know more about it. The Coker ad has no credits on the car, just the tire/wheel combo, and nothing on their site either. I guess I'll just have to plug in the unknowns to the best of my imagination. I will search more on the net for it though. One question for you...is there a '31 coupe kit out there somewhere? All I could find was this awful Monogram rendition of a '30. I'm not too concerned about the scale disparity, it just saves me from having to pinch the frame. I have moved the front cross member ahead to accommodate the hemi but that also serves to bring the wheel base more into line with the scale of the body. I'm rambling... Anyway, back to work. Thanks again.

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Posted by Spex84 on Thursday, January 08, 2015 5:08 PM

As far as I know, there is no '31 coupe model available in styrene. Too bad, I'd buy a whole stack of them!

I did some sleuthing for you: you're looking for Chadly Johnson's '30 Ford, as seen here:

http://www.newportclassiccars.com/car-db/1930-Chadly-Coupe

And here is a HAMB thread on model A's on '32 frames. The Chadly coupe appears part way down, but there are lots of other great shots of how people have engineered their builds.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/model-a-on-1932-frame-picture-thread-all-bodies.657692/page-10

Also, thanks for the reference pics, Tim!

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Posted by funman1712 on Thursday, January 08, 2015 9:19 PM

Rusty....as Spex mentioned above, there is no 1/25th scale '30/'31 Ford Five Window Coupe kit.

There are resin bodies....including the Replicas and Miniatures casting, Jimmy Flintstone, and R&R Vacuumcraft; all three are pictured in the Scale Auto article referenced previously.  All are chopped but they differ in details.  I recommend the Replicas and Miniatures piece; that one was used for the article build.  

BTW, the article also shows how the firewall was recessed (for an early Olds V8 in this case).  

The engine you are copying could be built from the 392 Hemi in the Revell '32 5W Coupe kit, and all the accessories you need (rocker covers, log intake, carbs...) are available from Replicas and Miniatures of Maryland.  A photo of this type of engine (using the parts mentioned) is in the "Hot Rod V8's Update" article in Scale Auto about a half year ago.  

One more thing....don't be too troubled by using hairpin radius rods with the tube front axle. Yes, for many years this was "verbotten", and it sold a ton of four-bar radius rods over years (and magazine ads) as well, but more recently I have read comments from some chassis builders that the "binding" that supposedly results from using Hairpins with solid tube axles is more of a myth than fact.  

TIM

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Posted by rustyroach on Thursday, January 08, 2015 9:21 PM

 Wow Spex, thats very cool of you to find that car. I really appreciate that. Problem now is that I have to start all over again. Ha Ha Ha..... Plan B... The Green Grenade!

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Posted by Spex84 on Thursday, January 08, 2015 9:23 PM

I think the tube axle/hairpins thing is one of those funky engineering choices that might not be 100% sound, but looks good and generally works fine anyway. Kind of like stuffing a giant hemi in a car from the 1930s!

*EDIT: oh yeah, the Green Grenade is fantastic. Two other faves: Brian Bass's hemi coupe, and Mark Ford's.

All three are/were run in bare metal...crazy maintenance, but man does it ever look good.

And this is why I have a problem with the 1/24 Monogram body: it takes a lot of work to correct, it's still the wrong scale, and in order to really be happy I'd need to build about a half dozen model A coupes...so a proper '30 coupe in 1/25 would be fantastic. For now, resin might be the answer!

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Posted by 70CudaTJ on Thursday, January 08, 2015 10:47 PM
I really like where this is going. Nice work so far. Photos are good too, I like close up detail pics.
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Posted by rustyroach on Thursday, January 08, 2015 11:09 PM

 Oh, TJ, you like slow progress? I'll show ya slow progress! BTW, I got details too...

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Posted by rustyroach on Thursday, January 08, 2015 11:39 PM

yeah Spex, I think we should start a petition drive culminating in a full page ad in Scale Auto stating "We, the undersigned, demand the kitting of a proper "31 A Coupe  with two engine choices( a Firedome Hemi with 6 97s and a Mercury flattey with trips), a deuce frame, three rear ends and 6 extra dropped beam axles, plated and unplated. And don't forget the weed burners." Revell, are you listening? And while you're at the drawing board how about a '35 three-window with a nail-head and a J-2 Rocket for options.

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Posted by funman1712 on Friday, January 09, 2015 8:15 AM

Pictures of two chopped '31 Model A's from 2014 Lonestar Rod and Custom Roundup, Austin, TX. First...Nailhead powered....

Then Early Hemi powered....

More below and additional photos of these two cars at this link:  http://public.fotki.com/funman1712/11-scale-automotive/2014-texas-lonestar/page5.html

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Posted by funman1712 on Friday, January 09, 2015 8:19 AM

More pictures.....

Engine compartment closeup of the second car shown in the post immediately above....

Another one with Early Hemi power....

Further supporting the views expressed in your posts above, anyone who still doubts that '30/'31 Model A Chopped Five Window Coupes are anything less than one of the top/hottest trends in the hot rod world right now, should spend a bit of time going through this photo album!  

TIM

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Posted by funman1712 on Friday, January 09, 2015 8:41 AM

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Posted by funman1712 on Friday, January 09, 2015 8:46 AM

Channeled '30/'31 A Five Window Chopped Coupes (typically running Z'ed Model A Chassis) are also hot...

And here's a Model A Chopped Coupe on '32 Rails, but with a very slight chop (or possibly no chop at all)....

And now back to our original theme....

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Posted by funman1712 on Friday, January 09, 2015 8:57 AM

If you have the Rep&Miniatures body, or the Monogram Model A, you could modify it to a chopped Model A "Sport Coupe" like the one shown here (I have an ancient resin casting of this Sport Coupe top for the Model A body, i think it may have been from Randy Austin or possibly The Good Stuff)...but PLEASE lose the Fad T headers and wheels/wide tires here...they are totally era-incorrect, as I'm sure most of you know...

Another channeled Model A chopped five window coupe...

And finally, this highboy on '32 rails...

Hope these photos provide some further inspiration/ideas for your builds....

TIM

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Posted by funman1712 on Friday, January 09, 2015 9:57 AM

Oh what the heck...just one more.  This one was photographed last summer overlooking Lake Michigan at the Inn at Bay Harbor, near Petoskey...Michigan...

Cheers....TB 

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Posted by rustyroach on Friday, January 09, 2015 8:51 PM
That's a whole lot of inspiration, T.B., I really think it's the combination of the 6" chop and that visor... Has anyone tried to put together a coupe using the R. '31 Tudor and one of the deuce coupes? I thought about doing that before I found the M.'30. coupe. If I use the 3 window, it would be moving into the phantom realm. Thoughts? Weren't there '31s without visors sold as '32s? Think I read that somewhere. So what if...

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