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Monogram 1929 Ford Pick-up BLUE BEETLE
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 23, 2004 2:38 PM
Posted this in the "Where can I get" folder, but thought I also would post it here...

Looking for a 60's vintage model. I know the older kits may be very hard to find but my search continues. I'm still hoping Monogram will re-release this kit.

I'm looking for the Monogram 1929 Ford Pick-up BLUE BEETLE kit. I'm not looking for this kit to hold on to it and not building it, or for later selling it for profit.

This was a very special kit for me as I grew up in the 60's era as a boy building models. (I'm now 52) This kit for me was one of my all time favorites. It just brings back great memories of that era and building models. I would love to have this kit to rebuild again and put it on my desk to always remember some great days of the past. I think some of you can relate how something simple as a favorite model kit from your childhood can put a warm feeling in you only another life long builder can understand.

I found the kit (the only one I have ever seen so far) on ebay but it is a built kit . I'm looking for an unbuilt kit so I can have the pleasure of building it myself. Here is the link so you can see what I'm looking for.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5944799304&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

Any info on this kit welcomed......a big thank you!
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 23, 2004 2:49 PM
This may sound like a silly answer, but....why not buy the built-up off Ebay then get a reissued kit for 10 bucks? That way you can build the kit, get the original accessories, and have the original box. Just a thought from a cheapskate Smile
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 23, 2004 3:37 PM
Lee in Texas....Thank you for that great tip and idea. I did not know of the reissued kit out on the market. Sounds like a winner to me!

Thank you!
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 23, 2004 7:38 PM
Hey blkgnturbo,
Your post could very well have been written by me! I too have the Blue Beetle as my holiest of "holy grails". It was my very favorite kit as a young kid along with the Monogram woodie from the same era. I thought that the scuba gear was so cool, and that '29 looked terrific in the blue plastic.
If someone knows of this kit being re-issued, please let us know, but as far as I know, it is not currently available.
I have bid on this kit when it shows up on ebay on rare occasions only to drop out when the bidding exceeds $200.
Let's keep our fingers crossed and hope that it is eventually re-issued.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 24, 2004 9:46 AM
It was released a while ago, in the late 90s but it didnt have the scuba gear nor any of the other 'accessorys' the box has a pic of the model on it in yellow with black guards. Not a nice kit, the Revell 29 is much better.
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Posted by 46achers on Friday, December 24, 2004 10:50 AM
Sure glad I kept my Monogram Blue Beetle model, probably built it 25 years ago, out of the box., and that is not normal for me. As Doc said it was re-released ,sort of. The newer kit (early iron series) is molded in yellow and does not have the wide whiltes or the scuba gear in the kit, you CAN convert this kit back with some parts searching. Original kits are now very expensive Good luck chasing one down.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 24, 2004 12:08 PM
There are two reissues on Ebay right now:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2582&item=5944794277&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2585&item=5945271159&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 24, 2004 12:47 PM
Lee,
Thanks for the info.
I suppose that I could replicate the Beetle using the Early Iron kit.
WF
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 24, 2007 5:07 PM
Wow to think I posted this way back on 23 Dec 2004. Almost 3 years later and I'm still in search and hoping for a new release of the Blue Beetle. E-Bay auctions of this kit are only frustrating to watch as prices of this kit soar out of sight. I e-mailed Revell/Monogram and begged for a release of this kit just a week ago. If I only had the white-wall tires/wheels I would try and put together the '29 Early Iron kit and paint it to look as close as I could to the Blue Beetle. I was looking for "Lil coffin" kit as it looks like it has the same white-walls/wheels but with no luck.....My search and hope continues.
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Posted by del austin on Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:50 PM
Not familiar with the Blue Beetke version, but the first kit I ever built was the Monogram 29 Pickup. A crude kit by todays standards, but still one of my all time favorites. Good luck on your quest.
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Posted by zodc on Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:07 PM
I'll have to disagree with the (above) Monogram '29 Pickup as being crude. I think it's a well molded kit even in today's standards. It is part of the Blue Beetle lineage, however the Cadillac engine, (later releases minus'ed the six carbs), wheels and tires, plus scuba (skin diving) gear and surfboards were never included.

blkgnturbo, have you tried searching this forum? Several have the kit, and a handful of others have been hunting this one too! I originally signed up here because of the Blue Beetle I picked up (car only) and didn't know much about it at the time. At the time there were several others that were in the same position as you.

It comes on from time to time on eBay, but by all means do not rush and think it's the only one. I've seen auctions close for under 30 bucks for a complete original! Most people won't know "Blue Beetle" as it was named so this plays into the mix. Other sellers (that sell estate buyouts) will list it as make and model only, i.e. 1929 Ford Pickup Hauler or something so you gotta take the extra time and crawl the listings. Don't go too specific on eBay's search, it's broken! You have to keep it a bit general. I go to the top of the model section and enter the entire line below:

(1929, 29, Model A, truck, pickup, pick-up, hauler, blue beetle) Ford

It will list about two 300 listings, a lot of not wanted stuff, but I sit there and crawl. Far easier than 200 PAGES of listings.

Here's mines:


Good Lookin! You find it

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Posted by Moon Pie on Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:25 AM
What would it take to transform Monogram's '29 Ford kit into a Blue Beetle?
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Posted by zodc on Sunday, November 25, 2007 2:10 AM
Wheels and tires would be your main ingrediment... but aside from decals and the scuba gear and surfboard, you would need the following goodies:

Wheels and Tires
2 front, chrome reversed wheels with knock-off/spinners; a set of whitewall insert tires
-- the front tires are common to Monogram's whitewall insert tires ('56 Ford
2 rear, five spoke wheels with M&H Co. Racemaster Dragster 9.00 x 15 whitewall insert drag slicks

A pair of Cadillac valve covers with "Cadillac" in script
The engine block is the same as the Olds Mill found in other Monogram hot rod kits.

Interior:
The repopped kit has the correct panels but you need to get 2 bucket seats.

Other bits:
Tonneau cover
'40 Ford drum brakes for the front and rear also needed.

There might be more but this is from the top of my head.
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Posted by zodc on Sunday, November 25, 2007 2:30 AM
I forgot to mention the firewall is also slightly modified from the Original.
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Posted by del austin on Monday, November 26, 2007 4:38 PM
zodc, I shouldn't have said "crude" as this is one of my all time favorite kits. I think simplified (by todays standards) may be more what I was trying to say. Again, don't get me wrong, if they reissued this kit today I'd be one of the first in line to buy a few.
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Posted by Joe R. on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:50 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by zodc

Wheels and tires would be your main ingrediment... but aside from decals and the scuba gear and surfboard, you would need the following goodies:

Wheels and Tires
2 front, chrome reversed wheels with knock-off/spinners; a set of whitewall insert tires
-- the front tires are common to Monogram's whitewall insert tires ('56 Ford
2 rear, five spoke wheels with M&H Co. Racemaster Dragster 9.00 x 15 whitewall insert drag slicks

A pair of Cadillac valve covers with "Cadillac" in script
The engine block is the same as the Olds Mill found in other Monogram hot rod kits.

Interior:
The repopped kit has the correct panels but you need to get 2 bucket seats.

Other bits:
Tonneau cover
'40 Ford drum brakes for the front and rear also needed.

There might be more but this is from the top of my head.


I thought I would add some of my ideas to "clone" a blue beetle from the early iron series kit. (There was also a silver version that had a "ZZ top" theme to it.)

Front wheels: 2-from the Monogram Predicta
Rear wheels: 5-spoke mags and white wall slicks from the Lil Coffin or Boot Hill Express

Brake backing plates: Revell Easy Builder 32 Ford Roadster has some nice drum backing plates for all 4 wheels. This is kit was originally the Lil Duece from the 60's.

Cadillac Valve covers: AMT 59 El Camino (possibly other kits).

6 carb intake: Modified from the AMT 32 Ford 5-window (un-chopped). I have done this with my Early Iron 29 pick up. Take the intake/head combo from the 32 Ford and cut the heads off. File the intake at an angle and it fits the 29's Caddy engine pretty nice. You will have to remove the stacks from the 32's carbs and install small air cleaners to match the Blue Beetle.

The bucket seats and roll bar would be a little tougher to find.

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Posted by modelmike on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:10 PM
Blue Beetles are a great model to build but there not as plentiful as they use to be since I've started collecting in 1996.. If you want a "unbuilt Beetle you'll need to fork over the $100-$150 it will take to get it. Thats what my "minty" one sold for on ebay not to long ago (to valuable to build). Heres a picture of a partial built one I had to clean up alittle and bought for less than $50. Mostly glue globs but no paint and complete with some assembly. I rebuilt the motor that was already built and cleaned the glue mess up and is as far as I've gotten. Look for a partial built one. Its much cheaper and not that much more work if your careful what you buy. Make sure the seller knows that its complete and ask him questions. Its worth the search and you'll save alot of money.
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Posted by zodc on Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:01 AM
Cool score! Wow, the box is much larger than I thought. I got a good deal on mines. I only scored the truck only, as pictured in my post, and it was missing some minor parts (rear spring, etc.). It was built long ago with heavy paint on the inner cab but not the body, plus the decals were shot but it was worth the USD$5.00 price tag (excluding shipping).

Beware that BANDAI (Japanese model company) had released the Blue Beetle back in the days, but it was retooled (maybe completely different tooling?) and ruined it with motorized rear end. Also, lots of the parts were molded as one piece parts. There was more focus on motorized (Mabuchi motors) back then.

del austin, no probs! I agree it's a bit dated. Lots of people don't like the old Monogram kits because they were basic (no options) and whoop whoop this and that. I tend to like 'em, even the shiny plastic bodies! The Blue Beetle especially had a great color! Too bad they repopped in in YELLOW!

Joe R., cool tips! The exact six-carb can be found in the Monogram 1930 Woody, also of the Early Iron Series. That is also the same base kit as the Pickup. The AMT '59 El Camino will ]not have the correct Caddy valve covers. Those are the basic caps lettered covers. The Blue Beetle had cursive script, like this:


Also, do you know if the tires on those Boot Hill Express and Lil' Coffin kits have the lettering (on the white wall) too?
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Posted by zodc on Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:05 AM
Maybe this is a better picture of the valve cover script:


Also while I'm posting more images, this is the rear tire. Can you see the lettering?


Edit: Just wanted to add a link the my old thread too, it may have more info for those interested.
http://www.scaleautomag.com/sca/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=29091
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Posted by raisin27 on Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:29 AM
Maybe I am just remembering the good and and not the bad, but I certainly wouldnt call these kits crude. As a kid I always thought these Monogram models had a fit and finish a cut above the offerings from AMT and Revell. A certain "quality, or polish" feel to them. I remember kits like the Blue Beetle, Lil Coffin, ect molded in such nice plastic you really didnt want to paint them, I did a Monogram 58 T bird once that was molded in such a nice black plastic I think I would be hard pressed to beat the finish painting one today! They had nice clean chrome, and great tires.
Of course this was 35 years ago and maybe my 15 year old eyes saw things a bit differently than if I were to see the kit today.

Good luck in finding one, I know if I saw an original kit for a reasonable price it would be in my stash!

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Posted by Joe R. on Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:05 AM
zodc,

I'm not sure if the Boot Hill or Lil Coffin have the lettering on the white walls. I know what you are talking about because I am currently restoring an old Lil T and it has the lettered white walls for the slicks.
Thanks for the pics of the Caddy valve covers.
As for the intake in the 30 Woody, it looks like it would work, but I know the Woody uses a Chevy engine rather than the Caddy like the pick up. Even though some of the parts are shared between the two kits, the engines are different.
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Posted by Bainford on Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:25 AM
The Boot Hill does have the lettering on the white walls. It also has the brake backing plates shown in the pictures above.

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Posted by retro roder on Monday, December 03, 2007 1:26 PM
sorry about the fopar but you can get those buckets in revels 55 chevy street machine kit check the local michals kraft store, eyery on I've been to has it. it's there rerelecs of the 1965 kit the box will be a street burnners.




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Posted by carrucha on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:24 PM
If anyone is interested in restoring an original Blue Beetle model or build a clone from the Monogram reissue, Billy Gooche Decals offered reprints of the Blue Beetle decals. He is no longer in business but Model Express.net offers the Billy Gooche reprint Blue Beetle decals on their website.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 28, 2007 11:04 PM
Thanks for all the great tips and help here. I'm looking to find the Lil Coffin kit for the wheels and white-wall tires. As I have a Old Iron 29-PU series on it's way to me. I will continue my search. I tell you one thing, if any kit deserves to be re-issued it is the BLUE BEETLE! I have even written a letter to Revell hoping they will listen.....who knows?

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Posted by theflame on Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:20 AM
The Scuba gear is availible from Replicas and Miniatures of Maryland, as I recall...
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:29 PM
I wonder if anyone here has tried to replicate the Beetle using the Early Iron kit. Love to see some pic's of that.

Also starting to think about finding a spray color that is as close as possible to the blue colored plastic they used on the Beetle. I will try to find as close as possible. It's kind of a baby-blue but little darker shade. Should look nice with the white top and the cool white-wall tires.
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Posted by mvadrag on Saturday, December 29, 2007 2:23 PM
I agree that the old Monogram hot rod kits were some of the best kits made. The tools were so polished, you didn't have to paint the model! I think Monogram ruined the mold when they created the later versions of this kit. So I don't think they can reissue it without spending money on the tool.

The newer wheels were different so they changed the way the wheels attached to the axles. I restored an old Blue Beetle with some parts from an Early Iron Series yellow plastic 29 Ford Pickup. The front axles are different, the stubs are bigger on the later version. The interior parts are different too, no buckets.

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Posted by zodc on Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:04 PM
There are several members that have replicated the Blue Beetle from the Early Iron kit. Search the forums and it will pull up the threads.

Yeah, the old plastic (material) and the old Monogram kits were nice and glossy. Their Lincoln (39 40?) came in high gloss black and matte black on the rear fender guards; awesome!

I compared the six carbs of the Blue Beetle and the Woody. They are the same carbs but the intake manifold is different AND the 3x3 set up is closer together on the Early Iron version; the Early Iron version uses a Weiand intake. The three kits (Blue Beetle, Early Iron Woody and Early Iron Pickup) use the same base block for the engine. However, after the Blue Beetle, it was modified into the Olds mill and they "ruined" the heads and valve covers, then changed it into the Chevy mill. Maybe it was the Chevy mill then the Olds. The Olds and Caddy are very similar in 1:1, but the Olds version Early Iron has the big'ol high rise intake! Must have been the sign of the times!

I just passed on a chance for the Boot Hill! Argh! And did anyone catch the original Blue Beetle on eBay just last week? It was unbuilt and looked very complete! Went for 70 bucks!
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 29, 2007 6:18 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by zodc


And did anyone catch the original Blue Beetle on eBay just last week? It was unbuilt and looked very complete! Went for 70 bucks!


Wow, missed that one with all the Holiday stuff going on.

-Dave-

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