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rebel machine to build or nor to build
Posted by a.d.d.modeler on Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:47 PM

I have a completely mint 1979 johan rebel machine kit. All the parts are still on the trees and it has never been built or painted. Do I build it or save it and wait to find a restorable one to build?

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Posted by a.d.d.modeler on Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:47 PM

sorry, its a 1970.

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Posted by Stanger on Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:50 PM

It's only plastic. My opinion is build it.

Gerry

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Posted by fury3 on Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:39 AM

a.d.d.modeler

I have a completely mint 1970 Jo-Han AMC Rebel Machine kit. All the parts are still on the trees and it has never been built or painted. Do I build it or save it and wait to find a restortable one to build?

Having been an active member here since November 2004, (yes I know it indicates otherwise, but I had left for a short period a few years ago) this type of question has been asked many times prior...at times with some very heated discussions. I'm not going to give you my personal opinion on the matter (because it really doesn't matter) but will tell you that after observing these types of topics....almost always our fellow members will tell you to "build it". This forum seems to attract hobbyists that cater to creating/building model cars (go figure?ShockBig Smile)....not the model car kit collectors. Besides, if you build it (and others that may have kits similar to it), that is one less unbuilt kit surviving.....which if enough other kits are built usually causes the value of the remaining kits to increase. Like most things, there are pros and cons to going either way with your kit...do what you feels best and gives you satisfaction. FYI, I too have this kit, sealed...so far.Smile Fury3 

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Posted by fury3 on Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:05 AM

BTW, if you do decide to build this kit, research will tell you that the car (as factory stock) was available in the box arts "Frost White" exterior with the "Electric Blue Metallic" and Red trim was only one of the selections available...the other selected AMC Rebel colors were available as a standard mono tone scheme after the initial introduction of the vehicle. The decals in your kit are most likely dried up and will deteriorate if you try to use them. Keith Marks makes a decal set for this kit that is very accurate and complete. His website is http://public.fotki.com.mofobow  These decals are necessary even if you choose the mono tone paint scheme...they have the "The Machine" decal scripts used on various areas on the body. Wink Fury3

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Posted by SLUSHER on Friday, July 09, 2010 7:59 AM

you know life is short, it reallys comes down to build and enjoy or sell it. that is a very hard to get kit...slusher

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Posted by spkgibson on Friday, July 09, 2010 8:50 AM

I own 2 of those kits,and the 69 grant Rebel SST Kit,all mint,I plan On building all 3 of them,Plus I have another 70 Minus the box,that I converted to the SST with the cross in the grill,I would say build it,they are on E-BAY all the time,I tryed to sell on of the mint 70's I own, noone wanted it,I was asking $75 free Shipping!I'm keeping it know,After seeing one sell for $325 on there about a week ago,That floored me!

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 09, 2010 9:05 AM

I would build it personally. That's a model not seen very often at all. Which would you rather look at,the box or the built model??

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Posted by chrispflug on Friday, July 09, 2010 9:12 AM

 

Collecting has never been a primary focus of mine- I've purchased 99% of the kits I've got with at least the intention of building (the other few just too good of a deal to pass up- or for parts)

I personally get more pleasure from opening a 30-40 year old annual than looking at it on the shelf

 

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Posted by mrmike on Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:11 AM

To build it or not?  IMHO, BUILD IT!!!!!  That's what it was made for in the first place!  Do you want to build it or would you rather look at the kit on the shelf gathering dust?  Are you a collector or builder?  It's entirely up to you.

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Posted by plasti-shack on Monday, July 12, 2010 10:03 PM

I say build it !! That's what is for...right ??

 

Toss that stupid diecast in the recycle bin and build something !

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Posted by fury3 on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 6:25 AM

fury3

a.d.d.modeler

I have a completely mint 1970 Jo-Han AMC Rebel Machine kit. All the parts are still on the trees and it has never been built or painted. Do I build it or save it and wait to find a restortable one to build?

Having been an active member here since November 2004, (yes I know it indicates otherwise, but I had left for a short period a few years ago) this type of question has been asked many times prior...at times with some very heated discussions. I'm not going to give you my personal opinion on the matter (because it really doesn't matter) but will tell you that after observing these types of topics....almost always our fellow members will tell you to "build it". This forum seems to attract hobbyists that cater to creating/building model cars (go figure?ShockBig Smile)....not the model car kit collectors. Besides, if you build it (and others that may have kits similar to it), that is one less unbuilt kit surviving.....which if enough other kits are built usually causes the value of the remaining kits to increase. Like most things, there are pros and cons to going either way with your kit...do what you feels best and gives you satisfaction. FYI, I too have this kit, sealed...so far.Smile Fury3 

Looks as if I definitely was correct concerning the replies to this topic ShockLaugh! See, after all of these years here I have been taught well by the knowledgeable members in our forum Smile,Wink, & Grin . Fury3 

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Posted by Ragnar on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:19 AM

Build it, Models are for building!

CHEERS!

CHEERS!

Tom

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Posted by High octane on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:38 AM

If you like looking at it in the box as opposed to seeing it built on your shelf, than don't build it.

High octane

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Posted by spkgibson on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:21 AM

I feel this way,The prices of the 1984 edition of the Jo-Han 70 Rebel Machine have gone through the roof,Everyone I see on E-Bay sells from between $75 all the way up to the one that was explained in my last post,As far as building a mint kit,That is up to you,I personally would look for a decent built up on there ,strip it,If painted ,And build that one,And save your mint kit for another day,I pulled mine out,And I was thinking do I Really want to build such a rare car?I have the one that I converted to the SST model I Will build that one,And as far as the box tops,the original one that came out in 1970 had a cartoon green Rebel on the top and the endcaps,The 84 reissue,Was the one with the rear of the car on the top and the endcaps,The Original one is worth mint upwards to $300 for an absolute mint one,The other version is worth $150-75 Depending on the the condition ,Just look for a builder and save the kit,I have decided to leave mine alone also,As both years of the Rebel are getting up there in prices,the 69 Grant Rebel SST IF,You can find a mint one be prepared to spend over $300 for a mint one,Built ups of that kit go for over $100 and most of those the bodys are sanded to remove all the details to make the funny car out of! Remember Guys oncethese Jo-Han kits are gone,They are gone for good,this Rebel only had a production run of 3 years,1984-1987 thats it!And we will never see it again!

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Posted by doktor bondo on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:08 AM

People don't collect cinder blocks, 2x4s, sheets of insulation, or prefabbed doors just to have them. No, they use those items to build a garage or a shed! To me, collecting unbuilt kits is kind of the same thing... that box of styrene castings IS a set of building materials, right? Sure, to the right guy it may be worth a lot of money, but it's whole purpose for existing in the first place was tho be BUILT into a MODEL! How would you feel if somebody were willfully deprivng you of your purpose for existing!?Dead

 Kind of a roundabout way of saying it, I guess... but my humble opinion is.... BUILD IT!

 And don't be shy about showing it to us when it's done, either!

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Posted by High octane on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:50 PM

spkgibson,

   Sure older kits are rare, hard to find, and expensive to say the least. However they are ONLY worth what the BUYER will pay for them. If you have a kit that is listed in the price guide for $150 and you end up selling it for only $100, that's all it's worth. No more and no less.

High octane

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Posted by nells250 on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 2:01 PM

ooooh, tough one... Hmmm... Well, I myself would not build it.  But then again, how much did you pay for it in the first place?  If you didn't pay big bucks, building it wouldn't hurt quite as much as if you spent top collector-dollar on it. 

My fear with my more valuable/rare kits is messing the thing up, and not being able to easily/cheaply replacing it for a second try.

My 2cents...

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Posted by GASSERS#1 on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 3:45 PM

you can build it or don't build it either way, you own it. i would build it ,improve my skills along the way and i would keep the box and put them next too each other on the shelf and admire both.Big Smile

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Posted by cedarsales on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 7:23 PM

I have a Grant Rebel SST re-build on my bench right now. I cant wait to get into it and start the resto. The chassis is pretty bad and needs alot of help but the body and glass are in very good shape. I say build the kit and enjoy it.

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Posted by Jantrix on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 7:28 PM

If it's something you're into, built it and screw it's "value". If you're not into it, sell it and buy whatcha are into. Simple as that. Models are for building.

Rob Geeked There is a nasty little four letter word for building something you're not interested in - work. And that's not what we do here. My Photo Album

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Posted by NCP71 on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 9:26 PM

I think you should give it to me and I will build it, this way you will feel no guilt and I will deal with this thread while building an AMC Muscle machine.

PLASTIC MODELS WERE MEANT TO BE BUILT!

 FEMALE MODELS WERE MEANT TO BE RE-BUILT USING PLASTIC lol!

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Posted by Snake45 on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:02 PM

Jantrix

If it's something you're into, built it and screw it's "value". If you're not into it, sell it and buy whatcha are into. Simple as that. Models are for building.

Best answer yet. If it's something you really want to build, build it. If not, sell it to someone who really wants it and spend the money on something you really want.

If I had it, I'd build it, but not in the red-white-blue scheme. There are stories that some of these left the factory in other colors; other stories tell of examples that sat on the showroom floor for months and months and had to be repainted to move. I'd build it in Moroccan Brown Poly as a "sleeper."

BTW, I've heard the same stories about SC/Ramblers. I have one of those kits in the pile I'm thinking of building in some "sleeper" color.

Recovering aircraft modeler. "I can see me bound and gagged

Dragged behind the clownmobile...."

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Posted by mrspex on Wednesday, October 06, 2010 9:53 AM

Cars are made to be driven.  Toys are made to be played with by kids(?).  Models are made to be built.

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Posted by spkgibson on Thursday, October 07, 2010 5:23 PM

cedarsales

I have a Grant Rebel SST re-build on my bench right now. I cant wait to get into it and start the resto. The chassis is pretty bad and needs alot of help but the body and glass are in very good shape. I say build the kit and enjoy it.

I have that one also,I have an extra set of bumpers if you need them,Send me a PM!
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Posted by zenrat on Thursday, October 07, 2010 5:36 PM

Weigh it.

Build it.

Put the empty sprues back in the box along with whatever additional plastic is needed to make up the weight.

Re-heat shrink it.

Put it on the shelf & look at it or sell it to a collector who will do the same.

It's the 21st Century. Where's my Jet Pack & Flying Car? On the bench - detritus mainly.

Ninjas don't have pockets.

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Posted by B.C> Model Guy on Friday, October 08, 2010 12:14 PM

 

It's your kit - do with it as you like! I have one that I bought off the shelf when they were still available. I opened the box and looked at it and then put it away. I'll not build it simply because I can appreciate it just as it is. Like someone said, when these old kits like this one are gone - they are gone forever unless someone takes the gamble to create a new release with new tooling. Given the fetish with musclke cars out there today, and given what these things sell for on Ebay, it is obvious that they would probably sell fairly well.

Speaking for myself, I love these old kits still in the box because in a small way, they are a piece of our legacy and our history. I too am of the school of thought that I'd sooner adopt an orphan - a built kit that is for sale on Ebay or where ever - and restore that and give it a new lease on life rather than build a pristine, virgin kit. Mind you, I am one who likes taking something that someone else has no further use for and making something out of it. I prefer to buy old built ups and redo then to buying a new kit. Granted the new kits have more detail and are better engineered but there is something quaint and charming about old models, old cars and old people. For me, it isn't about "how much it's worth" - it is about the fact that I like it and therefore, I enjoy being able to open the box and look at it when ever I wish or just look at the box sitting on the shelf.

So if you can enjoy the kit in unbuilt form, then don't build it. You have something very special there either way but doing the opposite of what the trends are can often have very pleasing results. Just keep in mind that once you build it, there is one less unbuilt AMC Machine out there and as you can read in the posts, most people do build them. Maybe that is why that one sold for $300.00??? It's stupid to see such a price but then, it IS a case of supply and demand, isn't it and he who has the deepest pockets usually wins out. And besides, if it is unbuilt and you need cash - old unbuilts can fetch a fair amount of money if you are prone to thinking that way. If it is unbuilt, you always have the option of building it as you hone and improve your skills. If you build it, you have no options. It's kind of like virginity - when it is gone, it's gone!

I hate thinking about the past. It brings back so many memories......
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Posted by fury3 on Friday, October 08, 2010 3:10 PM

B.C> Model Guy

 

It's your kit - do with it as you like! I have one that I bought off the shelf when they were still available. I opened the box and looked at it and then put it away. I'll not build it simply because I can appreciate it just as it is. Like someone said, when these old kits like this one are gone - they are gone forever unless someone takes the gamble to create a new release with new tooling. Given the fetish with muscle cars out there today, and given what these things sell for on Ebay, it is obvious that they would probably sell fairly well.

Speaking for myself, I love these old kits still in the box because in a small way, they are a piece of our legacy and our history. I too am of the school of thought that I'd sooner adopt an orphan - a built kit that is for sale on Ebay or where ever - and restore that and give it a new lease on life rather than build a pristine, virgin kit. Mind you, I am one who likes taking something that someone else has no further use for and making something out of it. I prefer to buy old built ups and redo then to buying a new kit. Granted the new kits have more detail and are better engineered but there is something quaint and charming about old models, old cars and old people. For me, it isn't about "how much it's worth" - it is about the fact that I like it and therefore, I enjoy being able to open the box and look at it when ever I wish or just look at the box sitting on the shelf.

So if you can enjoy the kit in unbuilt form, then don't build it. You have something very special there either way but doing the opposite of what the trends are can often have very pleasing results. Just keep in mind that once you build it, there is one less unbuilt AMC Machine out there and as you can read in the posts, most people do build them. Maybe that is why that one sold for $300.00??? It's stupid to see such a price but then, it IS a case of supply and demand, isn't it?...., and he who has the deepest pockets usually wins out. And besides, if it is unbuilt and you need cash - old unbuilts can fetch a fair amount of money if you are prone to thinking that way. If it is unbuilt, you always have the option of building it as you hone and improve your skills. If you build it, you have no options. It's kind of like virginity - when it is gone, it's gone!

One of the best, open minded, and constructive replies I've ever read concerning this topic. (Not to mention it's properly spelled and punctuatedShock.) It can be applied to all of the other past topics concerning similar collectible kits as well. "BC", it obvious that you tend to look at the "whole picture" when offering your viewpoints. How refreshing! Bow Fury3 

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Posted by homerojr on Friday, October 08, 2010 5:25 PM
I also have one, bought still sealed, the box itself fantastic 60's-70's piece of art. Of course it would be nice to let it untouched forever as a treasure. But the real fun was opening and smelling 70's air.. so I pretended. I believed models are to be built, I already have Keith Marks 70 Rebel decal for it! Besides, I have photos of the kit sealed if I want to remember. Well if you decide to preserve it, 40 years from now your widow will be a rich woman!!
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Posted by spkgibson on Friday, October 08, 2010 9:57 PM

Crack that kit open, And paint it Big Bad Green like the one on the side ,That would look nice! If you want another one to keep unbuilt try and find another one on e-bay, I own 2 of them ready to be built soon!

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