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Chevrolet and the beloved Camaro
Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 01, 2004 9:38 AM
I was just wondering why Scale Auto doesn't do an in-depth review of the Camaro? We have seen the Corvette, we had a Mopar Issue, a Mustang Issue and even drag racing subjects. Since there are plenty of kits of these cars, 67-04, from both Revell (69) and AMT(67, 68, 70, 82). I thought it would be great to have an issue with some nice build-ups, as well as a kit history, what does the rest of you think? I think this special pony car deserves it. I think Tim Boyd can do an article like this with style and flair. That is how I got started in this hobby in the first place, my love for the 1:1 subject and owning quite a few of them over the years.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 01, 2004 5:54 PM
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 01, 2004 6:57 PM
I concur.
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Posted by midnightprowler on Sunday, May 02, 2004 6:55 AM
TongueTongueTongueSign - DittoSign - DittoSign - DittoSign - DittoSign - DittoSign - DittoSign - Ditto
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Posted by camaroman on Sunday, May 02, 2004 7:41 AM
Any doubt where I stand? Come on Tim we know you can write the thing!
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Posted by Slabbedask on Sunday, May 02, 2004 10:26 AM
Now that would be something to look forward to! Accompanied by a complete build up of a factory stock '69, with all the correct colours and details outside, inside and under.
My Revell '69 RS/SS convertible needs a closed companion, and that might just be the kick in the old hiney I need....
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Posted by midnightprowler on Sunday, May 02, 2004 1:47 PM
Sweet Camaro dude!
Lee

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 02, 2004 5:35 PM
I can't remember EVER seeing a ragtop Camaro look so good.
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Posted by JayVee on Sunday, May 02, 2004 8:10 PM
You sure do some terrific work Slabbedask! BowBowBow
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Posted by Likittysplit on Monday, May 03, 2004 1:49 AM
I've been a Camaro fanatic for a lotta years, and after having owned a few in the past my current "cruiser" is a 1997 30th anniversary edition Z/28, white hardtop with the hugger orange stripes.
Hey Slabbedask, what paint(s) did you use to replicate the Butternut yellow? I tried to mix some up, but it doesn't look quite right. You done good with yours!

Proud owner of a 1:1 1997 Camaro Z/28 30th Anniversary edition and 2004 Monte Carlo SS supercharged Dale Earnhardt, Sr. "Intimidator" edition.

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Posted by Slabbedask on Monday, May 03, 2004 2:24 AM
Thanks for the nice response, guys! I'll see if I can find some more pic's of this one. It's one of my favorite builds too. The Butternut yellow is.......Butternut yellow! One of my favorite GM colours, kinda subtle but looks goo. Specially with some black striping on it. Well actually it's the European Opel version of it called Primula gelb, but you can't really tell them apart, even side by side! I got about 4 oz. from a friend who still paints cars professionally, somathing I gave up about 13 years ago. He uses PPG, so I guess that's what this is too.
Here's some more pic's of the '69:



The pictures have been out here before, but that was when I was using the more troublesome Imagestation....
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Posted by midnightprowler on Monday, May 03, 2004 4:17 AM
BowBowBowBowAwesome! Incredibly awesome!
Lee

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 03, 2004 6:17 PM
If you want every parts color on a factory '69 camaro, i'm the guy to talk to. They call me the Camaro Whiz when it comes to '69's. Just by looking at it right now, I notice 2 things wrong... Your intake manifold should be aluminum... All 396/375 and 427 camaros had an aluminum intake manifold, and some had aluminum heads also. Also you air cleaner lid: the correct color on a special ducted hood is 60% gloss black. It is only chrome on open air element air cleaners. Not that your car isn't nice, you have one of the nicest camaro models i've seen. You just asked for the real stuff and I know exact percentages of colors and all that. If you want a nice list, let me know.
Also, can you post a picture of the bottom and I can tell you about that too? Nice Car!
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Posted by Slabbedask on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 4:32 AM
Thank you for your input on the Camaro. When I built this model ,my main reference was the book "Original Camaro 1967-1969" by Jason Scott. The problem with using just one reference source such as this, is that they can't show pictures of all alternatives. Of course, the one missing in the book was the 396/375! And of course all the other 396's have engine coloured intakes! Well, that's what you got for being to lazy to crosscheck references....Whistling
I appreciate every input that makes it possible for me to build my factory stock's as correct as possible. As I have planned to do a '69 Z/28 model eventually, I want that to be as good as I can get it too. The '69 is my favorite Camaro too. You should set up a web site dedicated to the first-gen. Camaros, as a one-stop reference to modellers building these cars. You obviously have vast detailed information, that people like myself who build all sorts of stuff would have to spend weeks and months trying to figure out. Perhaps with detailed photos of the different sub assemblies of the cars, factory colours and chalk marks. That would be the ultimate '67-69 Camaro site!!
Here's a pic of the chassis on that '69. I know it's not the most detailed, I just went with the molded in fuel and brake lines, but tried to get the rest of the colours right, at least from what I could find. A thing that I think is wrong with the model, is the headers. If I've got it right it should really be cast-iron manifolds, gut I didn't have any, so I just went with what was in the kit. But then again they might be right for the 396/375....
BTW The chassis looks all black in the pic, but is actually a dark gray with a light black "undercoat" overspray...
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 5:36 AM
Slabbedask,
I don't have any input to the accuracy of your build but thanks for posting more pics, they are truely inspirational !!
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 7:13 PM
I will be able to tell you a few things by loooking at the bottom. to answer your questions about the headers, no they NEVER came on a '69 Camaro from the factory not even on the 427. The headers were strictly a dealer option. That is a con about this kit. Also a bad thing about Revel''s 69 Z/28, I will inform you all that a Z/28 NEVER came from the factory with a crossram setup. They weren't even a dealer option for one main reason: GM did not cover changing of the manifold under it's warranty, therefore the dealers were not allowed to install them as a dealer option. It was available at aftermarket makers though. A few more things for a perfectionist on the undercarriage:
The correct drive shaft color is not black. On a real camaro, it is natural metal....otherwords steel. Same for the rear leaf springs. Testors makes a color for this called "steel". However, the leaf spring shackles are to be painted black along with the rear axle. If you want exact mixing ratios as they would have been from the factory, drop me an email. Also, in many books they say transmission is aluminum, and bell housing is Chevy orange like the block...They don't tell the whole story however. The truth is, it is aluminum like the rest, it just has orange "overspray" from when they painted the block. Last, about the website, I am currently working on a website with all of that information, and it is people like you and all the other people on here's car I am looking to post on it for reference pictures.....You all have amazing works of art! I don't have too much info on the site yet, but if you want correct factory colors for every part on the car, email me and I can dump loads into your brain. You wanted a in-depth review of the camaro?, I have one for you........Glad to help
-Brett p.s. what should my site be called? I will have models of camaros on it too so thin about that...should it be camaromodels, firstgencamaros, or something else? need help on that.
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Posted by lacquerjack on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 4:09 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Likittysplit

I've been a Camaro fanatic for a lotta years, and after having owned a few in the past my current "cruiser" is a 1997 30th anniversary edition Z/28, white hardtop with the hugger orange stripes.
Hey Slabbedask, what paint(s) did you use to replicate the Butternut yellow? I tried to mix some up, but it doesn't look quite right. You done good with yours!
Hi Likittysplit; I just recently purchased a '97 Z-28 and could use a little information on it if you don't mind. I have the AMT '95 kit with the 6 speed tranny, and mine has the automatic. Is this the 700R4 or the one that replaced it? Do you know which kit has the correct auto tranny or should I just use the one from the '96 Impala SS?
My car has the t-tops so it creaks like an old 'vette when it twists a little. Have you tried sub frame connectors on yours and do you recommend them? Jegs claims they eliminate the twisting and noise, besides strenghening the entire car. What do you think? Thanks for any help on both scales,lol. Big Smile
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Posted by lacquerjack on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 4:18 AM
OopsSign - DittoSign - DittoSign - DittoThumbs UpThumbs Up Camaro Lover has a great idea there, an issue devoted to the Camaro is long overdue ,so what do you say Andy?? any possibility this could happen in the near future??Thumbs UpThumbs Up
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Posted by jhaught on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 8:35 AM
Tim Boyd and I are talking over a kit history and possible buildup as we speak. It would be a few issues down the road, but we're working on it.

One caveat, however: This will not be a fanatic-level series of articles; it will be aimed more to the interested general reader. Fun and interesting to read, but we're not going to the point of factory paint-mixing ratios and some of the minutiae I've seen in this thread. We'll probably go along the lines of a kit history, a kit buildup that a modeler of average skills can accomplish, and a Sketchpad. Fair enough?

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Posted by Slabbedask on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:23 PM
Sounds great to me, Jim! That was about what I was hoping for too. I remember an article a few years back with a yellow Roadrunner buildup. A picture showed the basic colours for the chassis, and that is the level of details I'm hoping for in articles like this. Just the main, basic details. For the detailoholics, (Hello, my name is Slabbedask, and I'm........) there is always other sources for the rest.
BTW The number of my models that is detailed to the level of the Camaro above, is not that high. I usually work on a "that looks like could work..." basis.Laugh
I'll be looking forward to the article about the Camaros, as well as similar articles on other subjects.
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Posted by Likittysplit on Thursday, May 06, 2004 1:56 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by lacquerjack

QUOTE: Originally posted by Likittysplit

I've been a Camaro fanatic for a lotta years, and after having owned a few in the past my current "cruiser" is a 1997 30th anniversary edition Z/28, white hardtop with the hugger orange stripes.
Hey Slabbedask, what paint(s) did you use to replicate the Butternut yellow? I tried to mix some up, but it doesn't look quite right. You done good with yours!
Hi Likittysplit; I just recently purchased a '97 Z-28 and could use a little information on it if you don't mind. I have the AMT '95 kit with the 6 speed tranny, and mine has the automatic. Is this the 700R4 or the one that replaced it? Do you know which kit has the correct auto tranny or should I just use the one from the '96 Impala SS?
My car has the t-tops so it creaks like an old 'vette when it twists a little. Have you tried sub frame connectors on yours and do you recommend them? Jegs claims they eliminate the twisting and noise, besides strenghening the entire car. What do you think? Thanks for any help on both scales,lol. Big Smile

Hey LJ- Congrats on your new Z, you're gonna have a lotta fun with it! Jegs and everyone else is/are right about the subframe connectors. I don't have 'em, but I run around with a lot of guys with these cars and they all say that $ for $ its by far the best mod for the money. They will help with the squeaks and rattles and stiffen the car up dramatically.
Your trans is a 4L60E. The one with the '96 Impy should work for your model. If you want to go that far with the detail you should also get the AMT '97 anniversary kit for the dash and seats, the're different than the '95 (they were restyled in '97).
Also- Check out the message boards on CamaroZ28.com (for the LT-1) and LS1.com. A wealth of tech and general information, and the folks like to share it.

Proud owner of a 1:1 1997 Camaro Z/28 30th Anniversary edition and 2004 Monte Carlo SS supercharged Dale Earnhardt, Sr. "Intimidator" edition.

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Posted by lacquerjack on Thursday, May 06, 2004 3:17 AM
Thanks Likkitysplit: the subframe connectors aren't very expensive (about $200) and Jegs has several different types to choose from-bolt in or weld in- and from several manufacturers. What amazes me most about this body style is the huge windows but total lack of visibility, lol. All I can see out the front are the wipers. And thanks for the info on the '97 changes, I'll have to check my Camaro selection and see if I have that kit or start looking for one. Not sure how far I want to go with this one as I already have way to many started, but I do want to get some paint on it and the stance right(it has the sport handling suspension with the 245/50/16 tires and 5 spoke wheels so sits a bit lower than many), then figure out what style wheels to buy for it. Right now it's down to IROC 5 spokes or Torq-Thrust 2's, both of which I have in 1/25th scale. Any suggestions guys?
The car is the dark green metallic with tan leather interior and I may paint black racing stripes similar to the '70-'73 Z-28 on it.
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Posted by lacquerjack on Thursday, May 06, 2004 3:28 AM
Jim, that sounds like it will be a great issue, look forward to reading it. For those that need factory colors, most automotive paint dealers have the formulas, so I wouldn't worry about that aspect of it. Just getting the info on all the Camaro kits that have been done over the years will be quite a job in itself, and very helpful to those who have a special interest in some of the more obscure kits of the "less" popular years. If more younger car buffs realize how cool these cars are, they may even be inclined to contact Gm and let them know how much we want the car brought back. Thanks to you and Tim for all the effort that's going into this issue.Big SmileCoolThumbs UpThumbs Up
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Posted by midnightprowler on Thursday, May 06, 2004 4:43 AM
Looking forward to that issue, it should be good! Thanks guys!
Lee

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 06, 2004 7:11 AM
That sounds like the sort of article we want/need, I think a lot of us would be surprised by the amount of classsic Camaro kits out there and it would be nice to have the focus drawn away from cars from the fifties etc (as much as I love them !)
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 06, 2004 8:53 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhaught


One caveat, however: This will not be a fanatic-level series of articles; it will be aimed more to the interested general reader. Fun and interesting to read, but we're not going to the point of factory paint-mixing ratios and some of the minutiae I've seen in this thread. We'll probably go along the lines of a kit history, a kit buildup that a modeler of average skills can accomplish, and a Sketchpad. Fair enough?


Jim, first let me shamelessly pander and say what a great medium this website is. It gives modelers a chance to share their modeling experiences with each other around the world and your magazine. I also believe it helps your organization stay in touch with the hobby-at-large. Having said this can I make a suggestion? Can't elements of such an issue appeal to both groups? The casual hobbiest and the more serious modelers as well? I feel that the Sketch pad feature and the kit history are appeal more towards the casual hobbiest while the issue could have one feature that really covers a particular Camaro ( my guess/suggestion here would be a First Generation car probably a 1969 model) from soup to nuts. Available colors for both the body and interior, paint detail instructions, etc. Tim has done the available body colors for Muscle car era GMs in a previous Scale Auto Issue already. Maybe just photo reference on a particular factory correct car in that Pit Pass like feature (the name for that feature has escaped me). A perfect template for this issue if you ask me would be your Corvette Issue. That seemed to have something for everyone. Kit history as well a detailed build of a replica stock Third Gen Vette as well as photo refence of that car. You don't have to count the rivets yourself, just give us a picture of the riveted panel and we'll count them for ourselves.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 06, 2004 2:00 PM
Yes, I think it should be introduced to younger ones. Bye the way, I am 15, and I know so much more about Camaros than alot of adults I know, I am very lucky to have a dad that has had about 9 Camaro's. I have learned so much about the '69. I know more about that than I do about anything in school. I am very lucky that my dad teaches me all I can know about it.
-Brett
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 09, 2004 2:13 PM
DokterPeppor,we need more people like you in this hobby.Your knowledge about first generation Camaros flat surpasses my knowledge of Corvettes,(And I know quite alot about every generation of Corvette,and I'm 43 years old!)I'm currently building AMT's 67 Z/28 and turning it into a 327 Rally Sport.The best reference material I have is Michael Lamm's "The Great Camaro" which has a lot of factory photos in it.Unfortunately most of the photos are black and white.Thanks to The Modelhaus and The Model Car Garage this conversion ought to be easy for a not-so-good modeller like me.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 09, 2004 6:57 PM
A few questions for you slabb:
What color/colors do you use in making your woodgrain on your interior? There were two kinds, earlier built cars had walnut and later built cars had rosewood, and I can't figure out how to make either. I would like to know how you make yours, looks like the walnut.
Also, where did you get the Hugger magazine on your dash? I have the real one. I would like a scale one like that, when I go to shows with my Dad, he puts his exactly like that.
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Posted by Slabbedask on Monday, May 10, 2004 6:19 AM
I am not very good at doing woodgrain, so for smaller areas like interior panels, I just use a matt brown Humbrol paint. (No particular colour, and I don't remember which one I used on the Camaro.) I first paint the whole area, then when the base colour is dry I just drybrush carefully with black or dark brown to make some colour irregularities. This can be covered with clear in different gloss grades to look like the real car.
The magazine on the dash is actually the September 1968 issue of Hot Rod Magazine. I scanned it, then used Word to make it smaller. I then printed it out on my printer. I should have used photo paper and inks, as it's kind of blurry, but I didn't have any.
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