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AMT '65 Pontiac 2+2
Posted by amt68 on Saturday, February 22, 2020 11:22 AM

AMT '65 Pontiac 2+2 1/25 scale model. Exterior painted in Tamiya TS-59 Light Pearl Red with an interior color combination of Rustoleum 2X Heirloom White/Black. Trim done with Testors Chrome silver enamel. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Bainford on Saturday, February 22, 2020 12:13 PM

Cool cruiser. The colours look good. Nice work on the trim painting. 

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Posted by midnightprowler on Saturday, February 22, 2020 12:39 PM

Nice.

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Posted by amt68 on Saturday, February 22, 2020 1:00 PM

Thanks Bainford. Wanted to try a less traditional color on this one. It bears some similarity to Sunfire Red which was a '64 Pontiac color. 

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Posted by amt68 on Saturday, February 22, 2020 1:00 PM

Thanks Prowler. 

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Posted by Goofy62 on Saturday, February 22, 2020 4:24 PM

amt68

Thanks Bainford. Wanted to try a less traditional color on this one. It bears some similarity to Sunfire Red which was a '64 Pontiac color. 

 

Closer to 1965 "Iris Mist".

1964 Pontiac "Sunfire Red" is a much more "orangish" red.

 

I'll be using Scale Finishes "Sunfire Red" on an upcoming 1964 Pontiac Grand Prix project.

 

Nice work on the 2+2!

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by amt68 on Saturday, February 22, 2020 4:44 PM

Thanks Steve. To your point yes, it is closer to Iris Mist. Basically it felt like a period correct color that I might not be as inclined to use on a later era model car. Looking forward to seeing your '64 Grand Prix which sounds like a relatively rare scale model. 

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Posted by steveracer on Monday, February 24, 2020 7:02 PM

Nice to see this big bruiser build.  Car looks awesome, the color is striking, not my favorite but I do remember this kind of color on Grand Prix cars when I was a kid.  Redlines set it off nicely.  Very clean and cool build!

 

I have this kit, and I notice that your model has the assymetrical rear quarter window design Left and Right like mine does....

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Posted by amt68 on Monday, February 24, 2020 7:33 PM

Thanks steveracer for your comments. I think the color works well on this car and I have another '65 2+2 and a couple of '65 Bonneville kits which I'll probably do in more traditional colors. I took the redlines from another kit because they are key to the overall look. And your the first person on any forum to mention the assymetrical rear quarter window which was never corrected since the original release of this kit. Other than the quarter window the body lines and front and rear grills are quite accurate. 

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Posted by steveracer on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 5:18 PM

Again, awesome model Geeked  I just checked my kit out, and it is a Bonneville!  Interesting that the body is the same, however I have the lower bright trim and Bonneville nomenclature.  Interesting they had two kits (promos too?) back in the day....wonder if the tooling is completly separate or an insert was used....hmmmm. 

Not sure what else was changed trim wise.   Did you see that 66 2+2 on Bring a Trailer a few weeks back?  Red and just soooo beautiful.  I really like this bodystyle.  Keep em coming!

 

I want to paint mine Burgundy Red Poly.

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Posted by Goofy62 on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 7:15 PM

Here are some interesting facts that you might like to know about the AMT '65 Pontiac kits.

There were actually 3 kits produced.

The '65 Bonneville, the '65 Grand Prix, and the '65 2+2.

I have all three of these kits.

 

The Bonneville and the Grand Prix are proportioned correctly.

The 2+2 is not.

The Grand Prix and the 2+2 Catalina were both 121" wheel base cars.

The Bonneville sat on a 124" wheel base chassis.

The AMT 2+2 kit was inaccurately based on the Bonneville chassis making the wheel base and overall shape of the body incorrect.

Why AMT did not use the Grand Prix molds to produce the 2+2 is a complete mystery to me, but the "too long" proportions of the AMT 2+2 kit have long been lamented by builders.

 

 

 

Steve

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Posted by amt68 on Friday, February 28, 2020 12:41 PM

Interesting info on the full size Pontiacs Steve. I never realized they sat on different wheelbases. In addition to the Bonneville and 2+2 I also have the GP kit which I'll probably adorn with a vinyl roof. The '66 full size Pontiac is also available as a Hasegawa kit but they usually command a premium price. The Hasegawa has the skirts molded in but I prefer these without the skirts. I've always considered the '65 one of the best looking full size Pontiacs of the sixties.

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Posted by Goofy62 on Friday, February 28, 2020 4:28 PM

amt68

Interesting info on the full size Pontiacs Steve. I never realized they sat on different wheelbases. In addition to the Bonneville and 2+2 I also have the GP kit which I'll probably adorn with a vinyl roof. The '66 full size Pontiac is also available as a Hasegawa kit but they usually command a premium price. The Hasegawa has the skirts molded in but I prefer these without the skirts. I've always considered the '65 one of the best looking full size Pontiacs of the sixties.

 

I'm slowly working my way through building a set of vintage Pontiac Bonneville kits, starting in 1958, all the way through to 1967.

So far, I've built a '58 convertible, a '59 hard top, a '61 convertible, a '63 hard top and a '67 hard top.

I still have original AMT 1960, 1962 and 1965 hard tops to do, as well as an AMT 1964 convertible and an MPC '66 hard top.

Likewise, I have the AMT '64 and '65 Grand Prixs as well as an MPC '69 Grand Prix.

 

The '64 Grand Prix is the next build on my list.

 

I'll likely never build the '65 2+2, mainly because of the incorrect wheel base mentioned.

It would take a ton of work to shorten the body.

 

 

 

Steve

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Posted by American185 on Friday, February 28, 2020 6:36 PM

[quote user="Goofy62"]

 
amt68

Interesting info on the full size Pontiacs Steve. I never realized they sat on different wheelbases. In addition to the Bonneville and 2+2 I also have the GP kit which I'll probably adorn with a vinyl roof. The '66 full size Pontiac is also available as a Hasegawa kit but they usually command a premium price. The Hasegawa has the skirts molded in but I prefer these without the skirts. I've always considered the '65 one of the best looking full size Pontiacs of the sixties.

 

 

 

I'm slowly working my way through building a set of vintage Pontiac Bonneville kits, starting in 1958, all the way through to 1967.

 

So far, I've built a '58 convertible, a '59 hard top, a '61 convertible, a '63 hard top and a '67 hard top.

I still have original AMT 1960, 1962 and 1965 hard tops to do, as well as an AMT 1964 convertible and an MPC '66 hard top.

Likewise, I have the AMT '64 and '65 Grand Prixs as well as an MPC '69 Grand Prix.

 

The '64 Grand Prix is the next build on my list.

 

I'll likely never build the '65 2+2, mainly because of the incorrect wheel base mentioned.

It would take a ton of work to shorten the body.

 

 

 

Steve

 

 

Is the gas tank door correctly positioned on these models ?? How about the tank itself ?? The man did a gorgeous build in a fabulous color and I doubt measured the wheelbase for acuracy. I know I wouldn't !!! This is the main reason I never have or will post pics of my builds. I build to my liking which is factory showroom and primarily FoMoCo, and don't care whether a radio knob is misaligned in the model or the steering wheel is not correct either. The kit is what it is, and not for me to decide what is right or wrong, up to the manufacturer. Bravo AMT, another gorgeous build. And your tip about the chrome paint is brilliant. No more BMF for me thankfully !!! So much easier and thank you !!!

'There is a special feel in an Oldsmobile, more than the luxury ride its the feeling of pride that you get inside !!!Wink'

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Posted by amt68 on Friday, February 28, 2020 7:07 PM

Thanks American for the compliment on the build. Yes, chrome paint is much easier as I don't have the hand for BMF. 

I post here because I enjoy the conversation about these kits and vintage cars in general. And I appreciate guys like Steve who are quite knowledgeable about both. The forums offer a wealth of techniques and tips for improving my skills. To your point I'm not overly concerned with every detail being perfectly factory correct.

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Posted by Goofy62 on Friday, February 28, 2020 11:33 PM

[quote user="American185"]

Goofy62
 
amt68

Interesting info on the full size Pontiacs Steve. I never realized they sat on different wheelbases. In addition to the Bonneville and 2+2 I also have the GP kit which I'll probably adorn with a vinyl roof. The '66 full size Pontiac is also available as a Hasegawa kit but they usually command a premium price. The Hasegawa has the skirts molded in but I prefer these without the skirts. I've always considered the '65 one of the best looking full size Pontiacs of the sixties.

 

 

 

I'm slowly working my way through building a set of vintage Pontiac Bonneville kits, starting in 1958, all the way through to 1967.

 

So far, I've built a '58 convertible, a '59 hard top, a '61 convertible, a '63 hard top and a '67 hard top.

I still have original AMT 1960, 1962 and 1965 hard tops to do, as well as an AMT 1964 convertible and an MPC '66 hard top.

Likewise, I have the AMT '64 and '65 Grand Prixs as well as an MPC '69 Grand Prix.

 

The '64 Grand Prix is the next build on my list.

 

I'll likely never build the '65 2+2, mainly because of the incorrect wheel base mentioned.

It would take a ton of work to shorten the body.

 

 

 

Steve

 

 

Is the gas tank door correctly positioned on these models ?? How about the tank itself ?? The man did a gorgeous build in a fabulous color and I doubt measured the wheelbase for acuracy. I know I wouldn't !!! This is the main reason I never have or will post pics of my builds. I build to my liking which is factory showroom and primarily FoMoCo, and don't care whether a radio knob is misaligned in the model or the steering wheel is not correct either. The kit is what it is, and not for me to decide what is right or wrong, up to the manufacturer. Bravo AMT, another gorgeous build. And your tip about the chrome paint is brilliant. No more BMF for me thankfully !!! So much easier and thank you !!!

 

Sorry to cause you such anguish.

I only mentioned this because I thought some folks would like to know.

This is not a case of a "misaligned radio knob".

This happens to be a case of a body that is not even close to accurate.

It's not just the wheel base being too long.

The fact that the wheel base is too long completely changes the shape and size of virtually every body panel of the model, from the rear fenders to the top.

What we have here is essentially a re-badged Bonneville.

Not anything even close to a Catalina.

I suppose that might not matter to some and I have no issues with anyone who wishes to build one.

But it might matter to others.

The way that I see it, there's nothing wrong with information.

We're not flat earthers here.

Facts shouldn't scare us.

 

I acknowledge that "amt68" did a fine job on this model.

It didn't seem to bother him too much that someone pointed out the issues with the kit.

After all, he didn't make it.

Maybe you should let him fight his own battles........if there was ever any battle in the first place.

 

 

 

 

Steve

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Posted by American185 on Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:09 AM

You nickname on here 'Goofy', speaks volumes in itself. Enough said..........

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Posted by Goofy62 on Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:30 AM

American185

You nickname on here 'Goofy', speaks volumes in itself. Enough said..........

 

Exactly what I would expect from someone who has just lost an arguement.

Begin insultng people.

That "speaks volumes in itself".

 

 

 

Steve

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Posted by steveracer on Saturday, February 29, 2020 1:49 PM

The model looks great. I don't see any way to put air in those tires.  No valve stems. So why did you show off this model with 4 flat tires? 

dang. The gall.  

lol. 

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Posted by steveracer on Saturday, February 29, 2020 1:51 PM

And what the hell is wrong with everyone's attitude this week?  Lay off the TV and so called "news" and just get back to the bench and enjoy your (and each other's) love of the hobby. 

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Posted by Goofy62 on Saturday, February 29, 2020 3:36 PM

Okay guys.

I won't rain on your parade any longer.

Apparently nobody cares much about some of the trash that some of the kit manufacturers have given over the years.

That's a good thing for them.

With no dissent, they can go back to producing stuff like this.

Enjoy!

 

 

 

 

Steve

 

 

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Posted by American185 on Sunday, March 1, 2020 7:14 AM

[quote user="Goofy62"]

 
American185

You nickname on here 'Goofy', speaks volumes in itself. Enough said..........

 

 

 

Exactly what I would expect from someone who has just lost an arguement.

 

Begin insultng people.

That "speaks volumes in itself".

 

 I lost nothing, for I will not do a battle of wits with someone obsessed over something this idiotic. We are here to compliment his work, which is awesome by the way, and I have picked up one or two great tips from him as well. His work is outstanding and I love following his builds, and his choice of model cars he builds. We are not here to tear the kit apart, if it bothers you that much, contact the company or simply don't buy the kit. Better yet, cast your own !!!

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Posted by amt68 on Sunday, March 1, 2020 11:41 AM

Goofy62

Okay guys.

I won't rain on your parade any longer.

Apparently nobody cares much about some of the trash that some of the kit manufacturers have given over the years.

That's a good thing for them.

With no dissent, they can go back to producing stuff like this.

Enjoy!

 

 

 

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

 

What model kit is that from Steve? Just to reaffirm I appreciate all of your comments on this post as they have been informative.

 

This is all just a hobby. Something to pass the time. Any helpful tips or critiques are appreciated.  I'm mostly here for a pleasant conversation about these kits.

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Posted by Goofy62 on Sunday, March 1, 2020 11:57 AM

[quote user="American185"]

Goofy62
 
American185

You nickname on here 'Goofy', speaks volumes in itself. Enough said..........

 

 

 

Exactly what I would expect from someone who has just lost an arguement.

 

Begin insultng people.

That "speaks volumes in itself".

 

 I lost nothing, for I will not do a battle of wits with someone obsessed over something this idiotic. We are here to compliment his work, which is awesome by the way, and I have picked up one or two great tips from him as well. His work is outstanding and I love following his builds, and his choice of model cars he builds. We are not here to tear the kit apart, if it bothers you that much, contact the company or simply don't buy the kit. Better yet, cast your own !!!

 

I'm not obsessed in the least.

I offered information, that obviously the OP himself didn't know, and apparently you didn't either, which is why we're "actually" here.

We ARE here to "tear the kit apart".

This is a "modeling forum".

It's about model cars, and all things related to them.

This is not just our personal "gallery" to display our works and then sit and wait for a couple of dozen "atta boys" to make us feel good.

It's about the exchange of information and technique.

I sincerely hope that our presence on this board is for a better purpose than just "praising" each others work.

That's pretty shallow and self centered.

Certainly, there's nothing wrong with crediting individuals for their fine work, but it appears, that at least in your mind, it's a bridge to far to offer any technical information about a kit or any other modeling material.

I suppose it's up to you if you would like to keep your head in the sand, but others may find information such as this useful.

There have been a quite high number of kits identified in recent years with all sorts of inaccuracies, and I, for one, am thankful to the individuals who took the time to scrutinize and assess these kits so that we at least know what we are starting with.

We can all take that information and do what we like with it.

You can endeavor to change it, or you can ignore it, it doesn't much matter to me either way.

But pretending that it doesn't exist and getting all bunged up about it when it's brought up is the real "idiotic" attitude in my opinion.

 

AMT68, your rendition of this vehicle is exceptional.

Your work is exemplary and I hope that the information that I offered was useful to you.

You are the one that I was addressing with this material on "your thread".

Nobody else matters.

 

 

 

 

Steve

 

 

 

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Posted by midnightprowler on Sunday, March 1, 2020 12:02 PM

Looks like american185 cut on the same anger management classes as paintedblack. I for one appreciate Steves knowledge.

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Posted by American185 on Sunday, March 1, 2020 1:49 PM

[quote user="midnightprowler"]

Looks like american185 cut on the same anger management classes as paintedblack. I for one appreciate Steves knowledge.

 

Has nothing to do with anger management. Has to do with obsession that not many people care about or notice, except a very few. I happen to have two promos from Ford because of my decades of employ with them that were never released for sale to the public, or to any retailer. It was done for company employees only. One is of a Lincoln, the other of a Mercury. God forbid a select few saw that a hood ornament was missing or no nomenclature on the rear of the model. So you make one yourself, or leave well enough alone. The sky would probably fall down for a very few. I am just happy to have them, and gaurd them, as they are very very rare and I have never seen them on ebay or any other site. Very very few of us still have them, as a lot of others that did, unfortunately have passed. These are scale models and replicas of. Always perfect, far from it. But you accept it for what it is, and either deal with it, or move on to something else. Would I not by a kit because of a wheelbase difference or a molding not having been placed on, for sure not. Most Gran Torinos all had bodyside molding on them (90% were ordered that way) and neither the Starsky model nor the regular Gran Torino had them. You added them yourself, or didn't. But not a reason to run from the kit, or make an issue about it. I have two, one which became a replica of my moms daily driver, and yes added the molding, and another which I turned into a Brougham, and bodyside molding was standard issue on that model in 76, as was full length chrome rocker molding which was added as well. But I was not going to steal anyones thunder or take away from their build, by pointing out a molding issue or any other error on the kit. And lots of people built the Gran Torino, both civil and Starsky version. And I for sure doubt, that pointing something like this out, belongs in the factory stock build section. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it. But who am I ?? Just a normal collector of these things, that accepts them for what they are, and is just happy they are still out there and available.

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Posted by Goofy62 on Sunday, March 1, 2020 3:37 PM

[quote user="American185"]

midnightprowler

Looks like american185 cut on the same anger management classes as paintedblack. I for one appreciate Steves knowledge.

 

Has nothing to do with anger management. Has to do with obsession that not many people care about or notice, except a very few. I happen to have two promos from Ford because of my decades of employ with them that were never released for sale to the public, or to any retailer. It was done for company employees only. One is of a Lincoln, the other of a Mercury. God forbid a select few saw that a hood ornament was missing or no nomenclature on the rear of the model. So you make one yourself, or leave well enough alone. The sky would probably fall down for a very few. I am just happy to have them, and gaurd them, as they are very very rare and I have never seen them on ebay or any other site. Very very few of us still have them, as a lot of others that did, unfortunately have passed. These are scale models and replicas of. Always perfect, far from it. But you accept it for what it is, and either deal with it, or move on to something else. Would I not by a kit because of a wheelbase difference or a molding not having been placed on, for sure not. Most Gran Torinos all had bodyside molding on them (90% were ordered that way) and neither the Starsky model nor the regular Gran Torino had them. You added them yourself, or didn't. But not a reason to run from the kit, or make an issue about it. I have two, one which became a replica of my moms daily driver, and yes added the molding, and another which I turned into a Brougham, and bodyside molding was standard issue on that model in 76, as was full length chrome rocker molding which was added as well. But I was not going to steal anyones thunder or take away from their build, by pointing out a molding issue or any other error on the kit. And lots of people built the Gran Torino, both civil and Starsky version. And I for sure doubt, that pointing something like this out, belongs in the factory stock build section. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it. But who am I ?? Just a normal collector of these things, that accepts them for what they are, and is just happy they are still out there and available.

 

I would want to know about those trim omissions, whether I elected to do anything about them or not.

There has never been any pressure by me to change anything, or any belittling of anyone for deciding to build anything, in spite of any of a kits short comings.

I have built plenty of kits with pretty glaring inaccuracies and have changed nothing.

I decided that they were good enough for my purposes.

But that doesn't mean that it wasn't sound information to know what these issues were.

As I see it, there is nothing wrong with knowing what you have.

There is no advantage that I can see to putting blinders on and pretending that something doesn't exist.

I have no issue with any of the members on this board, including you American 185.

I just for the life of me don't understand why anyone would interpret a simple statement of fact about the proportions of a particular model as somehow being a personal attack on someone because they happened to decide to build it as is.

 

And no, it's not my "obsession" to point this problem out.

I probably would have never known about the wheel base question myself if someone else had not passed that information on to me.

And I am grateful for it.

 

 

 

 

Steve

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Posted by Goofy62 on Sunday, March 1, 2020 4:15 PM

amt68

 

 
Goofy62

Okay guys.

I won't rain on your parade any longer.

Apparently nobody cares much about some of the trash that some of the kit manufacturers have given over the years.

That's a good thing for them.

With no dissent, they can go back to producing stuff like this.

Enjoy!

 

 

 

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What model kit is that from Steve? Just to reaffirm I appreciate all of your comments on this post as they have been informative.

 

This is all just a hobby. Something to pass the time. Any helpful tips or critiques are appreciated.  I'm mostly here for a pleasant conversation about these kits.

 

That is a Palmer kit.

Palmer produced a lot of kits back in the 60s, and maybe not back at that time, but by todays standards, they are known for being horribly misshapen and inaccurate.

What you see in that photo is supposed to represent a 1963 Chevrolet Impala.

As you can see, it didn't do that job particularly well. Big Smile

 

Palmer kits are collectable today, more as a curiosity rather than build fodder, but none the less, they are a quirky and interesting part of modeling history.

 

 

 

Steve

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Posted by midnightprowler on Sunday, March 1, 2020 4:47 PM

I was wondering who did that one.

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Posted by amt68 on Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:46 PM

Thanks Steve. I've seen those Palmer kits on ebay and was actually tempted to buy a '72 or '73 Thunderbird since no other kits exist for that car. But I do remember from the pictures the kit seeming a bit off in terms of proportions. 

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