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Ford 427 SOHC cammer modding for street ?

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Ford 427 SOHC cammer modding for street ?
Posted by Gluecipher on Monday, June 25, 2018 3:51 PM

Any of you wiser men converted the blown 427 SOHC Cammer ( from '33 Willys + Malco Gasser kits ) more streetable ?

To be precise im asking how you have added water pump and its outlet, the upper water outlet , and lastly, alternators , maybe even a normal distributor instead of mag. 

Thinking also about getting rid off the injection and tossing 2 carbs.

 

I will keep the blower in any case.

 

 

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Posted by Spencer Mopar Fan on Monday, June 25, 2018 5:27 PM

Devil Me again !! 

I've got a 1:24 Diorama stock 427 motor in a frame .... Google one !!

Blue circular air filter , manifolds & open rear to show the flywheel .... Very detailed . Wired , plumbed ,etcetera .

I've had a good look all around it - and not a hint of a company name on it though !

The box is long gone , I seem to remember it was with larger diorama garage pieces as well .... Could be AMT ?? " made in China " anyway , that limits it a bit Laugh

I brought it in Old Town Kissimee Fla. 2012 (Holiday - from UK !) & as I did already have a large sportsbag full of 1:64's ....& a Wargreens deodorant no room for big scale stuff  LOL 

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Posted by Oldschool4x4 on Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:43 PM

Well, to start with, I know of NO correct intakes [for street use] for the SOHC.  As for the water pump, use any FE unit. As for ignition, when you find a correct intake, the regular FE will work. Same with the oil filter.

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Posted by oldnslow on Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:43 PM

Doesn't the 65 or 66 Galaxie kits have a cammer in them ?

Here's the chrome tree from a 66 , it has the cammer valve covers , air cleaner and single 4 intake .

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Posted by Oldschool4x4 on Tuesday, June 26, 2018 4:53 PM

Yes, but the intake is incorrect. 

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Posted by Gluecipher on Tuesday, June 26, 2018 5:01 PM

oldnslow

Doesn't the 65 or 66 Galaxie kits have a cammer in them ?

Here's the chrome tree from a 66 , it has the cammer valve covers , air cleaner and single 4 intake .

 

 

It must be a case of me trying to write in language not native to me as i am NOT making the blower disappear. I only ask for tips regarding how/where to attach ;

-alternator 

-water pump (what donor kit to use of common kits now in production).

-where should i locate the upper/lower water hoses in the engine.

-Thinking also using distributor instead of magneto. What donor kit ?

-i am not picky on is it 100% accurate as long as you can think its possible to do in real life. 

Streetable,somewhat.

Never stockBig Smile

 

I will try to find more about the kit you suggested,to see if it has parts i could use to do thisThumbs Up

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Posted by Gluecipher on Tuesday, June 26, 2018 5:03 PM

Oldschool4x4

Yes, but the intake is incorrect. 

 

 

Iam keeping the blower intake and blower but is it possible to attach the upper water outlet somewhere between intake and timing/cam  chain cover ???

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Posted by Gluecipher on Tuesday, June 26, 2018 5:05 PM

Oldschool4x4

Well, to start with, I know of NO correct intakes [for street use] for the SOHC.  As for the water pump, use any FE unit. As for ignition, when you find a correct intake, the regular FE will work. Same with the oil filter.

 

 

Amt 32 vicky has some 427?

It might have useful stuff...water pump perhaps?

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Posted by aliasT.W. on Tuesday, June 26, 2018 5:09 PM

The '33 Willys SOHC doesn't play well with others, I would use the supercharger maniforld and modify it slightly to accept carbs.Plug the hole where the magneto base attaches to the front cover and add a dist. to the front of the manifold (just off center on the drivers side).The rest of the info you require is in the text above. 

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Posted by mrmike on Tuesday, June 26, 2018 5:39 PM

I built this 7 Litre '66 Galaxie 500 about 6 years ago and I never considered a water pump.  I thought it was already part of the engine!  What do I know?!!!

If this engine was used for racing, wouldn't it have a water pump?  Just wondering...

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Posted by Gluecipher on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 2:38 AM

mrmike

I built this 7 Litre '66 Galaxie 500 about 6 years ago and I never considered a water pump.  I thought it was already part of the engine!  What do I know?!!!

If this engine was used for racing, wouldn't it have a water pump?  Just wondering...

 

 

Well thats what iam thinking too.

Naturally the most hardcore engine blocks might have the cooling circulation in the block filled with concrete to strengthen the block, but i suspect the willys/malco gasser to have atleast some kind of water cooling as the kits contain this weird radiator/tank combo...unless its radiator for oil ????

But i cant see water hoses or clear waterpump in the kits so i think they dont have such at all. For what i know, cammers waterpump is visually the same as in ohv FE engines but with inch shorter legs.

But what commonly available (in europe) kit, that is in production as we speak, contains FE engine with separater water pump....u guys know ? I dont.

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Posted by Gluecipher on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 2:43 AM

aliasT.W.

The '33 Willys SOHC doesn't play well with others, I would use the supercharger maniforld and modify it slightly to accept carbs.Plug the hole where the magneto base attaches to the front cover and add a dist. to the front of the manifold (just off center on the drivers side).The rest of the info you require is in the text above. 

 

 

The blower stays no matter what, but locating the distributor and water hoses + water pump when blower is used...thats my problem.

 

I might get pass by using the magneto leg, with distributor on its end...as in real life you might get it to work like that.

But adding alternator and waterpump with all their pulleys together with blower gear...lots of work and it takes more space.

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Posted by oldnslow on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 4:02 AM

Here's a better pic of the cammer water pump .

Robert Lightsey

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Posted by Oldschool4x4 on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 6:52 AM

 

OK, so you want to keep the blower for street use, no problem. This pic shows all... water pump, dist, pulleys, etc.Good luck. Edit; I think I would use the water pump and pulley/belt from the Revell T-Bolt kit,

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Posted by oldnslow on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 11:25 AM

Bingo !

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