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Barracuda Notchback
Posted by smhardesty on Tuesday, March 14, 2017 1:41 PM

 

I hope this is the best place for this type post. If not, holler at me or just move it.

I recently acquired a ‘69 Barracuda Notchback resin body. I have a couple other posts in different threads about it already so not going into those details. My question for you other old fellows that can remember the great muscle cars of the 60s is in regards to the acceptance, or maybe approval, of the Barracuda Notchback itself. When I bought the car in the early 70s I caught a lot of flack from fellow street rodders of the day. Although it was always in good fun, I received a lot of ribbing about the body style. One of my really good buddies called it my “Corvair”.

I never really understood the ribbing I got from buddies. Yes, there was the fastback style that most guys seemed to prefer. What I could never get was that the Mustangs, Cougars, Camaros, etc, etc were all basically “notchbacks” and only a few other car models had a “fastback” version. So why all the ridicule towards the Barracuda Notchback? While I don’t dislike the fastback version, my personal preference is for the notchback. I just always liked it better. The one thing I do know is that my little ‘67 always quieted the boys down when it came time to do a little back road quarter mile racing. That was enough for me to ignore the good natured ribbing about the body style.

So my question really is, what are your opinions of the notchback body style? Don’t be afraid to give a reply similar to what the fellows gave me back in the day. You’ll neither offend me or change my opinion of that body style. I’d just like to hear from some of you on this subject.

 

Steve

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Posted by chucky on Tuesday, March 14, 2017 7:48 PM

Hi, Steve. From my reply on the other thread, you already know I love these. I had a '66 Formula S 273 4-speed which was a cool car but I replaced it with a '66 Valiant 100 2-door sedan with a worked 340 4-speed. That back window in the first gen Barrracudas was not all that attractive, but Plymouth was determined to have a fastback to compete with the Mustang. To me, the '67-'69 notchbacks were the best-looking of all the A-body Barracudas. While the first gen Mustang fastback was a looker, I liked the Fox Mustang LX 5.0 coupe much better than the Mustang GT. Just a cleaner, leaner look, in my opinion. (Lighter and quicker, too.) No accounting for taste, as they say. We like what we like. 

chucky

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Posted by gloozalot on Tuesday, March 14, 2017 8:23 PM

Tell ya the truth, Steve, I never saw that many of them.  Most of the Fish I saw were the fastbacks.  I only remember one of them on the hometown streets back in the day and have no idea what engine it had.  When I did see one, I had to look.  I thought they were pretty cool cars.  There were plenty of fastbacks running around with a slant six to who knows what.  The owners all wanted to be Ronnie Sox.  

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Posted by trainwreck on Tuesday, March 14, 2017 8:57 PM

Do you have a pic. of the car you're building? I saw the resin body and it looks great. As for the debate about notchback, fastback I would choose the notchback hands down. This applies to most cars that offered both body styles, maybe it's just me but they seem to lend themselves well to any mods you want to throw at em. Just a thought.Trainwreck.

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Posted by Goofy62 on Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:32 PM

No question in my mind!

The notch back was the better looking car!

The biggest reason I give it the nod was that the '67 notch back could be accredited with the biginnings of the beautiful roof line that we all know & love from the B-body mopars from 1968-1970.

Who doesn't love the roof line on the '68-'70 Road Runners & Super Bees?

Same thing on the '67-'69 Barracuda in a scaled down version.

& to top it all off, why not add the "Mod Top"!! Big Smile

 

Steve

 

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Posted by Plowboy on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:36 AM

When it comes to notchback versus fastback, the fastback looks much better! It doesn't matter which car it is. The fastback roof line always gives a car a much sleeker look whether it's a Chevy Fleetline, Barracuda or especially, a Mustang. The notchback roofs are different and I like different. But, I don't like notchback roofs at all when there's an alternative. There's only one car that I don't like the fastback roof on and that's the '66-'67 Charger. To me, that car is hideous looking and would actually benefit from a coupe roof.

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Posted by smhardesty on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 6:16 PM

 

chucky,

You’re right. We all have different tastes. I agree totally. The ‘67 - ‘69 notchback is definitely my favorite.

 

glooz,

There weren’t a whole lot of the notchbacks in my neck of the woods either. And one of my buddies that ribbed me about my “Corvair” had a six cylinder Nova. Go figure.

 

trainwreck,

No, sad to say all the photos of my ‘Cuda disappeared during a messy divorce. You can’t imagine all the times I wished I had just one good photo.

 

Steve,

I’m with you. That roof line could be one of the best, if not the best, of all the classic 60s and 70s cars. We all have our own opinion like chucky pointed out, but it seems there are an awful lot of us that think that roof line is a winner. As to the whole flower power, “mod top” thing, maybe not for me. I leaned a little more towards the hard rock, beer drinking, weekend racer type guy. Frills didn’t fit me very well.

 

Plowboy,

I totally respect your opinion as well. Like has been mentioned, life would be pretty boring if we all liked the same, exact things. I completely agree with you on the ‘66 - ‘67 Charger. To me those cars looked too much like an AMC Marlin. I have a soft spot for AMC cars, but the Marlin isn’t very high on my list. Granted the ‘67 Marlin was a great improvement over the ‘65, but I just never took a liking to them. So, yeah, the ‘68 Charger with that Barracuda notchback roof line was a much better looking car to me, too.

 

Steve

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Posted by smhardesty on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 6:56 PM

trainwreck

Do you have a pic. of the car you're building? I saw the resin body and it looks great. As for the debate about notchback, fastback I would choose the notchback hands down. This applies to most cars that offered both body styles, maybe it's just me but they seem to lend themselves well to any mods you want to thow at em. Just a thought.Trainwreck.

 

I guess I could offer a bit more info on the 1:1 car I had. It’s “official” color was,,,,ready for this? Dark green. Not the wild and ridiculous color names we’re used to with MOPAR muscle cars. The interior was black vinyl. Yeah, HOT, black vinyl. I had Cragar SS wheels on front with (I think) Goodyear F70s. I stated F70s a couple days ago and after I typed it in I started doubting myself. I know for a fact that on the back I had a pair of plain, black, steel, truck wheels I found in the junkyard. I needed something wide enough to handle the Mickey Thompson N50s I bought. I had a bit too much money tied up in “freshening up” the 340 cube and a few other niceties, so was short on dollars to buy a set of wide Cragars for the N50s. Turned out to be the only wheels I ever ran on it. I had an aluminum cased A727 Torqueflite trans that I had a guy go through for me. Couldn’t afford the complete package on the trans at the time, but he did enough to really improve shifting under hard load. Made a big difference in the 1st to 2nd transition for me. That was bolted to a ‘70, 340 cube. I was emailing with gloozalot and I started trying to recall exactly what year that motor was. I finally did enough research to figure out I had a ‘70 model. I based that on the fact that the motor was painted orange and I distinctly recall it had a 10.5:1 compression ratio. It had a 4-bbl on it when I bought it, but I found a 6-pack setup that I ran also. The car actually had a tired 318 in when I bought it and the 340 went in almost immediately.

Can’t tell I liked that car, can ya? The dark green notchback apparently wasn’t an overly popular color so if anybody happens to run across a really good photo of one, feel free to PM me with the link.

 

Steve

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Posted by trainwreck on Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:23 AM

Sounds like a bitchen' ride! Might be a little old school but I don't much care for "pretty" colours anyway just the meat & potatoes, skip the veg. Trainwreck.

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Posted by smhardesty on Thursday, March 16, 2017 12:54 PM
"Old school" pretty much fits the car, and me. I stated before that I was a hard rocking, beer drinking, weekend racing, kind of guy. No doubt about that. The 'Cuda had a lot of add on parts, but very few of them were decorations. When it comes right down to it, I suppose the only real decorative pieces were the 2 Cragar mags on front.

Steve

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Posted by danno54 on Thursday, March 16, 2017 4:02 PM

We had a 67 then a 69 notchbacks for moms car. I don't recall anyone dissing the looks just as nobody dissed the Mustang coupe. Dad ordered them well equipped with nice color combinations. They looked good and the 69 ran real well with a 318. The fastback was probably my favorite looking, as a kid, with the notch and conv about even.

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Posted by trainwreck on Thursday, March 16, 2017 8:50 PM

When I was"much" younger, my neighbour had a dark blue'68 notchback and it was wicked fast. He had installed a bb k member and dropped in a 440 with a Dana 60 in the rear, semi gloss black steel wheels & poverty caps. oooooooohhh, clean. Trainwreck.

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Posted by smhardesty on Friday, March 17, 2017 2:44 PM

danno54

We had a 67 then a 69 notchbacks for moms car. I don't recall anyone dissing the looks just as nobody dissed the Mustang coupe. Dad ordered them well equipped with nice color combinations. They looked good and the 69 ran real well with a 318. The fastback was probably my favorite looking, as a kid, with the notch and conv about even.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say the reason you didn’t hear a lot of the dissing was the fact that you said the cars were your mom’s. Nobody disses Mom, regardless of what she drives. Angel That and the fact that a whole lot of guys wanted to be Ronnie Sox, just like glooz said earlier. It was a “macho” thing, I think. The fastback was by far the more popular of the 2 styles and what everybody ran on the track. What I never did understand was that I bought my ‘67 in the early 70s after the introduction of the E-body ‘Cuda and the disappearance of the fastback forever. So, technically, my ‘67 was consistent with and comparable to all new ‘Cudas being introduced.

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Posted by smhardesty on Friday, March 17, 2017 3:08 PM

trainwreck

When I was"much" younger, my neighbour had a dark blue'68 notchback and it was wicked fast. He had installed a bb k member and dropped in a 440 with a Dana 60 in the rear, semi gloss black steel wheels & poverty caps. oooooooohhh, clean. Trainwreck.

One of the things I’ve always wondered about was what it was like strapping into a ‘67 - ‘69 Barracuda with a built 383 or 440 packed into it. I know exactly what it was like in one with a 340 and at times even that was a little hairy. Although we did a complete rebuild on the motor before we shoveled it in, I didn’t do a whole lot of “beefing up” on the motor. The bottom end only got new stock parts. I opted for a mild street/race cam and a guy I knew said he had read some reports of valve “float” in the 340 at high RPMs so I opted for a set of really stiff new springs. Add on a high performance ignition system and the obligatory headers and that was pretty much the extent of the extra beef. I did run a “cool can” which was popular at the time, but that was only for all out racing nights. Then I had the A727 rebuilt with some mild mods for street racing. Every once in a while the car would hook a little sideways and put a slight rush of adrenaline through me. So a well built 440 in the same car has GOT to be an all out white knuckle experience.

I wasn’t “top dog” on the streets, but I will say that I was tough to beat bracket racing at the strip. I think a lot of that had to do with the build that was in the A727 and those monster N50 tires. Once I got those tires heated up I could almost plant my right foot on the floor and go. Street racing was a different matter. I normally had to give a couple lengths to get most guys to run me. There were 6 or 8 guys that had way more invested in their street machines than I did and I got a length or two on them. Typing this in brought back recollections of several of those other guys and the fun we had.

Steve

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Posted by trainwreck on Friday, March 17, 2017 8:24 PM

Hey, you starting this build soon? I'm intrigued . Trainwreck.

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Posted by chucky on Friday, March 17, 2017 8:24 PM

White knuckles, indeed! And if a well built 440 is good, adding the blue bottle is even better! That plus a manual shift valve body-equipped Torqueflite is how my '72 Duster is equipped. Guaranteed adrenaline rush! Love the A-bodies! 

chucky

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Posted by smhardesty on Saturday, March 18, 2017 12:55 PM

trainwreck

Hey, you starting this build soon? I'm intrigued . Trainwreck.

 

In a word, no. However, technically I've already started. I now know which 2 kits I have to buy for the build and which 3rd kit I probably will need, and have reached out to a couple of sources to find them at the best prices. And I've found a source for the big tires, but the wheels were a slight problem. I believe I have found a solution to that set back as well. I have a resin caster that has decided to add 10” wheels to his line of products. As soon as I see those wheels I’ll be sure and make mention of him on this forum. I’m pretty positive I’ve located the Cragar wheels and the right tires for the front. And right now I’m reading different articles on how to build headers. My ‘Cuda had a set of headers with Thrush mufflers and I’d like to replicate that if I can. I’m not sure which set of kit headers might fit the 340 engine from the AMT ‘71 Duster kit, which I’ll use. If anybody happens to know that, give me a holler. There just aren’t enough differences between the physical appearance of the 2 motors to make a big difference. ‘70-’71 engines were painted orange. They started being painted blue late in ‘71. So all I really need to do to make the motor out of the ‘71 Duster kit look like a ‘70 motor is paint it MOPAR orange.

The reason I’m not starting this build any time soon is that I’m on my very first build after about 50 years. I have to admit I’m running into some obstacles. Without a lot of detail, I have some health problems that cause a slight loss of use and feeling in my right arm/hand, and I’m right handed, of course. So I’m experimenting around with different ways of holding parts, scribing lines, sanding, etc, etc. I knew this first build would take a real long time so I’m not overly frustrated, or at least I wasn’t until I got the opportunity to buy this resin Barracuda notchback body. I’d like nothing more than to just jump right into it, but I know if I do I’ll end up with something less than I’d be happy with. I figure it’ll be the build I start right after I do my wife’s ‘69 Camaro. I already have both Camaro kits and the extra parts to replicate it. And IT will be after I do a couple other kits. So I’m looking at the ‘Cuda being about the 5th or 6th car I build, maybe late this summer. Hopefully I’ll be doing well enough with my kit building by then to post photos as I go. No way I’m posting photos of what I’m doing to this first car. It looks pretty sad right now, but I’m not letting it get to me. I expected this. My “stash” has already reached about 70 cars so I can always pull out one that I’m not as finicky about to get some more practice on.

By the way, I can thank a few members on this forum for all the great tips on what kits and parts I need and where to find them. I just can not say enough about the camaraderie I’ve developed from this forum already. Never a nicer bunch of guys. Compared to the computer and hacker forums (yes, I used to be a serious hacker) I’m used to visiting this place is a hobbyist's dream come true! Thanks to all you guys. Bow

Steve

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Posted by smhardesty on Saturday, March 18, 2017 1:14 PM

chucky

White knuckles, indeed! And if a well built 440 is good, adding the blue bottle is even better! That plus a manual shift valve body-equipped Torqueflite is how my '72 Duster is equipped. Guaranteed adrenaline rush! Love the A-bodies! 

Dang, chucky. I’d be tempted to stay out of your way. A bottled fed 440 in a ‘72 Duster? That’s some serious “go fast” equipment for sure.

The very first time I was involved with any motors on the juice was a wicked little contraption we put together when I was in the Army. We stuffed a 350 motor into a seriously stripped down ‘72 or ‘73 short bed Datsun pickup truck. Mounted the bottle right in the middle of the bed. Of course the 350 was a serious build with about everything we could do to it. I never drove the truck as it belonged to the son of a buddy, but I still remember how wicked fast that thing was, and also how squirrelly it could get if you got on the juice too soon or stayed on it too long.

Steve

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Posted by trainwreck on Saturday, March 18, 2017 1:45 PM

Well I can only hope all the purists & mopar guys are not watching. You can use small block chevy headers on the 360, this should open up a whole lotta' options, as s.b. mopar headers are scarce as hens teeth. Trainwreck. Just remembered, you might find your deep steelies in the batman, goon/police car.  

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Posted by smhardesty on Saturday, March 18, 2017 3:54 PM
With that little tidbit of info in mind, I'd be open to hearing from you "Bowtie Boys" which kit offers a good set of headers. And if anybody happens to have a set in their parts boxes I'd be happy to discuss getting them from you.

Steve

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Posted by smhardesty on Saturday, March 18, 2017 3:57 PM

The resin notchback body arrived in the mail today. It looks great! Well formed and very little sanding or other work will be needed. I guess I should consider getting a can of the correct color green on order.

Steve

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