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1969 Camaro Z28 WIP - Finished, Outdoor Pics!

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Posted by Snake45 on Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:37 PM

modelcarjr
It would be nice to have the door panel that is most often in the RS version.

I'm not sure if you're talking about the kit or the real car here. Been so long since I built my Revell Camaros I honestly don't remember if they had the standard or "Custom" interiors in them--I think they were Standards, and the AMT '68 has that year's version of Custom. I've never had the Revell '69 Convertible, which was originally the Indy Pace Car, so I can't say if that has a different interior or not, but I'm pretty sure the (real) Indy cars (and possibly all the Houndstooth cars) had the Custom interiors--something else to research.

At any rate, on the real cars, the Custom interior had nothing to do with the Rally Sport package. It could be ordered on any Camaro from a stripper 6-cyl coupe right on up through a heavily optioned SS or Z/28 or even COPO. And that last sentence also applies to the Rally Sport package. So the Custom gut and the RS package could be seen together and perhaps often were but the two actually had no connection to each other (except perhaps in the Pace Cars which might have had both as standard).

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Posted by SLUSHER on Thursday, January 23, 2014 2:14 AM

Nice progress JR on the Camaro. I like the Daytona yellow you went with. the 69 Camaro pace car or the new release of the 69 Camaro rs/ss convertible has hounds tooth decals in them. All you have to do is put them on the yellow seats. I also wanted to ask witch yellow you used on the 32 body?? I have a revell 69 Camaro parts kit if you need anything give me an email its new parts and I am glad to help brother.......Slusher

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Posted by modelcarjr on Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:50 AM

Thanks, Snake and Slusher!  I appreciate the information!  I'll be the first to admit that I know little about the 1:1 1969 Camaro. I was just saying that when I pull one up on the internet the RS version generally has what you have called the custom interior. I think it is the custom interior as it does not have the six-sided rectangle (sixtigon?) pattern of stainless on the doors. Since there are so many versions of this car it would be nice if Revell could make different versions of the kit. For instance, if you built this as an RS there is no RS emblem for the middle of the grill either, which I have seen but maybe they didn't put them on all RS versions? I drove nothing but Camaros for 23 years, unfortunately, never and RS, SC, SS, or Indy Pace Car - always a plain-Jane six with a stick, roll-up windows and keyed door locks. They did have a radio and air conditioning.

Slusher, I painted the 32 with the Krylon Bright Idea yellow and I didn't put a clear coat on it because it came out pretty glossy and no orange peel! So I am pretty happy with it and only need to polish it a bit with some wax.

You mentioned using a new Camaro Pace Car kit for the houndstooth decal. Are you talking about the new AMT kits that are all curbside?  Is there a new 69 Camaro kit?  I must have missed it. 

So anyway, I am working on the wheels and tires and wanted to use the AMT Parts Pak tires that I bought, Goodyear L60 - 15s. However, the rally wheels In the kit won't fit because there is a bevel on the edge of the wheel that fits into a groove on the kit tire. Its like the wheel is counter-sunk to the tire. Therefore,  the edge of the AMT tire does not fit along the edge of the AMT tire correctly. In addition, since the AMT tires are hollow tires, there is too much space between the front and back of the wheel.

So I wanted to use another wheel anyway as the dish in the kit wheel is a bit shallow and the hub is short. So the wheel from the Revell 1969 Nova is a much better rally wheel as the slots are actually cut out, the dish is deeper and the hub sticks out farther. Plus they fit the edge of the AMT tire better (not perfect, but better). I built a spacer for the inside of the tire using an Indy car inner wheel (which I have plenty of). In the picture below it is in the foreground in chrome and yellow. But with the cutting and sanding it takes about an hour per wheel to get everything right, because I don't have the tools to cut a straight line through the round piece, causing additional sanding and test-fitting, etc.

I had an idea after building the first one that I could probably buy a washer or bushing at Home Depot that would serve as an adequate spacer. So off I went and bingo - 1/4" flat washer used for sink faucets fits the bill perfectly!  Now all I have to do is paint the steel part of the wheel and put some  blackwash around the hub and I should have 4 tires and wheels that will look a lot better than the kit parts!  Thanks for looking! Cool

 

If you cannot have a good time, what kinda time can you have? JR

Next on the bench:  Another 1970 Hemi 'Cuda, 1958 Chevy Impala, 1987 Buick GNX, 1950 Chevy Pick-up, Indy Reynard, 1965 Corvette, probably not in this order.

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Posted by Rik_Biel on Thursday, January 23, 2014 5:49 PM

Good thinking - it's amazing how many bits and pieces can be easily integrated into models  :)

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Posted by modelcarjr on Thursday, January 23, 2014 6:26 PM

Thanks Rik!  I appreciate your comment!  Finished the wheels and now I have a nice set of Rallys on Goodyear L60 - 15s and they look pretty good.  I did some detailing on the dash, painted the extra set of seat yesterday, the doors are foiled and painted the engine block orange.  I painted the black pieces ealier in the weak and am adding some clear to various parts in the garage because it has been raining all day and we are suppose to have sleet and ice. Houndstooth decals have been shipped and Keith Marks decals have been ordered.  I'll wait for the Keith Marks decals to complete the dash but I have plenty to do. Put the chassis together to make sure the wheels and tires will work and start on the engine distributor wiring. Thanks for looking! Cool

 

 

 

If you cannot have a good time, what kinda time can you have? JR

Next on the bench:  Another 1970 Hemi 'Cuda, 1958 Chevy Impala, 1987 Buick GNX, 1950 Chevy Pick-up, Indy Reynard, 1965 Corvette, probably not in this order.

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Posted by CarGuy1963 on Thursday, January 23, 2014 10:09 PM

Wow Jr, This is gonna be one sweet Camaro! I agree with you on the wheels. The ones out of the 69 Nova SS kit are very well cast from Revell. I also think the kit wheels out of the Revell 67 Chevelle are very well cast too, and they have the shorter center cap. I have a set of both, just waiting to be cast in resin for future builds. LOL. Keep up the great work my man, This is gonna be a show stopper when it's done.

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Posted by SLUSHER on Friday, January 24, 2014 1:40 AM

JR, Revell repoped the old indy 69 convertible pace car with it being just a 69 RS/SS and not a pace car. Some hobby lobby stores have clearanced them out. I picked up one and plan on building a convertible with copo dog dish wheels and tires and no stripes......Slusher

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Posted by modelcarjr on Friday, January 24, 2014 7:48 AM

Thanks, CarGuy and Slusher!  Slusher I don't remember seeing the Revell 69 RS/SS around here but I am going to look for it next time I'm there. I'd like to build a convertible too!

Well, I am mocking up the wheels and tires with suspension pieces using some white glue and much to my chagrin the Revell modeling gods have frowned on my alterations to this build. The L60-15s plus not using their tires and wheels created a suspension/wheel/tire combination that is 1/2" too wide!  Quite a difference to make up. I think the differences are that the L-60s are about 1/8" wider (accounting for 1/4") and the countersunk wheels and wheels backs in the tires accounts for another !'8" inch on each side. So I pulled the wheel backs off of the 1/4" spacer I added on the back of the wheel, changed the tires to the F60 - 15s in the AMT Pak and will glue the axle hub to the spacer with no wheel back and probably use some 5 minute epoxy to glue the wheel to the tire to prevent wheel from coming off the tire. Here's what it looks like mocked up:

The fender lip looks a little low to the top of the tire and that is because the kit wheel and tire are bigger. Also notice that the wheel in inset in the tire. Both aspects of the Revell tire and wheel I'm sure are designed to get everything to fit but both are unsatisfying to me.  And I would like it to sit a little lower, anyway. So next I'll mock up the rear wheels and tires and see how that goes!  Thanks for looking! Cool

If you cannot have a good time, what kinda time can you have? JR

Next on the bench:  Another 1970 Hemi 'Cuda, 1958 Chevy Impala, 1987 Buick GNX, 1950 Chevy Pick-up, Indy Reynard, 1965 Corvette, probably not in this order.

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Posted by modelcarjr on Friday, January 24, 2014 9:26 AM

This is what I have with white glue. I'll have to remember to push the rear suspension assembly forward as much as possible and the front toward the rear.  Thanks for looking! Cool

If you cannot have a good time, what kinda time can you have? JR

Next on the bench:  Another 1970 Hemi 'Cuda, 1958 Chevy Impala, 1987 Buick GNX, 1950 Chevy Pick-up, Indy Reynard, 1965 Corvette, probably not in this order.

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Posted by Samiches on Friday, January 24, 2014 9:56 AM

modelcarjr, that Camaro is looking excellent.  

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Posted by SLUSHER on Friday, January 24, 2014 12:12 PM

JR, I had a problem on my Camaro with the wheel backs pushing the tires out to far so I used the small wheel backs out of the Camaro copo kit and they worked better for me. here is a link to the convertible Camaro so you know what the box art looks like........Slusher

http://www.modelroundup.com/product-p/rmx-4929.htm

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Posted by modelcarjr on Friday, January 24, 2014 7:40 PM

Thanks, Samiches and Slusher!  I appreciate your comments!  Slusher, thanks for the pic of the SS/RS Camaro - I'm gonna look for it along with the 70 'Cuda next time at HobbyLobby! And my wheelbacks are 1/4" flat faucet washers!

Finished the chassis except for driveshaft. I like my lower profile and I think I got the wheels in position in the wheel well pretty well.  Thanks for looking! Cool

If you cannot have a good time, what kinda time can you have? JR

Next on the bench:  Another 1970 Hemi 'Cuda, 1958 Chevy Impala, 1987 Buick GNX, 1950 Chevy Pick-up, Indy Reynard, 1965 Corvette, probably not in this order.

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Posted by SLUSHER on Saturday, January 25, 2014 5:09 PM

I also forgot to tell you JR, the convertible has RS/SS door panels and power windows.......Slusher

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Posted by modelcarjr on Saturday, January 25, 2014 5:18 PM

Thanks, Slusher!  I'll definitely have to get one of those!

Finished wiring and plumbing the engine a bit today. Added fuel line, what I think are heat risers, heater hoses and plug wires. Still have to paint the air filter.  If nothing else its colorful!  Hoping to get the houndstooth decals today but I'll have to wait till next week. Foiling the body is next. Thanks for looking!  Cool

 

 

If you cannot have a good time, what kinda time can you have? JR

Next on the bench:  Another 1970 Hemi 'Cuda, 1958 Chevy Impala, 1987 Buick GNX, 1950 Chevy Pick-up, Indy Reynard, 1965 Corvette, probably not in this order.

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Posted by modelcarjr on Sunday, January 26, 2014 7:17 PM

Got the engine in and had to trim the motor mounts on the crossmember a bit to push down the engine a bit. Its also tight on the firewall but then aren't all chevys. I may trim the front of the frame a bit to push it forward a tad. Started the foil on the body after polishing it a bit. I'll finish the wheel arch trim in the morning. Thanks for looking! Cool

 

If you cannot have a good time, what kinda time can you have? JR

Next on the bench:  Another 1970 Hemi 'Cuda, 1958 Chevy Impala, 1987 Buick GNX, 1950 Chevy Pick-up, Indy Reynard, 1965 Corvette, probably not in this order.

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Posted by CarGuy1963 on Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:44 PM

Love the detail on the motor Jr. Great job!

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Posted by Samiches on Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:55 PM

I agree with CarGuy1963, love the motor's detail.

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Posted by SLUSHER on Monday, January 27, 2014 2:23 AM

Looking really sharp JR, have you had any trouble with the exhaust mating all the way up to the headers?  Was your chassis completely level? I have a warped chassis because the car will not sit level.. going to build another chissis......Slusher.

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Posted by modelcarjr on Monday, January 27, 2014 5:46 AM

Thanks, CarGuy, Samiches and Slusher!  I appreciate your comments! Slusher, my frame is not warped and the only issue I had with the chassis I mentioned earlier was trimming the motor mounts on the crossmember to push the front of the engine down for hood clearance. I even managed to eliminate the line in the oil pan pretty well caused by mating the engine halves.  It was tricky threading the engine through the opening and hooking everything up and I knocked each of the headers off before finally getting it in. So far the only problems are ones I caused in the interior and of course changing the wheel backs to faucet washers to use the other tires and wheels. But they worked and look like wheel backs!

I'll finish the foil and work on other detail like the battery, firewall, interior headliner and glass while I wait on the decals to arrive.  Thanks for looking! Cool

If you cannot have a good time, what kinda time can you have? JR

Next on the bench:  Another 1970 Hemi 'Cuda, 1958 Chevy Impala, 1987 Buick GNX, 1950 Chevy Pick-up, Indy Reynard, 1965 Corvette, probably not in this order.

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Posted by modelcarjr on Monday, January 27, 2014 8:46 AM

Here's my method for doing wheel arches. I cut a 2 1/4" long strip that is about 1/16" wide. I tack one end down and then move around the arch using my thumb to move about 1/8" at a time while keeping a little tension on the other end using my other hand and/or a tweezers in the other hand (operating the camera in this picture).

When I get near the end I often use my index finger and keep tension on the other end with my tweezers in the other hand.

Once it is all around the arch I then rub down the outer and inner edges using a worn square to round toothpick. This way I have a nice clean edge without doing any trimming with a knife on the paint. I cut whatever excess on the end and don't rap any excess around the back as it will cause problems later and unravel the foil.

Thanks for looking! Cool

 

If you cannot have a good time, what kinda time can you have? JR

Next on the bench:  Another 1970 Hemi 'Cuda, 1958 Chevy Impala, 1987 Buick GNX, 1950 Chevy Pick-up, Indy Reynard, 1965 Corvette, probably not in this order.

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Posted by CarGuy1963 on Monday, January 27, 2014 1:25 PM

Wow, Very cool Jr. Thanks for the mini tut. I will have to try that.

Its only plastic until you add imagination! CG63.

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Posted by SLUSHER on Monday, January 27, 2014 9:02 PM

JR, I like how you painted your headers black. I may start doing that to some of mine. I AM not good at foiling wheel arches thanks for the tip.............Slusher

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Posted by modelcarjr on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:17 AM

Thanks, CarGuy and Slusher!  Slusher, I actually painted the headers gunmetal but with a brush so it comes out pretty black. Should have applied with airbrush but its too much hassle. The internet car I am using has the gunmetal headers.

I received the houndstooth decals from Scale Motersports and got them on. I have used their carbon fiblre decals in the past and was very pleased with them.  I am a little disappointed with these declals as the edges seem to want to fray off when applying Micro Set with a brush. The cardstock sheet also curls up a bit indicating to me that it might be old stock. But they're on and I also flatted them out using some Poly S flat with a brush after letting them dry overnight. Then I built some seat belts for the front seat using some seat belt material I got a long tome ago for $.65 (the vendor must have seen me coming). I also used buckles from a 60 Corvette kit that I built awhile back and some male ends from spare parets of a racing harness that I previously built.

I think this will fairly replicate a 69 Camaro interior. Waiting on K Marks decals to finish the dash.  No seat belts in the back as no one ever rides in the backseat of a Camaro! I stuck them under the seat! Laugh

 

If you cannot have a good time, what kinda time can you have? JR

Next on the bench:  Another 1970 Hemi 'Cuda, 1958 Chevy Impala, 1987 Buick GNX, 1950 Chevy Pick-up, Indy Reynard, 1965 Corvette, probably not in this order.

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Posted by CarGuy1963 on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 3:21 PM

Lookin good Jr. However your statement about no one riding in the backseat of a 69 Camaro, I can tell you is not entirely true. Atleast in my case anyway. My ex wife went into labor with our first child in the backseat of a 69 Camaro. We had just gotten in after a dinner out with some friends when her water broke. Needless to say my buddy wasn't happy bout the whole wet seat and floor thing, but he handled it like a trooper, and I think that was the fastest ride to the hospital I have ever been on. LMAO! Fond memory tho.

Its only plastic until you add imagination! CG63.

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Posted by CarGuy1963 on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 3:24 PM

Oh and we made him her Godfather too.

Its only plastic until you add imagination! CG63.

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Posted by stump on Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:44 AM

This...is a sweet looking ride man. Cool Smile

LOVE the colour, LOVE the interior and I LooooVE that motor. Thumbs Up Great work mate.

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Posted by Samiches on Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:53 PM

I like the seat belts.  Those are something I haven't been able to make from scratch yet.

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Posted by modelcarjr on Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:35 PM

Thanks, CarGuy, Stump and Samiches!  I appreciate your comments and CarGuy sorry to hear about your ordeal!

Just working on a few details and waiting on decals.  I have everything ready to go when they get here. I want to add the decals in the dash and console so I haven't assembled the interior completely yet.  I foiled the edges of the taillights and stuck those in without any glue! Not a very good picture.  Now I work on the front and hope the decals get here soon. Thanks for looking! Cool

If you cannot have a good time, what kinda time can you have? JR

Next on the bench:  Another 1970 Hemi 'Cuda, 1958 Chevy Impala, 1987 Buick GNX, 1950 Chevy Pick-up, Indy Reynard, 1965 Corvette, probably not in this order.

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Posted by justmike on Wednesday, January 29, 2014 9:09 PM

Wow!!  A fellow goes on hiatus for a couple of days and look what happens!!  Looks good. I have had decals be stubborn that way and now what I will do is get them moist with the decal solution and then get them into an airtight container of some kind so that the solution can't evaporate. It has sometimes taken a lot of time with regular reapplication but at least I don't end up wrecking a decal by pushing and prodding it too often.

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Posted by modelcarjr on Thursday, January 30, 2014 5:26 PM

Thanks, Mike!  I appreciate your comment and maybe I'll try that method some time.

Finished the front end.  Then I cleaned up the body with some wax. dotted the key locks, painted the marker lamps and even painted the hinges on the hood and mounted the license plate decals on the frames. Nothing else to do until I get the decals and they didn't come today. So I put this one aside and work on rubbing out the Z06 Corvette and start on it until the decals get here. Thanks for looking! Cool

If you cannot have a good time, what kinda time can you have? JR

Next on the bench:  Another 1970 Hemi 'Cuda, 1958 Chevy Impala, 1987 Buick GNX, 1950 Chevy Pick-up, Indy Reynard, 1965 Corvette, probably not in this order.

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