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1972 Pontiac LeMans WIP
Posted by tabbysdaddy on Sunday, July 1, 2012 10:12 PM

I thought I'd do a WIP on my '72 LeMans project. My inspiration is my vehicle:

Closest thing they have is the '72 GTO, so I'm going to have to do some modifying. This is my first attempt at modifications this in depth, but looking forward to trying my best. I think I'm going to build it as I want mine when finished, give or take a few details. Here's the kit I'm using:

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Posted by tabbysdaddy on Sunday, July 1, 2012 10:19 PM

The big difference appearance wise outside is the nose and hood. First I decided to cut off the nose:

I felt it would be easier to work the headlight buckets while still attached to the body. The headlights are horrible and need some work. Before working the nose, I felt it would be better to install the radiator support, which I also want to work on for a more realistic look. I can't install the support until I see where the engine is going to end up, so I started engine assembly:

The oil pan was too wide, so I split it and narrowed it.

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Posted by Space Cowboy on Sunday, July 1, 2012 10:32 PM

You have my attetion. Looks like you are off to a good start.

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Posted by rickr442 on Monday, July 2, 2012 3:34 AM

Interesting project! 

You know that the LeMans in '71 and '72 were availkable with the GTOs bumper as a low cost option...

Simulating it would save you a lot of work!

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Posted by SLUSHER on Monday, July 2, 2012 7:38 AM

Sound like an iteresting project....Slusher

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Posted by Aleks Padilla on Monday, July 2, 2012 12:17 PM

Nice start, sound great and I'll be looking for it.

 

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Posted by mrchevyblack on Monday, July 2, 2012 1:13 PM

That is an  wip to follow!!!! 

Very interesting!

Daniel

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Posted by tabbysdaddy on Wednesday, July 4, 2012 12:01 AM

Thanks guys.

If you're not familiar with the LeMans, this is the nose I have to duplicate:

It's a good thing I have one, I don't think I could do this using only pictures. I've walked outside a hundred times eyeballing stuff.

Although I'm holding off on doing the nose right now I did chop it a little to make it more workable for later.

It looks a bit like the bumper, a little flat though.

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Posted by tabbysdaddy on Wednesday, July 4, 2012 12:10 AM

I started work on the firewall. Here's how it was:

That whole brake area, not even close. Maybe a GTO is way different? Also mine has a/c and that box doesn't look anything like mine. Off they come:

The firewall was very thin and flimsy, I decided to add a layer to the back and also made the contour better so it would attach to the body better. Then I filled in the holes.

I've got the valve covers stripping in Greased Lightning, the intake stripped pretty quick in there. There's issues with how the engine is going together. I figured the best way to correct it was to make the heads a bit taller so I added to the bottom of them.

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Posted by tabbysdaddy on Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:17 AM

I installed the firewall. I'll make the a/c box and booster for it and I'll be able to check clearances:

I did a little shaping to the passenger side headlight bucket. Still needs work.

 

Next I did a little to the interior. Before:

I had already removed the clutch and brake pedals. Then the console had to come out, mine doesn't have it:

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Posted by tabbysdaddy on Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:26 AM

Here you can see the plastic I had to add to make the heads and intake fit the tiny engine.

This car has what I'm assuming is a 4 speed manual and my car has a 200-4R, so I'm going to have to make it look like mine. I'll have to do some shaping, but I did make the pan:

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Posted by Stuntman Mike on Thursday, July 5, 2012 8:14 AM

Hello there

I like what you´re doing on this one. I´ve built a 72 GTO a few weeks ago and it is one of the worst kits I have ever seen in my 20+ years in this hobby. While the body is quite good to work with (except for the huge sinkmarks on the trunk lid), the remaining parts are simply horrible in detail and fit.

Prepare to have some major fun with the chassis. The holes for the rear metal axle are not aligning and the wheels are not centered in the wheel wells.

Another adventure will be the rear bumper. It is too wide and has to be shortened ALOT.

I hated this kit and the plastic it is made of and I´m not going to built it ever again. The only good thing about this kit is...finally I got it finished...

Hope you have less issues with completing this built. I´m gonna keep watching.

 

Greetz

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Posted by High octane on Thursday, July 5, 2012 11:21 AM

That's quite a project you've undertaken and it looks like you're really into it. Good luck. I never build models of my rides as I can just go into the garage and look at them. To each their own.

High octane

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Posted by ddpod on Saturday, July 7, 2012 11:40 PM

I hope to see this when its done. looks like a hard conversion.

I also was thinking of doing the same, but had also heard of the poor quality that the model had, so i scraped the idea.

I also had a 72 LeMans 2dr 350 at about 15 years ago. But my 1:1 was pretty rust free. sure wish i had it still.

good luck! Thumbs Up

 

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Posted by tabbysdaddy on Sunday, July 8, 2012 2:59 PM

I don't think it's a bad kit, but I'm not too picky either. You can follow along and decide for yourselves. You can see what I had to do for the engine, so it wasn't the greatest. Body is nice except mine had some deformation around the headlight area which doesn't affect my build. Interior is okay, dashboard is pretty nice. Chassis has no separate pieces for the front suspension, rear axle driveshaft and exhaust are one molded separate unit which isn't great but can be replaced. I don't expect these older kits to fall right together so some modifying is assumed for me.

I've got the engine together, the transmission roughed in pretty decent (I think) and primered. Anything visible I'll work on more, thinking about making a transmission dipstick. Let me know what you think so far.

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Posted by Stuntman Mike on Sunday, July 8, 2012 3:41 PM

The engine looks very good so far. I´ve built the engine straight from the box and only added some wiring. Keep up the good work.Yes

Here is a pic of my GTO with decals from Keith Marks.

I was having a hard time to get the model done. Especially the rear bumper was a pain. I cut it in the center, shortened it and glued the halves back together. The notch for the license plate had to be modified as it was too small after the mods of the bumper. The area between the rear lights was then covered with BMF.

Greetz

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Posted by tabbysdaddy on Sunday, July 8, 2012 4:36 PM

It looks nice. I'd like to see more pics of it.

I modified the radiator. Here's a before pic with the chassis thrown in:

My radiator has side tanks and is wider. Cutting off the top tank and cutting it in half fixed both problems. Then I filled the top with a piece of an extra radiator in the kit:

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Posted by Stuntman Mike on Sunday, July 8, 2012 6:25 PM

I´ll post it as soon as the model is completely finished. There is still some BMF missing on the door handles and I have to built a rear spoiler from scratch. The model is done like the GTO which was seen in the pilot movie of "The Walking Dead" series (which I think is really cool). The car is in a short chase scene before it gets totaled... Another waste of classic muscle cars. It hurts everytime when Hollywood crashes historic cars. Even if most of them are junkers from the scrapyard.

Best Regards

Kevin

 

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Posted by B.C> Model Guy on Sunday, July 8, 2012 7:46 PM

Your buil;d looks outstanding and VERY nicely done! The colors are really righteous and make the car look very authentic. I'm eager to see more pictures of it.

I wouldn't bet that all of the cars Hollywood and the motion picture/TV industry destroys are scrap yard refugees. My son bought three of the '80/81 Camaros that were used in the second last episode of Stargate Atlantis and one of the three cars is the car that gets shot up right near the end of that episode. It was a Z28 that they removed all of the Z28 emblems, fenders and hood from and converted it to a plain jane Camaro. The car was/is solid and rust free and it's a shame. I could post pictures of the cars but I do not want to appear to hijack the thread.

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Posted by tabbysdaddy on Wednesday, July 11, 2012 12:52 AM

I installed the radiator support and added plastic to the fenders to hold the hood from falling in. The fenders tweaked a bit from cutting off the nose so I corrected it with the support.

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Posted by felhasznaaloo on Wednesday, July 11, 2012 9:24 AM

Great work! Will be looking. Regards, Csaba

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Posted by gbeaird on Wednesday, July 11, 2012 1:35 PM

Man, I'm with Stuntman Mike on this one.  While looking at all the work you're doing on this kit, I'm thinking "wow, that's a really _bad_ kit!"  I guess part of the reason for my thoughts is I'm a Pontiac fan, having owned 5 in my life (quite possibly all 5 at the same time at one point).  

You're doing some excellent work here!  Since the interior tub is just that, a 'tub', how did you cut the console out so cleanly?  Thanks.

Gene Beaird,

Pearland, Texas

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Posted by tabbysdaddy on Wednesday, July 11, 2012 8:24 PM

Just a lot of patience and the back side of a hobby blade. I think I'm going to have to pick up a few new tools for this project. I've been working with just hobby knives and sandpaper for a very long time. I think a few different files will make things much easier on myself.

Thanks everyone for your comments.

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Posted by SFC K on Wednesday, July 11, 2012 8:44 PM

That is looking really good so far! I wish model manufactures would have never used the steel rods for the axles on kits. It creates more work for us trying to omit them...You have done a great job on the engine so far!

Jeff

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Posted by aussiemuscle308 on Friday, July 13, 2012 12:13 AM

i have a similar project if you're interested

www.thepartsbox.com/.../viewtopic.php

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Posted by tabbysdaddy on Friday, July 13, 2012 1:36 AM

Yes I am interested. I swear I saw that before in my searches a long time ago, but I thought the thread was longer with more details. I know they were building that same movie car, but I thought there were more screen shots of the movie car. I also vaguely remember someone suggesting to use a Chevelle front bumper. Might have been someone else. I really like that you made it a four door. If you like, feel free to post up some pics of it here. I'm interested in seeing how others have built up this kit, and it inspires me.

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Posted by tabbysdaddy on Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:57 PM

Next on my agenda was placing the headlights. If I had to pick the worst part of this kit, it would be the headlights. They aren't set right on the nose which really makes them look horrible. I separated them, roughed in the locations and sunk them in deeper.

Compared to the mostly unworked side:

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Posted by DEUCE1932 on Monday, July 16, 2012 8:48 AM

Love the attention to detail. Can't wait to see more!!

Scott

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Posted by tabbysdaddy on Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:04 PM

I've got the headlights on both sides set where they go. Man it really improves the look of the front with the headlights separated. It looks like they tried to cram in the headlights in too small a space.

I also started filling the hole in the floor:

Since the headlights are now placed, I started work on the hood. No pics yet until I have something decent for you to look at. I figured it would be easier to make the nose match the hood than the hood match the nose, so the nose will be after.

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Posted by datsun1200 on Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:23 AM

i like this project. looking forward to more of your updates.

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