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ERTL Farm Tractors ?
Posted by Bainford on Saturday, May 10, 2008 8:28 PM

Does anyone have a list of the 1/25 farm tractor kits offered by ERTL in the 70s?

 

I have a project that requires a farm tractor, and I am interested to know what was available so I can choost the best one for my project. It will likely be a difficult search. Does anyone have any experiance with these kits? What is the detail like, especially the engine?

 

Thanks

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Trevor

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Posted by FreightTrain on Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:42 PM

They had a very nice collection of plastic farm tractors & equipment and a hot rod tractor ( tractor puller) that is a Massey & Ferguson model which was also available in stock & I still have that model. Also a John Deere 4410? with a closed cab option which was last released in the '90s and the detail level was pretty good. They also had several farm trailers & plows as well as a John Deere backhole tractor. All the farm equipment kits had excellent detail just like the International truck kits that were available at the same time. Not as well detailed as the semi truck kits but good enough to keep you busy!

I bought some of the kits at my local International & John Deere dealers. I'am sure there was other tractor models included but I never got them. The engine detail is good and much like what one would find in a AMT kit which included separate exhaust and a few other parts. The hood, cabs, axles, interior details, decals, PTO parts were all separate and I remember the fit was pretty good too. I give all those Ertl farm kits a thumbs up!

I wish they would release all those cool kits again!

~ Jeff

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Posted by PLOWJOCKEY55 on Sunday, May 11, 2008 11:53 AM

The closed cab Jorn Deere is so-so. The one I built had to be detailed out. I posted a photo of mine in dioramas last night under "Down on the Farm"

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Posted by dpty_dawg_ca on Sunday, May 11, 2008 8:45 PM

Hi Trevor

FreightTrain has pretty well covered the Ertl tractors. They produced an International 1466, Massey Ferguson 1155, John Deere 4430 and a John Deere 310 Backhoe. They also made 6 furrow plows for each make and dump-box wagons for each. I have built all of the tractors but only have the International plow and wagon. I don't have the Bi-centenial edition M-F pull tractor though. I Think ot was the standard 1155 with special decals and box art. The M-F has a V8 Perkins Diesel.

The John Deeres are the easiest to come by because they were the only ones to be repopped.

J.L Ertl (the diecast tractor guy) produced a few 1/25th scale diecast combines around 2000. The M-F 8780 had a plastic body on a diecast chassis which makes it easier to detail than the metal ones

Hope this helps

Carl

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Posted by Bainford on Monday, May 12, 2008 10:32 AM

Great info, thanks alot guys. I never knew there was a pulling tractor kit. The project I'am planning is a pulling tractor build. I am going to do some research to see which of the available kits would be most suitable ...likely the Massey.

 

Thanks again, this is a big help Thumbs Up

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Lightness matters everywhere. - Colin Chapman

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 12, 2008 3:20 PM

dpty_dawg_ca

Hi Trevor

FreightTrain has pretty well covered the Ertl tractors. They produced an International 1466, Massey Ferguson 1155, John Deere 4430 and a John Deere 310 Backhoe. They also made 6 furrow plows for each make and dump-box wagons for each. I have built all of the tractors but only have the International plow and wagon. I don't have the Bi-centenial edition M-F pull tractor though. I Think ot was the standard 1155 with special decals and box art. The M-F has a V8 Perkins Diesel.

The John Deeres are the easiest to come by because they were the only ones to be repopped.

J.L Ertl (the diecast tractor guy) produced a few 1/25th scale diecast combines around 2000. The M-F 8780 had a plastic body on a diecast chassis which makes it easier to detail than the metal ones

Hope this helps

Carl

 As I remember them, the grain wagons were identical, except for color of plastic (red for IH, green for JD), same with the 6-bottom plows.  However, why do I want to remember them doing a disc harrow?

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Posted by lordairgtar on Monday, May 12, 2008 6:52 PM

 Didn't Heller make a tractor kit years ago?

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 12, 2008 7:31 PM

lordairgtar

 Didn't Heller make a tractor kit years ago?

 Yes, they did.  As did Airfix, decades ago, Massey Harris, I believe.

Also, a German company, back in the late 50's, produced a 1/24th scale Ford 8N in plastic as well--very hard to find when they were in production, rare to unobtainium now.

And, Product Miniatures (PMC), did a fairly large line of acetate plastic promo's of Allis Chalmers tractors and construction equipment in the late 1950's.

 Biscuitbuilder1

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Posted by dpty_dawg_ca on Monday, May 12, 2008 7:34 PM

Hi biscuitbuilder1

I think you are right with respect to the wagons. They were all the same except for the colour of the plastic used. However I think (but I don't know for sure) that the plows were unique to each brand. The only plow that I have is the IH one which has some features that are uniquely IH. I do not believe that Ertl ever produced a disc in 1/25th scale plastic

thanks

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Posted by FreightTrain on Monday, May 12, 2008 11:02 PM

Bainford

Great info, thanks alot guys. I never knew there was a pulling tractor kit. The project I'am planning is a pulling tractor build. I am going to do some research to see which of the available kits would be most suitable ...likely the Massey.

 

Thanks again, this is a big help Thumbs Up

 Interesting thing about the Tractor Puller kit, its actually the stock kit with a set of huge incorrect but very nice BIG tube headers that exit out on the sides instead of the top like most all pullers do, bigger back tires with mag like wheels, puller weights.

Whoever designed that kit didn't know much about tractor pullers or never even saw one before cause if you do build this version, it will look toy like...with some scratchbuild & creative work it can look like a decent tractor puller. It has a full cab also which I have never seen on a tractor puller cause of the weight. The kit does contain all the stock parts. The front tires & wheels are stock & included in the kit. Even has the stock exhaust included & decals too.

Either way, it is a nice kit and I remember having fun building it. Still have it somewhere and hope to restore it one day if I can find a set of stock M&F decals. I got the kit back in the mid '70s and painted it blue! Yuck...it should of been red & silver which is the factory M&F colors.

~ Jeff

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Posted by Bainford on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:54 AM

Thanks for the additional info, Jeff. I'm not too surprised that the puller version is less than accurate. It may provide a decent starting point, though. The tires alone would be a big help, as I had originally intended to modify kit tires to make a master for casting my own larger tires. I figure any tractor kit will require significant modification to make a decent puller. Though I believe it would be helpful to start with the Massey puller kit, it is likely extremely hard to find. The John Deere is much easier to find (having been reissued in the 90s), so I may have to settle for it. I have yet to do some research to determine of the John Deere 4430 will make a suitable competition puller.

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Posted by lordairgtar on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:48 PM

 I've seen pullers here in Wisconsin. Some I've seen had Hemi engines or Lincoln 460s instesd of the usual tractor power plant. You could just about do anything because many are farm built on the farm in the owners workshop. I remember a kit that had three Hemis and MeisterBrau sponsorship. Orange colors. That was a purpose built competition vehicle.

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Posted by FreightTrain on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:55 PM

That tractor puller kit you mention is the AMT kit..it has 3 Aris Chevy engines and is a great kit with lots of details and looks right on for a heavy modified tractor puller complete with the hitch & weights. Its a custom made setup copy from the real thing and has no tractor name brand. Its also a hard to find kit & goes for big $$. I put 2 of them together years ago. I really enjoyed this kit cause its so realistic and I use to go to tractor pulls all the time back in the late '70s. There was also a '37? Chevy truck puller kit too. Both were produce in the early '80s I believe. I wish someone would bring those kits back again and they didn't stay out in the market very long for some reason. The tractor puller kit also had a little red wagon & neat ice chest included.

I plan to scratchbuild one using the Allison engine w/4 Holley carbs which was a very common setup in the '70s and I guess still is? One I remember that had 4 Chrysler hemi engines and the sound was Awesome when the engines were on full power! Regular farm tractors using their original engines usually had powerful twin turbos which I believe the Ertl M&F kit was suppose to be.

~ Jeff

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Posted by Bainford on Friday, May 16, 2008 1:44 PM

I have the AMT kit with the three Arias engines, and it is a neat kit. I'm looking forward to getting this one together one of these days. I would like to get my hands on the Orange Blossom Special 37 Chevy puller, though. It's a neat kit also.

 

I've seen Allison powered tractors also, and one of these would make a cool puller project. I have one Allison engine in my stash, and would like to pick up a few more. These are going to be released soon in the same box as about six other AMT parts pack engines. That will be the chance to pick a few up. I also have a Rolls Royce Merlin that I may try to resin copy sometime.

 

I have thought about building a farm tractor based puller with a car engine, but I am really itching to do one with the modified diesel tractor engine. I love watching these things pull. The sound of the screaming turbos and the sight of those thick columns of black smoke being thrown into the sky is something to behold.

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Lightness matters everywhere. - Colin Chapman

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Posted by J.Schiermeier on Sunday, January 14, 2018 10:16 AM

I realize this is an old thread, but I have been speaking with Round Two about reproducing the tractos at least.

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Posted by Lincoslam on Sunday, January 14, 2018 3:31 PM
Based on how well sales are on the Heller Ferguson (read: Ford N series) tractor, perhaps the time might be right for some others including the Ertl tractors and implements from the 70's. It's been almost 20 years since we saw reissue of the Deere 4430, and the John Deere Back Hoe. I suspect we may see them if the licensing doesn't get out of hand. I would like to see them available again.
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Posted by mini man on Sunday, January 14, 2018 4:24 PM

Got the back hoe.

 

 

Will build most anything,love American cars muscle etc.Britishvehicles are a buzz too,trucks are great - want to do a jet truck,building parts up...

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Posted by Bainford on Monday, January 15, 2018 8:10 AM

J.Schiermeier

I realize this is an old thread, but I have been speaking with Round Two about reproducing the tractos at least.

 

Thank you Mr. Schiermeier. This is indeed an old thread, but nonetheless valid as I have not yet found an Ertl tractor. I hope you are successful in bending Round2's ear, and I will still be picking up a couple of tractors if they are released, especially the Massy puller and the John Deere back-hoe.

Power matters in the straights.
Lightness matters everywhere. - Colin Chapman

Trevor

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Posted by Big Gary on Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:35 AM

I have a modeling friend who always say "Have you checked Ebay?" 

I know some of you call it Evil bay, but, hey, it can be a place to get stuff.

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Posted by Tim Boyd on Sunday, January 28, 2018 3:29 PM

For all of you revisiting this thread, every one of the Ertl Farm Tractor and Accessory kits are pictured and discussed in the December, 2016 Scale Auto magazine article "Ertl before AMT". Check it out.....TIM

PS - the John Deere and IH plows are mostly different, sharing only a few parts (as described in the article...)

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Posted by Bainford on Monday, January 29, 2018 7:17 AM

Thanks Tim. I haven't picked up that issue. I'll be sure to check it out. Cheers.

Power matters in the straights.
Lightness matters everywhere. - Colin Chapman

Trevor

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