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R&R Vacuum Craft
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 6:07 PM
Doe anyone know if R&R Vacuum Craft is still in business?
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:44 PM
To the best of my knowledge they still have a web site, and have a limited list of upcoming releases. I also know of an outfit that has a large inventory of the older resins.They don't have a web site, but I'll try to get contact info at my show on May 2nd. WOLF
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:53 PM
Thanks Wolf. I looked for a website but didn't find one for them. Any info you can get I would appreciate it. They made some really cool resin bodies.
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  • From: Orange County, CA
Posted by SoCalCarCulture on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:59 PM
R&R has never had a website and according to Ray never will, he doesn't even like to do mail-order business. I would suggest that you only buy R&R products when you see them at shows and always open the box they hand you - the best ones are always on display!

Here's their contact info...

R&R Vacuumcraft
8324 Calkins Rd.
Flint, Michigan 48532
810-659-7874
Dave Lindsay http://www.socalcarculture.com
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Posted by raisin27 on Saturday, May 08, 2004 6:15 PM
Amen to that!.............I bought a resin kit from them at a show and when I got home and opened it up the quality was so bad I ended up using it to build a junkyard junker model.
QUOTE: Originally posted by SoCalCarCulture

R&R has never had a website and according to Ray never will, he doesn't even like to do mail-order business. I would suggest that you only buy R&R products when you see them at shows and always open the box they hand you - the best ones are always on display!

Here's their contact info...

R&R Vacuumcraft
8324 Calkins Rd.
Flint, Michigan 48532
810-659-7874
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v19/amazinraisin27/
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 08, 2004 9:10 PM
Thanks for the info. I think I will pass on buying any products from them right now.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 09, 2004 3:50 PM
Please don't get the wrong idea about these products. R&R has over 1200 kits in inventory. some are really great, some will take a contract with the devil to make them presentable.This is a problem we accept as the challange of building resin. At my show last week i bought a Checker Marathon and a 54 mercury montery HT. The Merc will match with a 56 ford with very little work, The checker is going to take a lot of work due to thickness of the resin, less than great fit, missing wheels and tires and very delicate detail bits. But, on the plus side, I will have a piece that's only available in metal elsewhere. He also has a 71 boattail Rivera, 60-67 Chev station wagons, 62-65 Chev novas,3 56 Ford wagons (Parklane, woody, and ranch wagon), I will not argue the point of quality of the product, but must remind everyone that these kits are presented in openable boxes and should be checked, just like any other item that is offered to us. The statement "Let the buyer beware" still applies. I even check open models before I purchase them. just remember, noone will twist your arm to buy, but you have a product available that you can't find elsewhere and YOU have the choice. Happy modeling, WOLF
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 09, 2004 6:03 PM
Thanks Wolf. I will keep that in mind if and when I get to a show where they are selling. That was the one thing that interested me about R&R was the unusual bodies and kits they produced.
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  • From: generally earth
Posted by notlezah on Sunday, May 09, 2004 6:40 PM
I've been warned by a couple of other pro modlers that r&r stuff might not be real nice to work with, but it has to beat scratch building what they have to offer...I'm looking at a coupla pontiacs on ebay to further fill my collection. unfortuneately you can only judge the picture on ebay but... we'll seeApproveorBanged Head
I am Howard, Jack of all trades,Master of none...current projects: Diorama-->60's gas station, Post WWIII PerriPeekaboo...See my stuff here: http://public.fotki.com/notlezah/ Simple rules. Have you read them? http://www.scaleautomag.com/sca/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7502
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Posted by phil on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:13 AM
I recently talked to ray personaly and found him more than willing to do mailorder. In fact,he is expecting to have a new catalog out the end of may. I hope that you will consider that aftermarket suppliers often have a full time job.plus family responsibilties. They are producing kits,etc that the big companies don't . Because the big companies feel they will not generate money. So lighten up a little and give the guy a break
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  • From: TRENTON, OHIO
Posted by FIREMODELMAN on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:21 AM
i picked up a 64 chevy panel van from him at the cincinnati show, even though the front fenders had been cracked, i'm still happy with what i got , not to mention the price was right as well.Big SmileBig Smile

Dave http://public.fotki.com/FIREMODELMAN/

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 1:54 AM
We'veall got to remember, we need what these people make. If we didn't, what would we do, molding clay and fiberglass? Itry to support the casters for at least helping with our projects. just myMy 2 centsMy 2 cents WOLF
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  • From: nw GA
Posted by bill mathewson on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 8:39 AM
I met Ray from R & R at a show in metro Atlanta area about 6 months ago and he had a large selection of rare and neat stuff, many never available from any other resin caster or in styrene from the 'big three'. The quality looked good-in fact some of it was very good and the prices were right in line w/ most resin casters and better than some.

What surprised me was that he didn't even have a listing of subject matter and pricing that he could have used to promote future mail order sales. I had to surmise that he was more interested in doing shows and not mailorder, and he told me he had no intention of getting a web site. . .He told me that if I was interested in a list of his products w/ pricing, I'd have to mail him a stamped self-addressed envelope and he send me one. He did not want to take down my name and put me on a mailing list .

I found this "attitude" to be unusual to say the least, and walked away wondering whether he was going to stay in business, for it sure seemed like he didn't care. Over the past couple of years I had made sporadic attempts to reach him by phone in Mich., and either got recordings, temp. disconnected, or it just rang and rang. . .

It is good news that he apparantly is making a commitment to get a catalog out, and is willing to do mailorder. Hopefully the problems a few Forum members have stated they've had w/ his products are isolated examples and that he'll pay attention to QC.
I was impressed with what he showed at the show and will definitely give him a try.

If his stuff turns out good, we need to brag on him. It's all too easy to dump, but we often don't take the time to compliment. And if it is good, as I expect it will be, we want him to stay in business - let's not keep it a closely guarded secret ! BILL
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  • From: Nebraska
Posted by Ralph3 on Saturday, June 19, 2004 11:22 PM
R&R Vacuum Craft can be purchased over the internet by contacting stevekohler@cox.net Steve is a dealer for R&R
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  • From: LIVE from Downtown Nowhere!!
Posted by lizardlust on Monday, December 06, 2004 11:47 PM
Boy, I wish I had read this BEFORE I ordered!! I mailed an order for 1 body and 2 kits on the 26th of July, along with payment. Their order form states "please allow 6 to 12 weeks for delivery"-no problem. I did not try to inquire on the progress of my order during that period, because I didn't want to be a pain in their rears.Well, 12 weeks came and went without any product or words about progress. Finally, I called right before Thanksgiving to see what was happening. Ray answered the phone, told me of medical difficulties he had experienced, and seemed baffled as to why I had not not received anything. I was told by Ray that the items I ordered were currently in stock, and that I should receive them within a week-it is now the 7th of December, and I wonder if I will see any of the items I purchased this summer before Christmas, or at all for that matter. I realize that virtually all cottage industries are a sideline for their operators, and I do appreciate the efforts that are made to provide the hobby with items we would not otherwise have. HOWEVER, if a person advertises a product or service of any kind, accepts payment for said product or service and never delivers-that's just not right!! It's too bad, too-they really offer some choice items.Sad
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 07, 2004 2:44 PM
Thanks lizardlust for the insight regarding R& R. I have been waiting on an order for two resin bodies since early October. The phone number I had from my 2002 catalog is no longer in service. I have sent two letters seeking info on my request and received no answer. Would you be able to supply the phone number you used so I could try my luck at talking on the phone with Ray? Several years ago I ordered a resin body and received it in good time and the quality was fine. I had a similar problem with Freeman Cars several years ago. I was never able to contact them and my $25.00 order was never filled. This whole thing makes me really nervous regarding aftermarket producers.
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Posted by lizardlust on Tuesday, December 07, 2004 9:10 PM
Sure thing, Ilikewheels-the number I used is (810)-659-7874. I got through on this number approximately 2 weeks ago-although I cannot guarantee what results you may have. Sorry to hear of your difficulties.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 11, 2007 9:31 PM
I sent a message to Fury3 asking about '60s Valiant wagons, & his reply about R&R's phantom delivery (which is closer to what I wanted anyhow) indicated quality was pretty poor. Anybody ever build this one? And he sent back http://resinrealm.net/RRGallery/index.html address and phone (402) 896-4379, if anybody wants it.
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  • From: nottingham,england
Posted by arcturus on Saturday, May 12, 2007 7:22 AM
Personally I love R&R stuff.I know there quality can be abit crappy but the worst you can do is use the oppertunity to improve your scratch building??
The kits are hit and miss.I bought the 70 Chrysler 300 off them and it was near perfect where as my 69 Impala wagon took 4 months to look respectable.
Because unlike some Robin hoods,I can speak with an english accent...
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 12, 2007 7:59 AM
Two years ago I purchased (sight unseen) a resin kit from him of a 1965 Plymouth Belvedere 2-Door Sedan. (at the time, it was the first and only one that I knew of that had ever been created) MY disability prevented (prevents) me from attending the shows and from "easily" obtaining a money order (the only way to purchase his items, outside of cash). He does not accept credit cards, PayPal, personal checks, as many outstanding resin/hobby orginizations do. I wrote him a polite letter (with a SASE) explaining my disability situation, and if we could work out an aleternanive process for me to purchase his porducts. He never answered the letter, or my phone calls.. A friend, who attened the Toledo show purchased the kit for me.. When received, it was obviously a Jo-Han 63 Pymouth Fury Hardtop. The cowl/windshield is different, the hood and front fenders different. No amount of modeling could correct my the crude features of this kit. (I had shown it to many experienced resin builders.) (The interior was really a joke!) But this kit was a gem compared to the 58 Ford Fairlane Club Victoria! It was literally a "blob of plastic". It was a cross between the AMT 58 annual/ and the current AMT 57 Fairlane kit..nice in theory..but it doesn't work...at least in the way they did it! I carved, cut, and ground until I felt I was literally creating a sculpture. LOL! The thickness of the plastic was just one of the many flaws. I've been modeling since 1963...this is the only kit in my adult life that I threw out...and not in a fit of rage. They both were the biggest waste of money I've ever spent. Especially since now "MCW" offers a beautiful 65 Belvedere I Sedan, AND a new first ever 65 Satellite Hardtop, for the same money! The "Modelhaus" 58 Fairlane kit is worth every bit of it's price, compared to the "blob" from R&R. I've heard some of R&R's products are acceptable, but with the poor attitude of the owner and loosing close to $100.00, I can not recommend them in any way. I'd love to have the 1970 Chrysler. 300 but ... he has lost my trust and confidence in his product and way's of doing business. I sincerely hope others have a better experience with them then I. Banged HeadThumbs Down Fury3
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  • From: nottingham,england
Posted by arcturus on Saturday, May 12, 2007 9:36 AM
FURY....Why didn't you deal with Steve at Resin Realm?Steve is a top bloke.I Emailed Steve once to talk about R&R quality and he said to me that he wants me to be happy with the products he sends to me,and if that I'm unhappy with any of the products he'll do all he can to rectify them.He even said said he'll send me an AMT 62 Buick kit as a donor for the Buick limo if he sees one because they're thin on the ground in England.
I would suggest using Steve in future instead of this Ray guy .He accepts paypal too,and being a Hemi/mopar man that you are,I'd highly recommend the 70 300.
Hope this helps.
Because unlike some Robin hoods,I can speak with an english accent...
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  • From: Greenville, SC
Posted by Mkowa PhD on Saturday, May 12, 2007 10:48 AM
Sign - DittoSign - With StupidEvil
I have to agree with Jim on this one...Steve is top notch!
-Mike
* Please Note-I do not sell any of my built or unbuilt kits-Thank you.* Yes, I am a PROUD PARENT OF A U.S. MARINE! (currently-9-11-09-BACK in the USA!) http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b262/mkowa/
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 12, 2007 12:15 PM
I'm sure Steve is "top notch". I've been in touch with him on a few of HIS products on the "Star" page, which is his website. Steve was not around or available when my experience took place....Ray was "it". I could tolerate "Ray" and his total lack of respect for his client/customer base, if his products were tolerable. (I'm not buying or interested in the owner of R&R, just the products.) I am a forgiving type but to loose close to $100.00 on "blobs of plastic ? "Stick it to me once, shame on you. Stick it to me twice, shame on me"! I had heard that "Ray" had undergone a triple by-pass surgery a year ago. Being that close to the "pearly gates" I had hoped he would have improved his consumer/people skills and more importantly, his products. I will now drop this and take it to e-mail if necessary.Laugh Fury3
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  • From: Suburb of Honolulu
Posted by racer1 on Saturday, May 12, 2007 2:06 PM
Hi everybody,
I have just recently bid,won,and received a 1965 Mercury Comet A/FX altered wheel base from a seller on ebay. The seller described the resin model as clean and exceptionally well cast from R&R Vacuum Craft. I have to admit, that at first I was a bit apprehensive about bidding on this item because I had never heard of this company before. When the kit arrived in the mail, i was really surprised with the quality and workmanship of this model. I wanted to build the "Dyno" Don Nicholson Comet/Cyclone
for some time and accidentally came accross this item and just had to have it. Now I need one more to build the Jack Chrisman version. One question though. Anyone know of somebody who makes the 427 SOHC in resin in 1/25 scale with a blower and intake manifold? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks Brian
Just a regular model car junkie.

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