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I won't get in trouble this time talking about Moebius!
Posted by Wild Bill 426 on Tuesday, December 12, 2017 4:54 PM

The last time I did a post about Moebius I inadvertently kicked up a s***storm by way of criticism of the kit I had built. I felt bad about it as I liked the subject matter and execution; really it was the fit of the glass and grille that got ugly.  In my 2nd job as announcer at Lebanon Valley Dragway, I see a lot of Mercury Comet Cyclones and  wanted to build this kit that was released around when I did that post, and I did wait until I heard some good reviews until I bought and built it (sorry, no pix, me & Photobucket went thru a contentious divorce).

In any event, I finished the kit last night AND IT IS A COMPLETE WINNER!!!  Everything fit, it looks accurate as heck, the construction is sturdy.....my only criticism is that the shifter knob looks a little large.  And that doesn't even count.

I'm sure I wasn't the only one to complain, but the folks at Moebius were determined to deliver a quality product and they did!  In fact, I'd have to say its one of the best car kits I have ever built, and I include Tamiya kits in that statement.  Thanks so much to Moebius for listening, paying attention, and making it work.  That's what business is all about, to me.  Those early Novas they are working on look rad and at this time I will be the first one on line to buy mine; probably the gasser version (yes, we have a few of those at the track, too!).  Keep 'em coming!

Wild Bill "Plastic cars are better than real cars cuz' they're a lot cheaper to fix. You don't even need duct tape and wireties"
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  • From: Plano (Dallas), Texas
Posted by mmthrax on Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:36 PM

Thanks for the heads up.  I didn't even know about this kit yet.  I saw some pics online and it does look like a good one.  If you don't mind, what was the kit that you were not so pleased with?  

Just keep picking away at it...

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  • From: Brighton England
Posted by Spencer Mopar Fan on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 6:05 AM

This day & age Bill we should not have to put up with inferior quality kits or parts , regardless of the circumstances . Don't let the bu**ers get ya down ! I just brought a £7 1950 Alfa Romeo 159 ( Fangio / Farina ) I opened the box and it brought on severe bout of big bottom lip syndrome . Most of the parts were no longer on the sprue , the wire wheels were just discs of clear plastic with scratched lines representing x's .

The motor does have parts ..... ahem.... the blower looks like an afterthought.....

NOT MINE !

My Mr Norms Charger funnycar 'lemminged' off the shelf for the last time and donated its wheel/tyres & motor.....Indifferent

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Posted by Bainford on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 7:49 AM

Thanks for the feedback, Bill. When it was announced I was more excited about the '65 Comet than any other kit in recent years. I haven't picked one up yet but will soon. From what I have seen online the lines and proportions look great.

Power matters in the straights.
Lightness matters everywhere. - Colin Chapman

Trevor

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Posted by 6bblbird on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 5:18 PM

Good info regarding the Mercury kit! I too had some issues with an earlier issued Moebius kit (windshield fit and door handles on the '65 Plymouth) but was able to overcome those. The rest of the kit was fantastic.

P.S. Wild Bill, you might be interested to know that my first time announcing a "real" race was at Lebanon Valley in the late '90s. It was also the first track that actually paid me to announce! I miss that place.

Walter Frey

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Posted by dreamsinplastic on Thursday, December 14, 2017 12:33 PM

Hey Wild Bill.....Is this the kit you are referring to???

 

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Posted by Wild Bill 426 on Sunday, December 17, 2017 8:50 PM

The kit I had the issues with was the 61 Pontiac.  The kit I got is the stock version, not the AFX shown, which I'd consider buying for that great hood and 427 motor.

 

Wild Bill "Plastic cars are better than real cars cuz' they're a lot cheaper to fix. You don't even need duct tape and wireties"
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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Monday, December 18, 2017 9:25 AM
Is it a new Moebius kit or someone else's reboxed?

RobG

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Posted by Dwights55 on Tuesday, December 19, 2017 7:41 AM

Wild Bill 426

The kit I had the issues with was the 61 Pontiac.  The kit I got is the stock version, not the AFX shown, which I'd consider buying for that great hood and 427 motor.

 

 I had trouble with the 61 also.   It's finished but looks like a 10 year old built it.  But I've had afew kits that were easier the 2nd time.   Or 3rd, or 4th time.......

Most of my money goes for bow-ties, bikes and babes.  The rest I just waste.

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Posted by Arthur Anderson on Thursday, February 15, 2018 3:07 PM

Wild Bill 426

The last time I did a post about Moebius I inadvertently kicked up a s***storm by way of criticism of the kit I had built. I felt bad about it as I liked the subject matter and execution; really it was the fit of the glass and grille that got ugly.  In my 2nd job as announcer at Lebanon Valley Dragway, I see a lot of Mercury Comet Cyclones and  wanted to build this kit that was released around when I did that post, and I did wait until I heard some good reviews until I bought and built it (sorry, no pix, me & Photobucket went thru a contentious divorce).

In any event, I finished the kit last night AND IT IS A COMPLETE WINNER!!!  Everything fit, it looks accurate as heck, the construction is sturdy.....my only criticism is that the shifter knob looks a little large.  And that doesn't even count.

I'm sure I wasn't the only one to complain, but the folks at Moebius were determined to deliver a quality product and they did!  In fact, I'd have to say its one of the best car kits I have ever built, and I include Tamiya kits in that statement.  Thanks so much to Moebius for listening, paying attention, and making it work.  That's what business is all about, to me.  Those early Novas they are working on look rad and at this time I will be the first one on line to buy mine; probably the gasser version (yes, we have a few of those at the track, too!).  Keep 'em coming!

 

Dave Metzner (a long-time very close friend of mine) works his butt off to get out good model kits at Moebius.  Of course, there is, with any new startup model kit company, a definite learning curve they all can go through.  I have assisted Dave with virtually every model car and kit project, and believe me, it can be very frustrating, given the distances (in thousands of miles between here and China) along with the language barrier--and then with some companies over there, considerable turnover of skilled employees.  Couple that with the simple fact that practially nobody there has ever seen the 1:1 subjects in real life (unlike us here in the US), so bringing a model car kit to fruition can be very frustrating indeed.  Add to that the time frames often established by the customer base (hobby wholesale houses) and it can get very hectic indeed.  More than once, I've physically modified test shots, with putty, sanding, and then replacing sections of raised trim details, using my vast collection of reference materials as well, shooting some red oxide primer on the affected areas, then sent them directly to Dave for forwarding back to China.  Fortunately, the folks over there have gotten much, MUCH better, so most of the problems we've seen over the years just don't happen that much anymore.

Secondly, and most important, while greatly to be desired, it's not always possible to find a suitable 1:1 car or pickup that he (sometimes along with me) to just go and do a photoshoot (which can entail upwards of a thousand photo's to show shapes and contours down to area's most modelers cannot imagine, many with folding carpenter's rules in the pics.  

Those photo's then become the resource as the kit designers first do digital 3D renderings (I still have trouble really reading those!), and then digital illustrations of the various kit parts and even subassemblies (believe me when I say I've seen those illustrations were the steering arm or "drag link" is illustrated as being hooked to an exhaust manifold--truthfully!).  Such stuff as that results in a flurry of emails back and forth, until Dave is satisfied with the renderings, at which time they do up exact 1/25th scale tooling mockups, piece by piece, just as the kit will be--that's where it really gets to be fun!  On virtually every Moebius model car kit, I've made the 110 mile drive from where I live, to Dave's house in far northern IN, to review and critque those with Dave--those sessions can get a bit intense, as not always do we two see everything in exactly the same way.  

My most recent session with Dave covered the forthcoming '65-'66 Ford F-100 project.  Dave and I did the full photoshoot and measurement thing on that series, almost 2 yrs ago in May 2016, at that massive collector car dealer in far western Illinois, where they had several examples of the trucks in question--/with the tooling mockups (seen here in Indiana in November (IIRC), we found no major issues, but a lot of minor ones, and sometimes, as is almost always the case, we don't always agree, as again, two sets of eyes, two minds, and they don't always see stuff exactly the same way.  

At this writing, I am eagerly awaiting the first test shots: As my time is somewhat limited (at 73 yrs old, I still work a full-time job), I pretty much look closely at the exterior, leaving the greasy parts for Dave to ponder over.  I do expect, however, that this go-round, these test shots should be fairly close--any more it takes perhaps 3 rounds of test shots to get to the final production models.

Please do not ask me for pics of such test shots of an upcoming kit--I don't have any authorization to publish or share those, but trust me, I work, and worry, pretty hard on my part, to get the final project done, and done as right as it possibly can be.

Art 

PS: if any of you have bought, or seen the missile-lauching version of the Moebius Batman Tumbler--I personally did the tooling mockup for that one--I am about to do up a specific Fotki album of all the in-progress pics of that project.  What we both thought would be an 8 week project wound up taking nearly 6 months!

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Posted by Arthur Anderson on Thursday, February 15, 2018 3:11 PM

BTW, the Comet Cyclone was the first car that Dave and I photo'd and measured together, spotted the real thing in the parking lot of the Auburn IN collector car auction on a blustery, chilly Labor Day weekend, almost 10 yrs ago.  I have my obligatory sample kits here, so one of these days!

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Posted by chucky on Thursday, February 15, 2018 3:43 PM

Art, thank you for taking the time to provide the details above. It certainly sheds light on the "behind the scenes" operations that often go unappreciated. Thumbs Up

chucky

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Posted by mikemodeler on Monday, February 19, 2018 4:52 AM

Thanks for taking the time to explain the process Art, it helps put things in perspective. 

In regards to kits, any word on when we might see that Ford 4x4 kit of the Moebius F100 that has been teased? 

 

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Posted by Arthur Anderson on Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:20 PM

Wild Bill 426

The last time I did a post about Moebius I inadvertently kicked up a s***storm by way of criticism of the kit I had built. I felt bad about it as I liked the subject matter and execution; really it was the fit of the glass and grille that got ugly.  In my 2nd job as announcer at Lebanon Valley Dragway, I see a lot of Mercury Comet Cyclones and  wanted to build this kit that was released around when I did that post, and I did wait until I heard some good reviews until I bought and built it (sorry, no pix, me & Photobucket went thru a contentious divorce).

In any event, I finished the kit last night AND IT IS A COMPLETE WINNER!!!  Everything fit, it looks accurate as heck, the construction is sturdy.....my only criticism is that the shifter knob looks a little large.  And that doesn't even count.

I'm sure I wasn't the only one to complain, but the folks at Moebius were determined to deliver a quality product and they did!  In fact, I'd have to say its one of the best car kits I have ever built, and I include Tamiya kits in that statement.  Thanks so much to Moebius for listening, paying attention, and making it work.  That's what business is all about, to me.  Those early Novas they are working on look rad and at this time I will be the first one on line to buy mine; probably the gasser version (yes, we have a few of those at the track, too!).  Keep 'em coming!

 

Wait until you see the 1965-66 Ford F100 kits!  Those are gonna be awesome (been in that project since Day One!)

 

 

 

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Posted by mrmike on Thursday, February 22, 2018 7:28 AM

Arthur Anderson

 

 
Wild Bill 426

The last time I did a post about Moebius I inadvertently kicked up a s***storm by way of criticism of the kit I had built. I felt bad about it as I liked the subject matter and execution; really it was the fit of the glass and grille that got ugly.  In my 2nd job as announcer at Lebanon Valley Dragway, I see a lot of Mercury Comet Cyclones and  wanted to build this kit that was released around when I did that post, and I did wait until I heard some good reviews until I bought and built it (sorry, no pix, me & Photobucket went thru a contentious divorce).

In any event, I finished the kit last night AND IT IS A COMPLETE WINNER!!!  Everything fit, it looks accurate as heck, the construction is sturdy.....my only criticism is that the shifter knob looks a little large.  And that doesn't even count.

I'm sure I wasn't the only one to complain, but the folks at Moebius were determined to deliver a quality product and they did!  In fact, I'd have to say its one of the best car kits I have ever built, and I include Tamiya kits in that statement.  Thanks so much to Moebius for listening, paying attention, and making it work.  That's what business is all about, to me.  Those early Novas they are working on look rad and at this time I will be the first one on line to buy mine; probably the gasser version (yes, we have a few of those at the track, too!).  Keep 'em coming!

 

 

 

Wait until you see the 1965-66 Ford F100 kits!  Those are gonna be awesome (been in that project since Day One!)

 

 

 

 

Hopefully, Moebius will consider using a larger box so everything is not jammed in there.  The two F100 kits I have ('71 Ranger and '72 Sport Custom) have warped cabs that I'm trying to straighten out because they were jammed into the box before the plastic had cooled from the molding process.

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Posted by High octane on Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:53 AM

Thanks for walking us through the process Art, as many probably think that just a wave of the wand will do. Your explaination is quite interesting as well as informative.

High octane

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Posted by Arthur Anderson on Tuesday, February 27, 2018 7:54 PM

Rob Gronovius
Is it a new Moebius kit or someone else's reboxed?
 

All new kit, seeing as NOBODY, NOWHERE, ever did the '65 Comet in any form.  This particular car stems from a chance photo-shoot of a real one that Dave Metzner and I spotted at the Auburn Classic Car Auction, in September 2010--we shot perhaps 150 pics, from full car 8 views, to dozens of detail shots (for comparison, the upcoming '65-'66 Ford F100 kits stem from over a thousand pics Dave shot, with me holding measuring sticks and straight-edges in many of them).  It also displays very much the "learning curve" that any fairly new model car kit mfr's research team has to go through.

Art

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Posted by Arthur Anderson on Tuesday, February 27, 2018 7:58 PM

mrmike

 If only that were possible!  Bear in mind that the US hobby industry has standardized on the size kit box that Moebius (and even Revell & Round 2 use for almost every car kit), due to space considerations.  If you were to lease (or for that matter, build your own hobby shop) you'd see what I mean--retail space is priced (lease or buy) by the square foot/year, and that can be almost astronomical for decent retail space.

Art

 
Arthur Anderson

 

 
Wild Bill 426

The last time I did a post about Moebius I inadvertently kicked up a s***storm by way of criticism of the kit I had built. I felt bad about it as I liked the subject matter and execution; really it was the fit of the glass and grille that got ugly.  In my 2nd job as announcer at Lebanon Valley Dragway, I see a lot of Mercury Comet Cyclones and  wanted to build this kit that was released around when I did that post, and I did wait until I heard some good reviews until I bought and built it (sorry, no pix, me & Photobucket went thru a contentious divorce).

In any event, I finished the kit last night AND IT IS A COMPLETE WINNER!!!  Everything fit, it looks accurate as heck, the construction is sturdy.....my only criticism is that the shifter knob looks a little large.  And that doesn't even count.

I'm sure I wasn't the only one to complain, but the folks at Moebius were determined to deliver a quality product and they did!  In fact, I'd have to say its one of the best car kits I have ever built, and I include Tamiya kits in that statement.  Thanks so much to Moebius for listening, paying attention, and making it work.  That's what business is all about, to me.  Those early Novas they are working on look rad and at this time I will be the first one on line to buy mine; probably the gasser version (yes, we have a few of those at the track, too!).  Keep 'em coming!

 

 

 

Wait until you see the 1965-66 Ford F100 kits!  Those are gonna be awesome (been in that project since Day One!)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hopefully, Moebius will consider using a larger box so everything is not jammed in there.  The two F100 kits I have ('71 Ranger and '72 Sport Custom) have warped cabs that I'm trying to straighten out because they were jammed into the box before the plastic had cooled from the molding process.

 

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Posted by Arthur Anderson on Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:06 PM
"Hopefully, Moebius will consider using a larger box so everything is not jammed in there. The two F100 kits I have ('71 Ranger and '72 Sport Custom) have warped cabs that I'm trying to straighten out because they were jammed into the box before the plastic had cooled from the molding process."' Actually, that's not the problem, as polystyrene cools to hard very quickly--in fact, the tooling bases have water jackets to facilitate that process. It can actually be anywhere from a full day, to perhaps even a week, before the raw plastic parts are sent to the packaging line for packing into kit boxes. The problem (and it has been one since the beginning of plastic model kits, period) is making sure that when the parts come to the kit assembly line, that workers know, understand, and care as to just how the parts get placed in the kit boxes. That said, it pays to inspect any model car kit, from any manufacturer, once you get it--and if there is a problem, THAT is the time to contact the kit mfr/importer. Almost all of them, Moebius included, are more than ready to replace a defective part. Art

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