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Posting and feedback is dwindling and people are disappearing - What's happening?
Posted by Treehugger Dave on Thursday, September 28, 2017 4:52 PM

I took a sabatical for about a year and coming back I've noticed a lot of the ol' gang is gone. Threads stay in the same place for days or weeks, and a thread can go by for days or weeks without a comment or a new post, and Jim Haught even left.

Is this a trend of our aging hobby, or is this just unique to SA. Seems like we're slowly dying here.

Or maybe it's just me, and I'm seeing things a little cockeyed.

Any feedback that could shed light on this. I'm hoping it's just me.

I love Mecum Auctions and Barrett/Jackson auctions and what would I do without Ebay.

 

 

                                     

 

 

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Posted by TnT on Thursday, September 28, 2017 6:06 PM

I guess some or most just lurk. Looking, maybe getting ideas.

Is there a head count on here?

You know how many members there are, and how many on line?

Maybe a more modern forum would help.

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Posted by htown2 on Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:39 PM

After building over 130 kits during the last 20 years my enthusiasm is about gone.  I imagine others are in the same boat.  I have about 20 kits left on the shelf and I'll probably build them but I'm not buying anymore.

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Posted by High octane on Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:10 PM

Yes this forum has been a little "sluggish" lately, however I've noticed it on other forums also. I've also seen "fast paced' forums where if you don't check it daily you will be lost when you do show up. So I really don't know what to tell you. Just like model kits, some are better than others.

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Posted by Goofy62 on Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:35 PM

There have been a few members on this forum lately that have shared their discontent & I personally know of a couple who have basically given up on it.

When you check the forum daily, like I do, and most of the categories haven't had a response in days or weeks, there's not much point in hanging around.

Just as an example, the "interior detailing" section hasn't had in new post in a month!

That's pretty pathetic.

As a comparison, a build thread that I posted here a while back has garnered nearly no attention with only 19 responses, half of which are my own posts.

On another forum, that same WIP has 139 replies with over 5,000 views.

With that much of a difference in traffic, it's not worth it to spend much time here.

I pop in occasionally to see what's up & if I can contribute anything, but it takes about 2 minutes to check out all of the new posts that interest me.

Then it's back to other forums where the conversations are a little more spirited.

 

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Posted by chucky on Thursday, September 28, 2017 10:31 PM

While the trend here for many years has been for things to slow down in the summer months (northern hemisphereSmile) I think there are other issues involved. Aside from the occasional inappropriate written exchanges, there has been a noticeable decline of moderation since the latest format change. The personal message function is frequently not functioning and the missing features like "who's on line" have removed some of the friendliness of the forum setting. Since the hard times in the publishing world will only continue to worsen we can't expect much investment of time and money into what is basically a freebie for those of us who participate. I suspect that the Photobucket debacle has also been the final nail in the coffin for more than a few members. The lack of response to flagrant spam and no new notifications from the staff are somewhat disheartening but understandable in the current circumstances. It would seem to be that it is up to those of us who still enjoy this forum to make it the best it can be on our end and hope for the best. At this time I don't have much time for my own builds, but I do check in here nightly to see what other members are able to produce. I will say this for the benefit of those who feel their posts are not being viewed: I have viewed several new posts lately and later checked on the "count" and it still shows "0". Might be another issue for the techs to look into. 

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Posted by litespeedsae on Friday, September 29, 2017 1:36 AM

I think building and commenting actitvity will increase as winter approaches and many people retreat indoors. Photobucket is not doing anyone a favor it seems. I really like checking in to see the latest a couple of times a day.

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Posted by ragtop63 on Friday, September 29, 2017 5:55 AM
As someone who has been here for a long time, I can say that for sure my interest in building has dwindled a little bit. I now take about 18 months to complete a build. As for the forum, that has slowed for me also. Then recently both the Photobucket issue and Jim retiring has all but killed it. To start all over again with a new posting site to replace Photobucket is too much hassle to deal with. Then there is the re-posting of all the photos to get my threads back up, again too much hassle. I guess I will continue to lurk for now.

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Posted by mrmike on Friday, September 29, 2017 8:38 AM

I have been here for twelve years and I have noticed an ebb and flow to this forum.  Things slow down during the summer months and the holidays and then pick after that.  But, this year is different with the whole Photobucket debacle forcing many to either seek out a new photohosting site or just giving up completely.  I decided to go for a new photohosting site and only repost photos for current projects. 

Jim Haught's retirement has had an effect on this forum as well.  He was known to chime in on the forum from time to time.  Now with the new editor and his assistant running two magazines, they have little to no time to look in on the forum now.  

I would like to see a moderator or two checking in on the forum from time to time, making sure everything runs smoothly and to keep the spammers at bay!  The last moderator that I knew of was Notlezah and he disappeared from the forum a long time ago.  There has been a few new members or older, less frequent visiting members who come in and throw their weight around and some forum members don't want to deal with that and they up and leave. 

To tell you the truth, I don't know how much longer I will remain on this forum.  Somedays it seems like it's not worth the trouble and others, it's like why didn't I post that or think about doing that.  I also miss those who haven't been on here for a very long time.  As time goes by, many things change.    

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Posted by gbk1 on Friday, September 29, 2017 10:35 AM

With respect to the SA forum itself, I think what you observe, Dave, is true. Fewer posters and even fewer responses to posts. The structure of the board has always hurt the SA Forums - the rigid system of categories forces users to decide in advance what interests them. Am I interested in spost cars, or are they racing cars, and anayway when is a hot rod a custom car or is it a racing car? And what about those cool showroom stock builds that are far beyond mt abilities and interest - and all the more interesting for just that reason! Frankly I would have long ago abandoned coming here if I had to choose each time. Thankfully somewhere along the line I stumbled on this handy URL - http://cs.scaleautomag.com/f/recent.aspx - which gives me a chronological listing of all new posts.

But really the model car culture in general has ebbed over the past few years. Many of us who returned to the hobby are now beyond that first excitement as we re-built our skill sets and completed a seemingly inexhaustible string of projects to get there. I still am far from where I would like to be, but now 6+ compeltions a year is more typical than the one-a-month pace I had a few years back. And recently I've started maintaining multiple projects which seem to be requiring more care and attention. This has been mentioned by others above and I would agree.

The departure of Jim Haught should remind us all that time inevitabltytakes its toll, either spiritually or physically. So some are gone from these pages by choice or fate. For those of us who are active we need to keep an eye out for new arrivals and do what we can to enage with them if they interest us. I must agree with those above who have pionted out that the forums appear to have become far more passive of late, with the views counts declining at a far slower rate than the comments and discussion. I must say that this is definitely not the case on the "other" large general interest auto modeling forum. It is however, a problem the SA forums share with several smaller groups I frequent. The vitality of the group stands or falls on the .contributions of its members - often it falls upon the shoulders of the forum moderators or owners to provide the spark or prod to get things going.

Which brings me to the shelfish and vicious damage which Photobucket's "business decision" has done to vast swaths of the Internet. This may sound like hyperbole, but it is unfortunatly very true. Too many of us have simply given up trying to repair what they have done and chosen to withdraw. I know of several model car forums which have either shut down completely (The Modeler's Haven) of shrank to mere shadows of their former selves as members have chosen to depart rather than fight the good fight. Unfortunately, it is completely understandable. Only a few of us have the time, energy, and knowledge to undo things, and there are very few ways to help others do it for themselves. The impact is universal across the entire internet (just do any image search to see what I mean...), not just the model car forums. Time will eventually heal this gaping wound, but for us in our tiny and aging subculture it probably couldn't have come at a worse time.

What can be done? I think someone above pointed out that the owners and moderators of these forums have been conspicuous in their absence. And the "upgrade" to the forum software removed many important and critical features that have hurt it as well. So, if Kalmbach believes the forums can aid their publishing business they need to become engaged and show leadership in reviving interest and use of them. That such attention is required seems to me beyond question.

As for the rest of us, the same is true. Only our interest and involvement will change things...

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Posted by Treehugger Dave on Friday, September 29, 2017 2:48 PM

Thanks guy's for your responses and opinions. As one of you said above life changes. Next year this hobby will be 60 years old. That's a long time and with our culture changing pretty dramatically, at least to me, I feel grateful it has lasted so long.

I have no idea the future of the "Organized" hobby, but I really love to sit in the quietness of my model room and peacefully get lost in my enjoyment for hours.

It's nice to connect and share once in a while, but if that goes away, I still have a local club made up of builders of all kinds of sci-fy figures, military of all types including planes and tanks, automobiles, boats and....well' you gat the idea.

No contests or due's or traditional organized meetings. Just spending 2 hours once a month building, visiting and and relaxing sharing with each other - very nice.

For now I still enjoy being here and sharing. I would probably change some things but life is never perfect especially if I'm there Smile, Wink & GrinLaugh.

I love Mecum Auctions and Barrett/Jackson auctions and what would I do without Ebay.

 

 

                                     

 

 

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Posted by Foxer on Friday, September 29, 2017 8:14 PM

Treehugger Dave

Thanks guy's for your responses and opinions. As one of you said above life changes. Next year this hobby will be 60 years old. That's a long time and with our culture changing pretty dramatically, at least to me, I feel grateful it has lasted so long.

No contests or due's or traditional organized meetings. Just spending 2 hours once a month building, visiting and and relaxing sharing with each other - very nice.

For now I still enjoy being here and sharing. I would probably change some things but life is never perfect especially if I'm there Smile, Wink & GrinLaugh.

 

 
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Posted by Treehugger Dave on Friday, September 29, 2017 9:12 PM

Foxer
 
Treehugger Dave

Thanks guy's for your responses and opinions. As one of you said above life changes. Next year this hobby will be 60 years old. That's a long time and with our culture changing pretty dramatically, at least to me, I feel grateful it has lasted so long.

No contests or due's or traditional organized meetings. Just spending 2 hours once a month building, visiting and and relaxing sharing with each other - very nice.

For now I still enjoy being here and sharing. I would probably change some things but life is never perfect especially if I'm there Smile, Wink & GrinLaugh.

 

 

 
I'm glad to see you back, Dave. Take a look at this you may have missed .. 
 

I don't understand???? What did I miss??

I love Mecum Auctions and Barrett/Jackson auctions and what would I do without Ebay.

 

 

                                     

 

 

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Posted by 195X on Friday, September 29, 2017 10:23 PM

I had taken a bit of time off to get some things ready for winter. Personally, I'm the type to go all out for a length of time, then I need a break. I vacation for a couple weeks and give my hands and eyes a rest. Then I get back to it when I start missing it too much. 

 Yes, the hobby keeps me from running the streets and doing drugs, but let's face it, modeling 24,7,365 leads to burnout. Some of you are like the energizer bunny and can keep going. I applaud that because I used to be one of you. 

 As for a lack of comments. My thing is (and it isn't personal at all) I most often look at subjects that are along my tastes, or have a catchy title. Once I've looked, no matter what the subject matter, if I am moved to comment I will, more often than not just a couple complimentary lines pointing out what I like about the model. 

 There's never a need to point out anything negative about a model unless the builder asks for same. My attitude on this is... HE KNOWS! Have you EVER built a model that within three days of "finishing" you didn't see and intimately know every flaw and mistake you made? It's much like washing your 1:1 car. There's that knick again.. there's that ding.. oh, that's new...

 During the summer months, or at least when it's nice out, there are less people online. And why not, eh?

 But the lack of response to anybody's thread on a 1957 French whoziwhatsis or anything else is no reflection on that builder or his skills, it is merely the ebb and flow of the hobby. Then of course there are those times when one posts a really popular car that gets huge response, but a really well done obscure car by the same builder gets nil. It's just because it's an obscure car and nobody feels like responding.

 The MAIN problem is, responses... period. Nobody wants a paragraph reviewing their build. (that means people are looking TOO close!) But really, how many times can one say "Nice paint". "I like the wheel choice". "Nicely done on that dash". "Good color choice". "I only had two beers ossifer".

 I just threw that last one in to see who was paying attention. But there is an ebb and flow to us as well. We all have a life, whatever that may mean. I see a couple guys that say they have been away for a while. That's the ebb! The TIDE was OUT. That's all. Now you're getting the flow. The desire to get back in and see what's going on. Maybe you just picked a day at the beach when the tide was out? (These oceanic metaphors landing at all?) The weather is warm and the tide online is mostly out. It happens a lot.

 In short, keep building when you want to. Keep posting when you feel like it, and enjoy life wherever the day takes you, but spend less time worrying if strangers online like your model. Odds are there are a bunch of people who love it, but only lurk. Question is... do YOU like your model?

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Posted by Treehugger Dave on Friday, September 29, 2017 10:40 PM

195x

I think you said what we all needed to hear - especially me. I'm an "INTENSE person,builder, and liver of life'.

I don't like changes and when they come I get a little"Schizzo" worrying maybe this or that.Letting things roll off my back has never been my "FORTE" but I am working on it

"My therapist thinks I'm doing well" - just kidding.

Thanks for the added responses guys Thumbs Up.

I love Mecum Auctions and Barrett/Jackson auctions and what would I do without Ebay.

 

 

                                     

 

 

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Posted by Moparlover64 on Friday, September 29, 2017 11:39 PM

I dont know i try to keep up i only peruse the ones that interest me i look at all the pics though and try n comment on the ones that inspire. Me and the ones i genuinely just plain old like. Im doing one of the mosst intensifying builds ive ever done and its the very first project ive done in over 10yrs since becoming totally disabled. And tnt has been a godsend for posting the pics for my sometime tangent ridden narratives but like you say lots of looks but no comments and as far as being here everyday im 53 wife acts like im having an afdair if im on everyday hence the 15yrold rules lol but im not dead yet im gonna keep building keeps me off the street while fixing to have to move yet again im affraid but ill keep coming back like a bent penny

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Posted by Foxer on Friday, September 29, 2017 11:47 PM

the link in my post ... I know links are that obvious here.

Take a look at this ...

http://cs.scaleautomag.com/sca/general_discussion/f/3/t/126465.aspx

The link isn't working  .. geeze. User the Recent Discussions button and down a bit where The Leprechaun was posted

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Posted by arcturus on Saturday, September 30, 2017 4:16 AM

I'm one of the long term members and have been on and off over the years for numerous reasons.
Having to start paying for photo sharing sites.

SA changes to uploading, not being compatible with photosharing sites, or my computer not being compitable with my camera.

Being banned (happened twice)

And loosing interest in model making. I didn't finish anything for about two years.

I think as well, we had a core of friends on here, and all it takes is a few to leave for various reasons and the remainder go.
Another reason to after being on here for 12-13 years , theres only so many comments you can make on model building.






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Posted by midnightprowler on Saturday, September 30, 2017 7:07 AM

Ebb and flow I think. Also, myself I love building, but especially in the summer do not have much time for building, so not much gets done. I generally do not post wip's, as it can take me years to get a project done, I have a Monogram 55 Chevy convertible I started in 1994, no finished. Too many projects, too little time, lol. As far a Jim Haught, I'm sorry, but I do not miss him and his ego.  I know some that have been banned on occasions for no real good reason. I myself was banned for merely responding to someone asking about spam threads. All I said was they are a bit slow to get rid of them, and bam, a couple of days later I was banned for three months. You don't treat long time members like that for no real good reason. I have been with this forum since the very beginning and will stay to the very end. Have been a subscriber since June 1992, and it is the only model mag I get.

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Posted by peekay on Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:47 AM
I wonder how many visitors assumed the site no longer exists; the first page has been saying "this page made a pit stop" for several years. I also believe that enabling a bigger photo size might attract more traffic.

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Posted by justmike on Saturday, September 30, 2017 11:26 AM

I've been reading all the comments and can agree with all of them. The reasons for the slow down are many. For me, I won't care if there are only two people on this site in the future, so long as I can share my enthusiasm for models, and pictures of my builds, with somebody, because wihout this site, I ain't got NOBODY like ya'll here who really gets this hobby.  My 2 Cents

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Posted by Wild Bill 426 on Saturday, September 30, 2017 5:45 PM

One factor not mentioned here is the problem with posting photos via Photobucket, et al.  I am still posting a bunch of stuff but mostly on Facebook because I can directly upload photos there w/o worrying about a service.

 

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Posted by Spencer Mopar Fan on Sunday, October 01, 2017 4:19 AM

Hi everyone !! Whistling

I wrote a rather longwinded story about weather problems , health problems

Then people on holidays/powertours etc etc ..

Thats when my internet decided to go off . 

I didn't swear much . Honest . 

#shorter story :-

"Thats the thing with Hobbies , they tend to get in the way of the boring (but nessessary) bits of life !"  not enough : TimeOops - Sign ! LOL 

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Posted by American185 on Sunday, October 01, 2017 10:06 AM

I think a lot of it has to do with repetition and seeing the same old thing over and over again. How many Mustangs, Camaros and Firebirds can one person really bare to see ?? And posting a stus report of 'ash tray' painted, wheel attached causes a lot of people like myself to just run. I am a member of 3 different clubs, and just glance at what really interests me, the finished product of any non pony car model. The model car industry is to blame too. The same insipid models re-released annually, and nothing really fresh or different coming. Thank god for resin, at least they seem to know what collectors are interested in and might actually want to build. I am a full size car lover, and now focus strictly on full size model cars. Just acquired the 71 Delta 88 coupe and am excited about getting started on that. Wish there were more Marquis', Delta's and LeSabres available. The world doesn't spin around pony cars and a lot of us just don't care..........

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Posted by Plowboy on Sunday, October 01, 2017 11:11 AM

I think a lot of the problems here are the lack of moderation, rampant spam and people  posting whatever wherever. I could almost tolerate the wrong subjects being posted in the muscle car and street machine categories. But, it's annoying when people just post random questions in those categories. Just because the question  may pertain to a muscle car doesn't mean it should be posted  there. That's  what the builders corner is for.                                                                                Another thing is just like with building, people get burned out. I haven't touched a model in ten months or longer. I just haven't  had the time or energy. That coupled with Photobuckets stunt has me doubting about ever going back to posting photos. 

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Posted by Treehugger Dave on Sunday, October 01, 2017 12:51 PM

I hear people here continually talking about problems with Photobucket. I have photobucket and have experienced nothing except being a little slow once in a great while.

I have payed a small yearly fee for my account the last few years because of the large library I maintain there. For me the service seems worthwhile and reasonable for what they provide

There must be someting I'm missing about all this or don't understand Question.

I love Mecum Auctions and Barrett/Jackson auctions and what would I do without Ebay.

 

 

                                     

 

 

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Posted by Goofy62 on Sunday, October 01, 2017 1:53 PM

Treehugger Dave

I hear people here continually talking about problems with Photobucket. I have photobucket and have experienced nothing except being a little slow once in a great while.

I have payed a small yearly fee for my account the last few years because of the large library I maintain there. For me the service seems worthwhile and reasonable for what they provide

There must be someting I'm missing about all this or don't understand Question.

 

The problem is that far too many people put all of their eggs in one basket by putting all of their photos on one hosting site.

Not a very intelligent thing to do in the first place.

I've used Photobucket, (and pretty much hated it from the start) but I keep all of my pics on my hard drive as well as maintaining a few photos on other hosting sites.

Since Photobucket decided to pull their little stunt,I now use Fotki as my main source for posting pics.

I haven't missed a beat for posting photos & I personally think that the Photobucket debacle is a poor excuse for not frequenting a forum.

 

Steve

 

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Posted by gbk1 on Sunday, October 01, 2017 2:07 PM

Treehugger Dave

I hear people here continually talking about problems with Photobucket. I have photobucket and have experienced nothing except being a little slow once in a great while.

I have payed a small yearly fee for my account the last few years because of the large library I maintain there. For me the service seems worthwhile and reasonable for what they provide

There must be someting I'm missing about all this or don't understand Question.

 

Most Photobucket users over the many years Photobucket have been around have been Free Account users. In June of this year Photobucket changed their policy, no longer allowing image hosting for its Free account users. They changed their policy with absolutely no advance notice, and over the course of a month or so most Free Account users saw their Photobucket-hosted images on various web sites (i.e. blogs, forums, eBay, etc.) replaced by this logo:

The alternative, as referred to in the logo, was to switch to the only Photobucket pay account that will offer image hosting on a going forward basis, Photobucket's P500 service which costs $399.00 per year or $40.00/month. As I understand it, once your current pay account expires you can expect to be given the choice of either having your images cut off from hosting in this manner, or to subscribe to the P500 service.

The damage done across the internet has been severe and widespread. Forums have been shut down, web stores have had to completely re-do their image hosting or suddenly pay $399.00 per year in additional operating costs, and millions of web pages are now littered with this logo in lieu of the original images.

There are many free and reliable web hosting services but the many, many thousands of users of the Photobucket Free Service have either had to accept that their images are now gone from their web postings, or had to go in and re-link them to an alternate source. The images stored on Photobucket's servers are still there so user's reactions to all this has varied widely. Those of us who value the content of other's postings have been negatively affected because we can no longer see the images. Those who post with the idea that what they have to say may be of some value to others are similarly negatively impacted. But many users view image hosting as a short term proposition, using it largely in real time. They have shrugged it off and moved on to other hosting services.

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Posted by DanR67 on Sunday, October 01, 2017 3:25 PM

I've been gone for some time, although I was never a big contributor to the board in the first place. Both my father and mother died and then I was facing a layoff at work, and finally I took an offer to relocate to GE in Cincinnati, OH so that I wouldn't lose my job. I still haven't fully relocated, so my model building time has been severely compromised from all of this. I will say that the move has been great from a modeling perspective. I'm surrounded by Hobby Lobby stores, several great hobby shops, four Ollie's Bargain Outlets that so far have yielded several great deals on kits, as well as multiple Michael's. Connecticut was a literal wasteland with exception of 2-3 good shops, but none that were less than 30 miles from where I lived. I'm going to try to get back into the swing of things.

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Posted by American185 on Sunday, October 01, 2017 7:40 PM

In the past 6 months, this is one of those sites that if you are not on it for 2 weeks or more, you are missing nothing. Last month, one poster wrote about leaving because no one oohed and aahed over his build, a so so Mustang. To me, this is a hobby and nothing more. I work, have a home, family and not all day to post the progress or check in on anyone elses. Don't need to share the wheels being on, chasis being painted, or an ash tray glued in. Don't personally care when I do it, and even less when another person does. The end result is what matters, not the in between stuff. These are scale models, not the real thing, and no one discovered a cure for cancer here. It is supposed to be fun and some stress relief, share some ideas, not a full time job that takes everything over. I have seen lots of professional builds, and yes they are stunning but also 99% are factory. Would rather look at them all day long on google or ebay, than something lowered, crazy paint colors, flames and stripes. You can get a lot of ideas and see what you are lacking in your own builds by viewing these. And a few have websites, and love to offer tips and ideas. Where I get most of my ideas from, as I only build factory stock.

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