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What's the best primer to use?
Posted by papadan on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:15 PM

Well, here's a big duh question of the week.  Since I've been out of this for so long, I forgot to purchase primer.  And now looking at primers, I amazed as to how many different types there are?   I'll be building a Revell 56 Ford Pickup, that's still in the box, and has been for over 39 year.  Going to us Krylon Fusion plastic paint.   Use to be white primer would be best under a coat of Red, for a brighter Red.  

Any suggestions, ideas and/or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks to all, DaPapa

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Posted by plastikjunkie66 on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:06 PM

i honestly prefer tamiya finr surface primer .it has excellent atomization.and you can get it in white and light grey..

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Posted by papadan on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 7:17 PM

great, thanks pjk66

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Posted by MikeMc on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 7:45 PM

Don't use FUSION on styrene !! Lots of different primers out there, search on the forum in the paint section and read em !

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Posted by BigTallDad on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:03 PM

MikeMc

...search on the forum in the paint section and read em !

Sorry Mike, but the Search function still sucks.

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Posted by robs4516 on Thursday, January 17, 2013 12:21 PM

I'm in about the same place you are, PapaDan. I'm just getting back into painting and I'm still trying to hit on the best primer. I've tried Rustoleum, Testors and Duplicolor, and I'm settling on Duplicolor. The Testors gave a good finish, but it comes out of the nozzle so thick, it's hard to get a decently thin coat. I've thought about using the Tamiya, but it's too expensive. I'll stick with the Duplicolor for now.

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Posted by papadan on Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:27 PM

thanks robs, appreciate the feed back

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Posted by papadan on Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:29 PM

Fusion is for plastic???  What kind of effect would it have on Model Cars?

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Posted by papadan on Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:30 PM

And what kind of effect would Fusion have a model cars?  It's primer and paint in one can????  or so that's what the can says????

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Posted by BigTallDad on Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:42 PM

I'd stay awayfrom Fusion. The paint targets polypropylene products, and I have no idea as to how it would react to any of the strippers we commonly use (should you need to strip/repaint).

As far as primer? Take a look at ModelcarRJR's work...stunning! He uses the cheapo primer from Walmart,

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Posted by plastikjunkie66 on Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:55 PM

tamiya may be a lil pricey but i think my other fav primer is plastikote sandable and its now about 7-8 bucks a can. but the best paint jobs are created from how you prepare for paint. try scale hobbyist. com its 7.59 a can. i have 15 cans.. so smooth..

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Posted by rebel70 on Thursday, January 17, 2013 4:05 PM

i use the walmart primer in the blue can its .97 cents a can

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Posted by aussiemuscle308 on Thursday, January 17, 2013 5:06 PM

i'm tempted to say the best primer is the one you have on hand. i typically use automotive primers from a spray can. it's recommended that you use the undercoat that is closest to your top coat colour, eg red primers for red paints. Grey is a good coverage for anything other than white.

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Posted by BigTallDad on Thursday, January 17, 2013 5:29 PM

rebel70

i use the walmart primer in the blue can its .97 cents a can

 
I believe that's the same primer ModelcarRJR uses.

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Posted by modelcarjr on Saturday, January 19, 2013 10:51 AM

Thanks, BTD!  Yes, I also use the cheapo Walmart Primer and it works well. I also use the flat white as a base coat although it is a little thicker than Tamiya fine surface primer. The trouble with Tamiya is that I can't find it and it is at least $8 for a 5 oz can when I can get the same result with Walmart paint which is $1 for a 10 oz can. If you build enough you will appreciate the economics of the situation! 

By the way, don't use Fusion as you will end up with a runny mess. I have tried it. I do use the regular Krylon but be aware that it tends to have a orange peel or matte finish so it will need a good clear and a good wet sanding with polishing cloths to smooth it out! Just my My 2 Cents Cool

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Posted by MikeG on Saturday, January 19, 2013 5:44 PM

The Tamiya primer rocks, but is mucho expensive- I've been getting good results from PlastiKote white automotive sanding primer (pn T-237) and also the grey version, depending on the application. I tried some Rustoleum primer recently and was extremely disappointed as it didn't seem to dry hard and resisted my efforts to sand it smooth- I ended up stripping it and starting over.

A good trick to get red paint jobs to really "pop" is to paint a coat of yellow before the red.

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Posted by papadan on Sunday, January 20, 2013 2:55 PM

Thanks, MCJ,  Appreciate the come back.

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Posted by mcmainstribe on Monday, January 21, 2013 8:09 AM

I have good luck with the Walmart primer.  One of my buddies who paints 1:1 cars said he has used it under auto paint for touch ups when he was out of auto primer and says it works fine.  He painted 2 kits for me with auto paint several years ago, and they both turned out nice over the cheap WM primer.

BTW Mike G, thanks for the tip about red paints-I usually don't paint red, but I have an upcoming build in mind that may look good in red...

Larry

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Posted by papadan on Monday, January 21, 2013 1:01 PM

Thanks, guys!  A wide approach to the primer question and all very helpful.  

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Posted by MikeG on Monday, January 21, 2013 5:25 PM

mcmainstribe
BTW Mike G, thanks for the tip about red paints-I usually don't paint red, but I have an upcoming build in mind that may look good in red...

Larry

You're very welcome, Larry. I should add that this is for BRIGHT reds like Guard's red, Ducati Corsa red, etc.  

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Posted by NYNS-Franky on Monday, January 21, 2013 6:57 PM

Well after reading all the responses to this thread, I agree that Tamiya's grey and white primer work very well, as mentioned expensive, but coverage and finish are excellent.  I like to use it on bodies (larger surface area, then smaller parts ex, suspension parts.

What I havent heard mentioned yet is Alclad primers.  I have both white and grey, that have micro fillers in them and have become my favorite primer!   I have paid $10 here in Canada.  Here is a link to the product

alclad2.com/.../primers-misc

You may think it's expensive, but you use it through your airbrush. So compared to an aerosol can there is less waste, meaning it last longer.  I have used it for small and large parts (car bodies).  I find I apply less coats as it builds quick and the coverage is great.  If done right, the final coat is very smooth to the point where I usually dont need to sand it.

On my last model and the peterbilt I'm working on know I used duplicolor filler primer, and sealer.  Not sure if I'm really impressed with it yet.  If I had my choice of the ones I mentioned, it would be Alclad.  Food for thought!

Franky

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Posted by High octane on Monday, January 21, 2013 7:23 PM

I've used Plasti-Coat Sandable Primer as well as Testors Primer with good results. Now I'm using Tamiya primer and I really like it as it's so thin.

High octane

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Posted by tincap70 on Monday, January 21, 2013 9:55 PM
Lately I've been using water borne primer. It doesn't shrink or lift & has a lower voc.
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Posted by baycolony on Saturday, January 26, 2013 7:58 AM

My favorite out of the can is Tamiya, bar none.  It is worth the expense and I only use it to prep car bodies.  I use the cheap stuff for everything else.  Another good option from the airbrush is "Mr Surfacer."  It comes in different thicknesses,  will fill small blemishes, and goes on as good as Tamiya.

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Posted by atticrat on Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:56 AM

I'm also a fan of Plasti-Kote sandable primer, it has just enough filler in it to help smooth out any body work. I also use the Tamiya Fine Surface primer in white, but I only use it as a base coat, as it doesn't seem to have any fillers in it. For best results with the Plasti-Kote, I warm the can up substantially, and shake the !@#$% out of it for about 10 minutes. It always works well for me. You can buy Plasti-Kote in the mid-west at Tractor Supply farm stores...

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Posted by zaina on Saturday, February 16, 2013 11:00 AM
Plasti-Kote is what I use and I love it. Teators and any other hobby paint is just getting too expensive. I paid 6.99 for a small can of Tamiya the other day. A little ridiculous if you ask me.

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Posted by BandC253 on Sunday, February 17, 2013 6:25 AM

Several primers you can use here is what I prefer or use on regular basis. Duplicolor automotive primer, Upol Automotive primer, and occasionally krylon. I don't use tamiya for primer it is just too damn expensive for primer.  As far as the fusion stuff goes it eats the plastic styrene. It makes a crinkle paint kob and ruins the model I learned the hard way.

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Posted by willieman on Monday, February 18, 2013 9:23 PM

I useand love Krylon "indoor outdoor" primer !!

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