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What are the forum rules on NASCAR builds, sponsored by alcohol or tobacco?
Posted by 195X on Wednesday, July 04, 2018 6:50 PM

I probably shouldn't have to ask, but I couldn't find anything in the faq.

Skoal Bandit? Winston show car? Busch beer Olds? I'm assuming these are all nono's?

My favorite color is clear. I am also ambidexterous, I can screw up equally well with either hand. I am 53 years old and been building for most of that time. :)

On the bench... somewhere. Pink Panther show car, 1978 Dodge Magnum Charger Daytona Midnight edition SE 300. Mongrel T.

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Posted by nottheband on Wednesday, July 04, 2018 7:27 PM

Interesting question, 195X, considering that the Dukes' Charger roof photos are routinely censored.

There are also numerous historical Formula 1 cars sponsored by 'no-nos', like Marlboro-McLaren MP4s, JPS-Lotus 79, Camel Lotus 99, and sports cars such as Rothmans-Porsche 956, not to mention all the Martini sponsorship in sports cars, F1, and rallying .  Kits produced in recent years (maybe since around 2000?) don't have the politically-incorrect but historically-correct logos and markings, but older kits do, and the aftermarket makes them available as well. 

So, do we build an authentic historic race car model, or a sanitised 'sort of' version?  Yes, an interesting topic.  Cheers

Steve

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Posted by Dale Gribble on Wednesday, July 04, 2018 8:12 PM

nottheband

Interesting question, 195X, considering that the Dukes' Charger roof photos are routinely censored.

There are also numerous historical Formula 1 cars sponsored by 'no-nos', like Marlboro-McLaren MP4s, JPS-Lotus 79, Camel Lotus 99, and sports cars such as Rothmans-Porsche 956, not to mention all the Martini sponsorship in sports cars, F1, and rallying .  Kits produced in recent years (maybe since around 2000?) don't have the politically-incorrect but historically-correct logos and markings, but older kits do, and the aftermarket makes them available as well. 

So, do we build an authentic historic race car model, or a sanitised 'sort of' version?  Yes, an interesting topic.  Cheers

Steve

 

 

wait , so if I post a general lee here , I cant post a pic of the roof ??? Can you point me to the specific rule ? I can't imagine a tobacco or alcohol related build would be an issue .... We're all adults here ...

"rare" kit? no such thing!

build it, dont let it sit on the shelf.....

you cant take it with you, hearses dont have luggage racks......

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Posted by mrmike on Thursday, July 05, 2018 7:55 AM

Dale Gribble

 

 
nottheband

Interesting question, 195X, considering that the Dukes' Charger roof photos are routinely censored.

There are also numerous historical Formula 1 cars sponsored by 'no-nos', like Marlboro-McLaren MP4s, JPS-Lotus 79, Camel Lotus 99, and sports cars such as Rothmans-Porsche 956, not to mention all the Martini sponsorship in sports cars, F1, and rallying .  Kits produced in recent years (maybe since around 2000?) don't have the politically-incorrect but historically-correct logos and markings, but older kits do, and the aftermarket makes them available as well. 

So, do we build an authentic historic race car model, or a sanitised 'sort of' version?  Yes, an interesting topic.  Cheers

Steve

 

 

 

 

wait , so if I post a general lee here , I cant post a pic of the roof ??? Can you point me to the specific rule ? I can't imagine a tobacco or alcohol related build would be an issue .... We're all adults here ...

 

The rule in regards to the General Lee Charger is an unwritten rule that was created when someone had complained about the Confederate flag on the roof.  I believe that Jim Haught may have come up with that rule, but I am not 100% sure.  I haven't seen any General Lees on the forum lately, besides, I seen enough of them to suit me for several lifetimes.

I hate to tell you guys, but we are NOT all adults here!  We have youngsters visiting this site as well as adults.  There are rules in regards to language, posting pictures, and the type of links we can post, too.  For a while, kit manufacturers were replacing tobacco and alcohol decals with a more generaic name to limit exposure of tobacco and alcohol products to those under the age of consent.  Adults have been asking where they could find the specific name decals for their NASCAR builds.

It may be hard for some people to understand, but while many adults post on this forum, there may be youngsters looking and posting on here as well.  I think we all need a return to "common sense" and be very mindful of what we say and what we post on here.  Do you know how old that person you are responding to in a post is?  How "politically correct" is that person?  Just remember, until you get to know that person, that person is a big unknown to you.

Remember that old saying, engage brain before putting mouth in gear?  The same applys to posting and texting!        

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Posted by Dale Gribble on Thursday, July 05, 2018 10:45 AM

mrmike

 

 
Dale Gribble

 

 
nottheband

Interesting question, 195X, considering that the Dukes' Charger roof photos are routinely censored.

There are also numerous historical Formula 1 cars sponsored by 'no-nos', like Marlboro-McLaren MP4s, JPS-Lotus 79, Camel Lotus 99, and sports cars such as Rothmans-Porsche 956, not to mention all the Martini sponsorship in sports cars, F1, and rallying .  Kits produced in recent years (maybe since around 2000?) don't have the politically-incorrect but historically-correct logos and markings, but older kits do, and the aftermarket makes them available as well. 

So, do we build an authentic historic race car model, or a sanitised 'sort of' version?  Yes, an interesting topic.  Cheers

Steve

 

 

 

 

wait , so if I post a general lee here , I cant post a pic of the roof ??? Can you point me to the specific rule ? I can't imagine a tobacco or alcohol related build would be an issue .... We're all adults here ...

 

 

 

The rule in regards to the General Lee Charger is an unwritten rule that was created when someone had complained about the Confederate flag on the roof.  I believe that Jim Haught may have come up with that rule, but I am not 100% sure.  I haven't seen any General Lees on the forum lately, besides, I seen enough of them to suit me for several lifetimes.

I hate to tell you guys, but we are NOT all adults here!  We have youngsters visiting this site as well as adults.  There are rules in regards to language, posting pictures, and the type of links we can post, too.  For a while, kit manufacturers were replacing tobacco and alcohol decals with a more generaic name to limit exposure of tobacco and alcohol products to those under the age of consent.  Adults have been asking where they could find the specific name decals for their NASCAR builds.

It may be hard for some people to understand, but while many adults post on this forum, there may be youngsters looking and posting on here as well.  I think we all need a return to "common sense" and be very mindful of what we say and what we post on here.  Do you know how old that person you are responding to in a post is?  How "politically correct" is that person?  Just remember, until you get to know that person, that person is a big unknown to you.

Remember that old saying, engage brain before putting mouth in gear?  The same applys to posting and texting!        

 

 

 I hate to say, but if I was to post my general lee build or. 90's tobacco related race car and caught any crap, it would probably be my last day here .  

 

To be brutally honest, if there is someone here that is not an adult and they are offended by a model car, something is wrong with them or the way they were raised,   And perhaps that youngsters parents need to be more mindful of where they are going on the Internet ...

 

If we are so sensitive in society now that the mere image of a Marboro , or Winston logo on a race car, or a flag from the history of our country Offends someone- They need to sit down and find their "safe place", and   I don't think that modeling is for them ....I really hate how soft and crybaby our country has become. It's really pathetic to think that someone building a model car has to worry about if the next man is going to be whining and complaining about his build.... It's simple , if you don't like it , dont comment and move to the next topic ...

"rare" kit? no such thing!

build it, dont let it sit on the shelf.....

you cant take it with you, hearses dont have luggage racks......

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Posted by 195X on Thursday, July 05, 2018 12:24 PM

Okay, so I'm just going to go with "no". If a flag that's never harmed anyone can't be shown they don't want to see a Wi$@&on show car. Thanks for the input guys.

My favorite color is clear. I am also ambidexterous, I can screw up equally well with either hand. I am 53 years old and been building for most of that time. :)

On the bench... somewhere. Pink Panther show car, 1978 Dodge Magnum Charger Daytona Midnight edition SE 300. Mongrel T.

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Posted by Plowboy on Friday, July 06, 2018 8:40 AM

195X

Okay, so I'm just going to go with "no". If a flag that's never harmed anyone can't be shown they don't want to see a Wi$@&on show car. Thanks for the input guys.

Things have changed since Jim Haught's departure. Members weren't allowed to have avatars, they weren't allowed to post more than three pictures per post, no photos in signatures etc. etc. I would wait to hear from Robby or Mark. 
 
As far as kids being exposed to a model  with cigarette sposorship? Please! They're exposed to far worse at school and home.
 

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Posted by oldcarguy on Sunday, July 15, 2018 10:34 AM

Oh Boy !

  Y'all have hit a nerve in this Old Man . 75 and not liking the fact that A.M.T at the heighth of the Anti - Tobacco Ruckus and Anti - Beer Ruckus , chose to remove from the catalogue the " Miss Budweiser " Hydro-Plane , as seen on Lake Washington .

 I smoked since I was twelve starting with corn-silk  and due to family customs at that age I was considered a Man ! That meant wine at family meals . Did the ads and markings make me do either NO ! 

 The Smoking  I guess , was a result of war movies and Cowboy flicks and trying to emulate my " Heros " They all smoked on screen . In War movies some  , smoked like chimneys .  Didn't make any difference what brand .

 Beer and Wine ? never gave it much thought . Except a beer once in a while I don't imbibe much . Hard Liquor ? yes  ,on occasion  Would the markings on a model make me want to try it ? NO ! Besides I can't stomach most home country  brews . German Lagers and English Stouts as well as Aussie Stouts are all I have a real taste for .

 Now , when I was little ( 9 to12 or so ) Budweiser ads and decals didn't make a lot of difference to me . Why ? Well ,it was a company sponsoring a Very Expensive race boat !

 You didn't run those boats on your own . You needed sponsors , this is the same for race cars . They ain't cheap . How long was it before you saw a car with Micro Soft on it ?! Take the Formula cars . I didn't care about Players Cigarettes ! I thought the black and gold livery was Gorgeous !

 Martini Porsche , anyone ? Not just a company name , but the name of a well known Cocktail too ! All this Politically correct C$%^ has my hackles up . Why try to change history ? It's already happened ! The subject material ? Well  ,Think of all the years Sherwin - Williams sold and advertised " Paints that cover the World "  They still do .Oh lets make them stop .Their early paints are poisoning the little kids who chew on window sills in Poor folks dwellings because of lead which controlled how it flowed on a surface  .Well , My kids weren't allowed to chew on the house !

 Oh Never Mind I apologize for the rant . It is what it is ! Darned it ! O.C.G.

 

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Posted by Zoom Zoom on Sunday, July 15, 2018 11:50 AM

Here's the real deal; not speculation. I asked Mark Savage in person about the General Lee and Alcohol/Tobacco restrictions. He told me those were issues championed singularly by Jim Haught; they were not general Kalmbach policy for Scale Auto.

With the changing of the guard after Jim retired it's perfectly okay again to share General Lee models, it's perfectly okay to post photos of models with alcohol/tobacco sponsorship. When in doubt, go to the top and ask! 

Zoom Zoom, aka Bob Downie My Fotki Album The only cure for modeler's ADD is "final assembly and decal placement"
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Posted by Plowboy on Sunday, July 15, 2018 10:19 PM

Thanx for clarifying that Bob. I always figured that was the case. Especially since Finescale allowed swastikas on military models.   

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Posted by 195X on Sunday, July 15, 2018 10:38 PM

Zoom Zoom

Here's the real deal; not speculation. I asked Mark Savage in person about the General Lee and Alcohol/Tobacco restrictions. He told me those were issues championed singularly by Jim Haught; they were not general Kalmbach policy for Scale Auto.

With the changing of the guard after Jim retired it's perfectly okay again to share General Lee models, it's perfectly okay to post photos of models with alcohol/tobacco sponsorship. When in doubt, go to the top and ask! 

 

Thank you gentlemen. We're all modelers here and as such, you never know when inspiration will strike, or what direction it will take. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to commit a faux pas that will get me banned.

My favorite color is clear. I am also ambidexterous, I can screw up equally well with either hand. I am 53 years old and been building for most of that time. :)

On the bench... somewhere. Pink Panther show car, 1978 Dodge Magnum Charger Daytona Midnight edition SE 300. Mongrel T.

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