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How many of you folks are tired of Scale Auto mag running the
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 9, 2004 7:17 PM
same photos of cars that have already won at other contests. They need to tell their photographers to look a little harder for others. There are some out there I know. I have been to many contests that has had just as good or better models there that has not been photographed or been put in the magazine.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 9, 2004 9:22 PM
Hello Mini!! I must say I've seen some amazing builds off the forum!! That I think is most worthy of a story in the mag!! I only get to flip through it on the shelfs!! Shy
So I'm not saying anything about the mag!! I've enjoyed ever issue I've come across!! I can relate from where you are coming from!! I would be like how I feel about radio stations playing the same rotations until you have no choice but to know the words of songs you don't even like, When there is so much brilliant music out there that you will never, ever hear on the radio!! Maybe we can have some sort of poll on who should be nominated for a spot in the mag one month!! These are all just some ideas, my 2 cents really!! Blush
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Posted by MojoDoctor on Thursday, September 9, 2004 9:33 PM
Jim Haught has talked with us about this situation before.
Often times they do not get ahold of every contest winner at the events to photograph their models, or the scheduling doesn't allow the models to be around when the photographer is available. Sometimes, the lighting is bad or the modeller leaves before a good photo can be obtained. It's not as simple as it seems.

I hope I haven't spoken out of place Jim.

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Posted by jhaught on Friday, September 10, 2004 8:58 AM
WVMini-Rodder, your criticism is way off base.

We've made a conscious effort NOT to run multiple images of models that have won at other events. The two biggest examples of this are Bruce Owen's Virtue RSX and JIm Drew's Corvette Grand Sport. These two models have dominated most of the shows in which they have been entered, so what we've done in recent months is to run a different model by these guys (JIm Drew's Summit Racing car, for instance) and just mention their other model in results or in the text.

However, there will be times when you'll see models more than once -- especially if a repeat showing is germane to the event story. Remember that many of these events are peer-judged, so if people at three different locations like the Vette, and it dominates the results, we're not going to punish Jim by not running it. It's not his fault that he built a model people really like!

We have expanded the number of pages devoted to contest coverage, so that we can show more models and have a greater variety of subjects.

We work hard at shows to get as many good models photographed as time will allow. In many cases we only have part of one day -- a few hours -- to do this. We have photo request forms on the tables, with the models, at all times the show is open. There are always some modelers who do not bring their models up to be photographed, or who do not fill out the forms with enough information to use the images we shot.

When you see one of our event reports, you should be able to envision yourself at the event and see a representative sample of the models on display: muscle cars, trucks, 1/43 scale, rods, etc. Yes, there might have been six great '57 Chevys on hand, and we might only show one or two; but I'm not going to run six of one car and exclude another category altogether. That's unfair to others' interests.

At NNL East and West there were roughly 1,000 models at each show, and about a six-hour window for photography. So yes, there are worthy models that won't make the cut. I shot nearly 100 models at each show, and felt I got a pretty good sampling of what was on the tables.

Jim Haught

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Posted by scalespeedworks on Friday, September 10, 2004 10:59 AM
My model was picked for a photo shoot at NNL West last year. Let me tell you, those photo guys work hard! Don't forget that these guys have to walk around and look through hundreds and hundreds of models to pick something they and the readers will like. Then they slip a card under it stating they want to photograph it, and a sheet for the builder to fill out. The line to the camera was like a grocery store line a few times. At the end of the show when we were cleaning up, some models STILL had the card under their model. Where were these people? Oh well, their loss!

If they could devote a special issue just for one show it might be a little different, but unfortunately there is only so much space in a magazine vs. the amount of events. The contest annuals are the next best thing we have now.



Ron http://www.scalespeedworks.com http://public.fotki.com/lauron/rons/model_cars/
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Posted by jhaught on Friday, September 10, 2004 1:16 PM
Yes, and this is one reason why we only put out so many sheets at a time; otherwise the lines can get quite long, which is frustrating for everyone and can cause traffic problems by clogging aisles at shows.

Generally we put out 10-15 sheets at a time, and when we get a significant number of the first group shot, we put out another, etc. because we know there is a certain percentage we won't get. And sometimes guys will drop off models for judging, then go visit the vendor area, have lunch, etc., so there's often another rush period near the end of the day. Add in the time lost at some shows when the models are "locked" to the tables for judging, and you can see how crunched we get for time.

Jim Haught

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Posted by Drackopolis on Friday, September 10, 2004 3:22 PM
I commend your work, Jim.
I saw how confusing it can get for you in Cincinnati this year, and i appreciate your even taking the time to shoot any kits at all.

See you again in April '05... ;)
Rev. James D. Baker www.bakerministries.org
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Posted by 46achers on Friday, September 10, 2004 4:35 PM
I worked for a local "hot rod" magazine in my area for about a year. Working for a magazine is not a "glory" job, it is WORK. . We were always short handed, everyone wanted there car or car event featured, and YES we would upset people. You just can't please everyone. I think SAE has really improved lately. so have no problems with the mag.
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Posted by mustangmuscle on Friday, September 10, 2004 8:02 PM
Personally I do not care that much of the contest coverages in SAE, I suppose the main reason to have them in is they provide inspiration for readers. For me the pictures are too small, and the accompanying text is too short. I would see much more usefulness for these coverages if there were sevral pictures of the same car (and bigger?), showing details, and a more expansive text explaining how the model was done (rather than plainly saying "the engine was fully plumbed" for example).

What do you think?
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Posted by roadhawg on Friday, September 10, 2004 9:21 PM
Nah, we NEED the contest coverage....no contest coverage would be like no PowerTour coverage in Hot Rod magazine....and I enjoy seeing who won what....and it DOES give us plenty of ideas!

I went to a "gentleman's club" because the sign said they had all the hottest models. I thought it was a hobby shop. Man, was I ever disappointed.

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Posted by midnightprowler on Saturday, September 11, 2004 8:17 AM
I like the contest coverage as well, it gives us fodder for building ideas for sure, and I eally enjoy seeng otheres work as well. I think the staff deserves major kudos for the job they do. It doesn't bother me at all to see the same car twice or more. It would be good to see it from another angle however.
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Posted by scalespeedworks on Saturday, September 11, 2004 2:25 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by mustangmuscle

Personally I do not care that much of the contest coverages in SAE, I suppose the main reason to have them in is they provide inspiration for readers. For me the pictures are too small, and the accompanying text is too short. I would see much more usefulness for these coverages if there were sevral pictures of the same car (and bigger?), showing details, and a more expansive text explaining how the model was done (rather than plainly saying "the engine was fully plumbed" for example).

What do you think?


SA has done this many times. It seems to me that if someone shows up at shows and repeatedly has great models, they become a "featured modeler" and get a few of their models put into an article. Of course, a contributor/author has to be willing to write the story about that modeler in the first place.
Ron http://www.scalespeedworks.com http://public.fotki.com/lauron/rons/model_cars/
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Posted by Bucky on Sunday, September 12, 2004 1:12 AM
Confused Here's a wrinkle. I agree with everyone here! How about that?! Yes, I like the contest coverage. I can see what's out there and what I' have to do to be in the same league. No, I don't like seeing the same model more than maybe twice. There are a lot more out there to be photographed. I won the diorama class at one contest and placed third in another, and I was around til the end and saw no photographer. It has to be hard work to do every aspect of the magazine, but I would gladly pay more in order to see the magazine get more pages and photos. And, just for my My 2 centsworth, I'd like to see more articles centered around how-to stuff for dioramas.

Kit instructions? What's that??

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 12, 2004 1:33 AM
I not only think the SAE crew does an awesome job at contests, but I like seeing the contest winners. I think that the whole thing comes down to the fact that everyone would love to see there own model in the mags. I am included. It interests me knowing that there are so many models out there, and seeing the cars that people are building is neat. So many people, so many choices! Its nice that there is a magazine that is devoted to our hobby, and not just having a one page article that we all stare at for hours, because the other pages are about quilts or something, we have all had intrests like this (not the quilt example necessarily). How about a readers rides section? Or different themes for special issues? How about an issue devoted to turning a Datsun 510 into a super gas car?Big Smile Now thats entertainment!!
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Posted by jhaught on Monday, September 13, 2004 8:16 AM
One reason you don't see or read more information about the models is that it's really difficult to get people to write more about their models, especially in a show setting. And if we DO find a really exceptional model and shoot multiple views of it, we'll follow with a "Showcase" two-pager on it later. And if a modeler has a series of really good/interesting models, we may shoot several of them and show them in "Portfolio" as we recently did with Sean Langer.

The basic 1-1/2-column photo size is a good balance between showing the essence of the model and getting a god number of subjects shown. If we ran larger photos, there would have to be fewer of them, so ...

The basic premise behind contest coverage is "here's what you missed by not being at this show" and "if you took a walk around the tables, here's a representative sample of what you would have seen." Add to that the "eye candy" effect of looking at several pages of nice models, and you'll also end up with folks who are motivated/inspired to build.

Jim Haught

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 13, 2004 9:06 AM
Why haven’t you photographed one of my models?? Not fair, I want an article!! I won a contest once 'Best in show', admittedly it was the only contest I have ever entered and it was over here in Australia! That was in 1998, where were you guys??
Look if you show up at my place and do at least a 10 page spread on one of my models there’s pancakes in it for you!!
Sorry K357, none for you...................................Nurse nasty said.
Wink Big Smile
Seriously, I have been reading your mag since I first found it back in about 1991-2(?) I don’t think you could make it any better. I’m happy and that’s what matters (to me at least)
I enjoy the build up articles on hugely modified cars, I know there a difficult article to write, you can’t always be there for the building of a master piece!!
Only problem is that your mag costs around 12-15$ an issue over here If you can find one! There hard to get, yeah I know I should subscribe buy my VA pension wont allow that!
Wow, what a sob story!! Didn’t mean it, got carried away!!Sad
Cheers all,
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Posted by dag65 on Monday, September 13, 2004 11:37 AM
having attempted to do coverage of local shows and the Rocky Mountain Good Guys contests over the last several years I commend the staff at SA for their coverage efforts. Outstanding job Jim and staff, keep it up. In fact I would like to see more coverage and possibly a bit more verbage on the associatted events such as swap meets, make n takes .......
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