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NNL editorial
Posted by HowardCohen on Sunday, May 15, 2016 7:07 AM

Well, your editorial sure did make some waves! And maybe not in the right direction :( I have spoken to a few people in this area who read your editorial and have decided they will not go to a NNL style event or a contest ever again. They are now convinced that 'every event is fixed'! Their theory is that 'Scale Auto said it, it must be true'. I think you may have made a mistake :( Your words may have turned off people who were borderline and that can only hurt the hobby. Hobby stores in many areas are struggling to keep customers and now you turn off their customers? That's not good. These same people who will stop going to events may also stop buying and reading your magazine. Why read about an event if it is fixed? :( No, I don't agree with your editorial nor the way you presented it. 

FYI...I have been going to the NNL Nationals at Toledo since the very early days more than 30 years ago. My model car club used to bring our dealership to display and even our slot track oval. No one ever talked about 'fixing' the ballots, no one cared. We just wanted to talk model cars. I have been a regular at NNL East for 10 years and NNL Detroit is now a regular event. I have never seen any ballot box stuffing. I doubt most people really care, well, not the modellers I talk to, and I talk to a lot :)

Maybe what hurts the average modeller more than ballot box stuffing is seeing the same names and same models in your magazine over and over and over. You show some amazing models from the top 5% of the builders but you leave out the average modeller, the other 95%. Maybe you should try to show more average builders and stop worrying about the stuffing the ballot boxes :) 

 

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Posted by oldnslow on Tuesday, May 17, 2016 6:14 AM

Shouldn't fault Jim for telling the truth. The problem came up in some of our local shows and we decided that to fix it, the local members (club putting on the show) were not allowed to enter their models in competion, but on the exibition only table. Cured a lot of it, the "interlopers" couldn't complain about stacking the deck for locals and more of them received awards. The off shoot is higher attendance because they know they're getting a fair shake in judging. Wish everyone could get together and just enjoy the hobby.

Robert Lightsey

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Posted by jhaught on Tuesday, May 17, 2016 9:15 AM

To say what my editorial "may have" done, or motivated people to do or not to do, is pure speculation. Anyone can speculate about anything written or said.

And if there are people who won't attend events because they feel they are "fixed" -- which is not what I wrote -- speaks more to a problem with the events themselves than what I wrote about them. NNLs aren't even supposed to be competitive, yet it's the competition that is messing them up.

As for show coverage: I try to provide a representative view of what is on the tables at each show I attend -- a sort of Whitman's Sampler approach -- for those who were not present.

Having a model photographed is a big, big deal to many modelers. Having an image published is even more of a big deal. It's a point of pride, and in some ways a validation of their building skill. So yes, in most cases I go for the "best" models, at least in terms of build quality. There are exceptions, but generally, a model with paint or foil issues, a wobbly stance, etc. will not make the cut.

One of the main reasons for show coverage, in the magazine and in Contest Cars, is for the inspiration it provides. Seeing good models motivates and inspires other projects. People are not motivated by "average" models; they also won't buy magazines that show ordinary/average builds. Nor should they!

Jim Haught

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Posted by oldnslow on Tuesday, May 17, 2016 12:20 PM

"People are not motivated by "average" models; they also won't buy magazines that show ordinary/average builds. Nor should they!" Yeah, that's what the forums are for. Stick out tongue

Robert Lightsey

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Posted by Goofy62 on Tuesday, May 17, 2016 7:59 PM

I attended the NNL North show for the first time ever this past weekend & enjoyed myself very much.

Fixing Ballots?

There's not supposed to be any ballots anyway.

The NNL shows are "un-judged" events.

Any awards given are at the behest of the show promoters or the model club sponsors that award them.

I went there not giving a hoot about any awards.

That's not what the shows are all about.

Too many people feel that they have to leave with a giant trophy to validate their skills I guess.

I went there to finally meet a few other like minded builders after more than 40 years of being a total "lone wolf" & I had a great time, regardless of what was offered as far as awards.

By the way, I went home with 2 awards, a plaque & a trophy out of a total of 16 available.

If the totally new guys walks away with 2 of the 16 awards, that's some pretty horrendous "ballot box stuffing".

 

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Posted by jhaught on Wednesday, May 18, 2016 8:11 AM

Yes, at many NNLs there are ballots -- primarily for People's Choice, and sometimes for "Best Of" awards such as Best Paint or Best Interior. Sometimes the host club will designate the Best Of awards. There are many variations.

There's nothing inherently wrong with building for competition; many builders do so to push themselves and raise their skill level for all of their projects in the process. And some simply enjoy competing. That's thoroughly understandable, and Lord knows I was an over-the-top competitive modeler for 40+ years. It's the process(es) by which modelers' skills are acknowledged/rewarded (or not) that is often flawed.

Jim Haught

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Posted by Bluesman Mark on Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:17 AM

All of the discussions I've had on the subject wiith others tend to agree with Jim's spot on editorial, as do I. I even sent a letter in to the magazine about it, agreeing with much of what he wrote.

I've attended contests & NNLs, I've judged contests, & based on the NNL's I've attended I personally prefer the contest format. However I think that if you're going to have an NNL, have an actual NNL as originally created. It's a place for modelers to gather in a social situation, not a place to win awards. If you want to give out awards then hold a contest. Otherwise keep it a low pressure social event with a swapmeet.

Jim said some things that needed to be said, (though how much positive impact they will have remains to be seen, people in the hobby tend to suffer from self induced myopia), & it was refreshing to see an actual editorial designed to make people think in the magazine.

 

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Posted by jhaught on Friday, May 20, 2016 8:56 AM

Thanks, Mark. You got what I was driving at, exactly.

Many NNLs HAVE become competitive -- and that's counter to their intent. All the other maneuvering that happens as a result is why I wrote that, too many times, "the joke's on us."

I knew when I wrote that editorial that I was kicking the bees' nest a little bit. But this is a situation that deserves attention, discussion, and perhaps some action at some point.

Jim Haught

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