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February 2004 Issue
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 07, 2004 7:39 AM
As I read the February 2004 issue of Scale Auto, I was impressed by several different things, and disappointed by one. First off, this issue is very well designed. The feature articles, like Gustavson's "New Age Merc" had great photos and an eye pleasing layout (although I kept wanting to follow the steps one page at a time instead of as spreads). "Coats of Many Colors", and "Super Stockers" were also very well done. Kudos to all involved in making this issue a standout. I look forward to the next issue!

Scale Auto Showroom also had a different feel to it. Shorter, more objective reviews were greatly appreciated.

My disappointment came at the end of what appears to be Terry Jessee's last column. I've been a big fan of Terry's for as long as I've been reading Scale Auto, and am truly sorry to see him move on. Although no one will ever fill his shoes, I do hope the Resin Kits and Parts column will continue. A lot of great information is passed along in those two pages each issue.

My last opinion on your magazine concerns the new Real Detail monthly photo feature. Please put me down as someone who would rather have those pages dedicated to more modeling coverage. My feeling is that there are enough magazines, web sites, television series, and other reference venues currently available that highlight 1:1 cars. Scale Auto comes out only six times per year now, and I'd like each issue to be as jam packed with scale modeling features as possible.

Best Regards,
Jim Apitz
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Posted by gratch73a on Wednesday, January 07, 2004 12:59 PM
i agree the real detail section is a good idead for those looking for real car deatils / pic's. i like many other read alot of car craft, motor trend, etc. i can the info. from there. add more kit reviews, of feature annual kits of old, or...but please keep it model car related.Sleepy
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Posted by scalespeedworks on Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:51 PM
I haven't picked up the issue yet, but I sure hope Mark G has stopped his practice of....

...writing in broken paragraphs between pictures as...

...it gets really annoying because it breaks the flow.

Ron http://www.scalespeedworks.com http://public.fotki.com/lauron/rons/model_cars/
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 08, 2004 6:05 AM
The only thing that's annoying in that article is the way they laid it out. My eyes are trained to read right to left on one page, then progress to the next. This article's steps go right to left across 2 pages. I found myself getting confused about how a certain step was done and then noticed that I had actually missed a few steps in between.
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Posted by Andy Lilienthal on Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:49 AM
Just to inform you, the layout is not done by Mark G; it's done in-house.

Did anyone else find the layout difficult to follow?
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Posted by ThomasA3D on Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:10 PM
Yes, I thought it was a bit confusing.
The same design was used for the 56 Del Ray in last issue, but that was color-coordinated over the entire spread (I cant remember if the Merc article had different colors... I dont have the Magazine here)
Its not entirely bad though - sometimes its good to break your habits a bit and try something new - it keeps the readers on their toes and the layouters "fresh" (even a nice magazine like SAE gets boring to layout if you keep doing the same things over and over again – I speak from personal experience after 13 years in the graphic business Wink)
So IMHO that particular layout doesnt work very well, but by all means keep experimenting Smile

Just my 2 cents

ThomasA3D – http://www.a3d.dk
Recently finished: Camaro Concept Car and 40 Ford Coupe.
Current projects: 56 Chevy seventies-style custom and 50 Chevy Custom Truck

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Posted by MojoDoctor on Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:24 PM
I guess I'm the dissenting vote so far about the layout of the Merc. I like it!
No broken sentences, the color remains the same for each proceedure, and the sequence goes from left to right across the open magazine (which I like). You can lay the magazine open and look straight across the pages and see the whole sequence at once.
I'm also not sure about the 1:1 feature. I know that in years past readers have asked for these references, but I prefer to seek out car magazines for detail photos.
Just one more thing. James Wood's Faux Ferrari is OUTSTANDING!

Matt Good judgement is the result of experience, Experience is the result of poor judgement. Mark Twain

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Posted by Andy Lilienthal on Thursday, January 08, 2004 3:55 PM
The idea with the colors in the layout on the Merc story were so they were color coordinated. Each section was in its own color.

Mojo – I loved the Faux Ferrari,too. When I saw it for the first time, I thought that it was one of the coolest models I'd seen!
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Posted by Drackopolis on Thursday, January 08, 2004 4:10 PM
I didn't have any problems following the Merc layout at all. I liked the way it was presented.

I don't care for the 1:1 scale reference pictures though. i agree that the space should be reserved for model related material. That's only because i always end up wishing there was more modeling content after i reach the back cover.
I pretty much ignored that section and could do without it if the truth be known.
Rev. James D. Baker www.bakerministries.org
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 08, 2004 4:12 PM
Just picked up my copy this afternoon and i also belong to an online club that Mark is in and also Terry.. From what i see here and all the email every day with them talking and showing pics of there up and coming work all i can say is hat's off to every one from them to SA its one of a kind thing. I realy like the idea of one person showing his best but i do think they can get rid of the 1:1 car deal and put in some thing like what about the Project from the Boards. We could have one or two pages showing each issue the pics and build ups from the people here doing there work.. I know we are no body's in the big world of modeling but there is more of us then there is a hand full of them.

Just my thoughts.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 08, 2004 7:33 PM
Im with Jim at the top insted of that how bout a get to know the modeler?
have a pic of a certan modeler a bio some of his work . Or the small modeler everyone always says lets get the youth more into modeling. have picsof them and there work and more cONTEST PICS!!!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:41 PM
Just got my issue today....I have scanned over it pretty well but haven't "read" it yet....So I'll hold my comments until Im through which will probably be posted tomorrow at sometime.
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Posted by jhaught on Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:54 PM
The idea behind "Real Detail" is that it presents an alternative -- usually with customs -- to the racing vehicles usually shown in "Pit Pass." And it's not just pictures of 1:1 cars, but ideas are given with each subject about kits that can be used to model the pictured vehicle, or one like it. So it's not just "here's a cool 1:1 car we found."

As for the layouts, they are color-coordinated by topic, and the topic for each section is shown at the start: Engine, Bodywork, Drivetrain, Interior, etc. Just follow the color and you'll keep the sequence correct. The different colors also allows you to skip from section to section (not that anyone would ever read out-of-sequence, of course Wink).

And I have several more modeler profiles in mind too. You'll see them in future issues.

As for the Faux Ferrari, any model that impresses Pat Covert is certainly worth a look.

Jim Haught

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 09, 2004 1:57 PM
Ok heres my take on the magazine issue currently being discussed.

First off let me start by saying finding worthy content and filling out a magazine isnt always easy. I just got done writting a piece for Florida Sportsman, and I regularly contribute to a local magazine, so I know some of the things editors go through. Your job's are a tough one....Having said that....

On pg. 6 "Scale Mail"

You ask for our opinions on "Real Detail"....
Well I could do with out it! Sure it's neat but it's not really useful in a modeling magazine..."Well, it provides refrence." you say....Well your right it does for the select few modelers who might be interested in or working on that kit. Don't the 1:1 car mags (which there are way to many to list) provide refrence photos, info? Sure they might not be geared towards a "modeler"....but there's plenty of refrence sources available other than seeing 1:1 photo's in SA. I would rather the pgs be filled with some "honest modeling related content".....Ok I've made my point on this one......Though I have a feeling it might have some counter point's which are welcome, of cours!Wink

on pg. 14 "Scale Auto Showroom"....
I must ask what are 3 diecast cars doing there? Sure, diecast is neat, and normally considered a "scale model" but not to everyone. Why take up a page to feature diecasts, that are already built. Announce them in the what's new section, if you must include them, but don't waste the space of doing a pre-view on them. That's what diecast magazines are for. Haven't we all figured out that while the hobby might be trying to get us to conform into a diecast market, and by promoting the kits...in a traditionally "plastic" magazine, we are helping that evolution take place. "Well we have some subscribers, who like diecast and buy only diecast"...you might say. Well I would say they are buying the wrong magazine, then. They need to buy one directly suited to thier hobby needs and if Kalmbach doesn't have one maybe they should.....There is one (if not more out there) I see at Barnes&Nobles and Books A Million all the time, though the name escapes me.

Now on to the good stuff.....
Tips and Tech, love the solder tip....geesh why didnt I think of that!Approve

New Age Merc, Great article on a great car, even though it's not really my style it helps provide some indepth info on "how to" seriously modify a kit...cant wait for the next installments.

Faux Ferrari, ANY CAR THAT IMPRESSES PAT COVERT (One of my favorites!) DESERVES TO HAVE A SPOT IN THE MAG!ApproveApproveApprove
Holy cow that thing was wild, I think I had to wipe the drool off the pages more than once!Tongue

Coats of many colors, nice useful brief how to, great for begginers and novices, the "new blood" of the hobby which we need more of, but I dont see it happening. The rest of the mag is filled with the typical goodies I have come to expect from SA.Thumbs UpThumbs UpThumbs UpThumbs Up

One thing about benchracer though....at the end in the sources box. Studio 27 was listed under RCS motorsports, and I tried about 10 times to pull the page up and couldn't. Does anyone have the correct source for Studio 27 preferably with an online ordering site.

In closing....guys over all you do a great job! Keep up the good work! I've also sent this in to "Scale Mail" though I know it might not make it in the mag...that's OK, people can see it and respond here.
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Posted by rayray on Friday, January 09, 2004 4:06 PM
My, imput would be that I would"nt change a thing. I wait with baited breath for every issue. Ever since I picked up my first issue about 17Yrs., ago. I"ve been a faithful subscriber ever since. There are quite a few changes since then but they have turned out for the better and worst,But its like with life, adjustments have to be made. I miss alot of the past people. MAN did I get off the subject{LOL}. Every article is imformative and some what well done and as far as the 1on 1 feature I think it should be kept to no more than 2 pages and unusal subjects {stuff that you cant find in car magazines}. Other than that the only thing I would like to see added is Personal profile of the older modelers and some of their work and maybe some of their trade secerts. I love the mag., and have to say keep up the good work.

Ray D Sewell

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 09, 2004 10:16 PM
I bought mine a couple of days ago & I love it. I am so happy to see scale auto going back to the coverage of model cars & leaving the diecast & slot cars to other mags to cover. I have every issue from 1985 to now. I love the yearly contest annual. Keep up the good work!

Later,

Grant
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Posted by scalespeedworks on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 12:04 AM
I like 1:1 reference pics if it's something obscure or hard to find. For example, if one wanted detail chassis, brake, and engine shots for, say, the AMT Viper GTS, where do you turn? Websites? Forget it, nothing but pictures of the body from 1000 different angles. C&D, R&T, etc magazines? Sure, if you like artsy shots, headlight closeups and "LOOK, wow, a close up of the shifter knob, plus bonus full-page portrait of our test driver!" Lame. Equally as boring is yet another NASCAR vehicle without sheetmetal; doesn't every NASCAR fan have a hundred of those pictures by now? Choose carefully, and you might be on to something.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Andy Lilienthal

Just to inform you, the layout is not done by Mark G; it's done in-house.

Did anyone else find the layout difficult to follow?


I always thought it was Mark, because I've only seen it on his articles so far. I believe I've also seen it in one of his books, so I just figured it was his style. "Just because you can, doens't mean you should" is my opinion on that layout.
Ron http://www.scalespeedworks.com http://public.fotki.com/lauron/rons/model_cars/
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:44 PM
I got the latest issue and couldn't wait to see the article on the S/S cars, built by Bud Leferve, a guy I've come to know and share info with. While I was going over the article, two things struck me. One, doesn't Bud have any paint other than white <g>, and two, there are no "deatil" shots. No motors or undercar shots, and that's where Bud's models really shine. Maybe we have the basis for a second article-the difference between a Stocker and a Super Stocker....they both look about the same from the outside, but that's where the similarity stops. HOw 'bout it, got any more pics?
Doug Estabrook
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Posted by karbuildr on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:21 PM
I liked the Feb. 2004 issue as well. Although, as others have mentioned, still too much diecast. I would love to see the paint colors of the muscle car era continue though, those were fabulous and worth their weight in gold. Simply because of those articles, I've managed to obtain and use factory stock paints from one of the company's mentioned. Perhaps continue that series into other eras? Or maybe move that series into something like the Yenko or Baldwin-Motion cars? Some of those were very unique and could have special paint jobs applied. I truly enjoyed the 49 Merc article, I have 2 under way right now. I also like the idea of splitting that series up over several issues, makes me want the next one even more. Can't say the "Real Detail" was useful, again, plenty of car mags around to find what one needs. Other than that, it appears the mag is well on it's way to re-adding the "Enthusiast" part but I really would prefer it stick to plastic.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 9:21 PM
On the subject of "Real Detail" , it really doesn't hit the title on the nose. The idea i think is good, but it needs more "detail" shots. As others noted you can pick up almost any rodder or street machine mag.and see those kind of pics. I'm note sure just anyone is going to let some stranger crawl all over there ride for the shots modelers would want, but i know some racers that would glad to help.

On the subject of my "white" cars, thats just the way things turned out and what was available at the time Tim was shooting the pics.
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Posted by FIREMODELMAN on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 10:52 PM
well i'll toss my My 2 cents in here as well , love the mag, BUT........I MISS MODEL FIREHOUSEDisapproveDisapproveDisapproveDisapproveDisapprove

Dave http://public.fotki.com/FIREMODELMAN/

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:53 AM
Further up in this thread I read a critique about the white Super Stockers models by Bud LeFevre. For what it's worth, I was impressed with Bud's ability to make those models so incredibly interesting. We all think of white as the most bland of colors, but Bud's models are a real treat to see. I greatly enjoyed the article and the models featured in it.

As for the Real Detail feature. I've already voiced my displeasure with it, but what would be more constructive is to come up with suggestions for features to take it's place.

I've always thought, an article or series of articles of famous Hollywood tv/movie cars would be a fun read. Past articles on how to build the tv Batmobile and the General Lee Charger are some of my favorites. More like that would be greatly appreciated. Dioramas are another topic that I think should get more consideration. More in-depth show coverage is another idea.

I'm sure many of my fellow modelers have even more ideas of things they would like to see in the magazine as well. This forum is THE best place to let them be known!

Jim
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:50 PM
I'd like to jump on the band wagon here and agree I don't care for the 1:1 real detail section. I understand the reasons for it but, there are endless car mags for reference.
Also I understand die casts have their place, but from what i can tell on the boards the majority of us here don't care for them and don't really want them in the magazine. I remember wondering what was going on, but I've adapted.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:31 PM
I hope that my critque of the "white cars" wasn't taken the wrong way. My favorite color on a racecar is white. It just struck me a little funny that the article was laid out that way. Would anyone have noticed if, say, Mark Gutavson put five candy-apple red customs all together? Not only are white racecars my favorite, stocks and S/S's are my favorite type of car. Bud and I have had many discussions about the rights and wrongs of the drag models we've seen in the magazines over the years, and the colors usually are not talked about, but the right tires, stance, chassis mods usually end up being discussed. I just thought that the article could have had more interest for the casual builder rather than the hardcore it's-got-the-wrong-tires-on-it guys like Bud and Me. Show a close-up of the handmade fenderwell headers on the red '56 Sedan Delivery or how the motor would have been done back in the 60's when the '64 Galaxie was built, that's all...
Doug
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Posted by funman1712 on Monday, January 26, 2004 7:19 PM
On the question of detail shots of Bud's cars, yes, I did photograph several detail shots of Bud's great work. You can see one of the engine shots in the "Next Issue" ad in the prior issue of SA. (Dec. 2003, p. 73). I also took at least one or two chassis shots (Bud's chassis are just as cool as his engines!)

But to be fair to the editorial team, the photography was taken on-site at an NNL with less than perfect lighting, and with only so much space available in the mag, they apparently chose to emphasize the overall shots. The important thing is that we got three pages of door-slammer drag race models featured in SA - not to mention the honoring a very talented model builder.

- B. T. Sherwood

"Funman1712" is the board name for Scale Auto contributor Tim Boyd. 

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Posted by jhaught on Monday, January 26, 2004 11:02 PM
Yes, it was a combination of available space and some "lighting issues." When you shoot on location, this stuff can happen.

Jim Haught

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 3:23 PM
Next time we;ll make sure the conditions are better. I have a couple on the bench how that would be good subject matter.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 6:47 PM
I think that if the magazine should carry on with the Real Detail section, there should be a comparison between the real car and a model of the car. This could compare how accurate the model is to the real car.
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Posted by jhaught on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:40 AM
Part of the idea behind "Real Detail" is that it offers suggestions about kits that can be used to replicate the subject, instead of just showing a 1:1 car and saying, "Here's something you might like to build."

Based on what we've learned so far, "Real Detail" will continue, although it will be an occasional thing and not a regular section. It just happened that we wanted to run it a few times in a row to gauge reader reaction.

Jim Haught

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 12, 2004 7:54 PM
Overall I really enjoyed the issue. i pretty much agree with everyone else about real detail. Although I think its a great concept if its applied in the right way. For instance with NASCAR or any other motorsport for that matter. There are about a billion shots of the whole car but thats about it. If there were some detail shots of those item, I definately think they would be great refernce material. Whether or not that is possible im not sure. Anyway thats just my opinion.

casey

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