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Suggestion For A New Forum Section....
Posted by Daycab on Monday, September 3, 2012 7:09 AM

On behalf of the "Heavy Duty Truck Builders" that frequent this forum I would like to ask the Administration to add a new section dedicated to "Heavy Duty Commercial Trucks". Below are copied posts from a thread in the current forum between myself and another member here discussing this request. You will find the entire thread here,

http://cs.scaleautomag.com/sca/modeling_subjects/f/33/t/111024.aspx?sort=ASC&pi209=1

Viper93

To be honest I'm not even sure why I even bother coming in here to begin with. Almost every post in here (the "Truck/Commercial" vehicle) has been pick-up truck related with virtually no Commercial or Class 7/8 trucks.


I feel the same way Chad and frankly I don't really understand why we don't see more heavy trucks here. With the amount of re-issues that AMT has released and with Moebius jumping into the truck segment I would think that the interest in heavy truck models would be much greater. Perhaps the administration of this forum would be willing to give the Commercial Truck Builders there own section instead of lumping real trucks together with pick up's. I think that a seperate section for just heavy trucks would attract more attention from builders of heavy trucks to post there work here and it just might stimulate some interest in this entire forum overall. I don't have a problem with pick ups, I just feel that they do not belong in the same section with heavy trucks. How about it Scale Auto? Give us a seperate section for heavy trucks and let's see how it works out, you might just find out that there is an interest in Heavy Commercial Trucks .....

 

Viper93

My thoughts exactly Anthony!!    I think alot of the TRUE "big rig" builders are put off by the heavy presence of all the pick-up truck models in this forum section. If there was a seprate section dedicated SOLELY to the TRUE commercial and class 7/8 trucks I feel there would be a larger showing of said builders. And by "commercial" I DON'T mean police cars and vehicles of that sort... I'm talking more along the lines of municipal trucks such as local, county, and state dumptrucks, plow trucks, garbage trucks,  roadside service vehicles (tow trucks, repair trucks etc.). There are lots of really talented commercial truck builders out there including yourself Anthony.   

SO HOW ABOUT IT SCALE AUTO?  Why not give us TRUE "Commercial truck" builders our own section?  Who knows... it might just be the next best thing to sliced bread! 

Here's another thought Scale Auto?  Why not feature some of the builds that are posted here in the forums in your magazine? Give it a special column in every issue of Scale Auto. A simple 2 page spread showcasing some of the amazing builds going on here in the forums.


I don't see where adding a section for heavy commercial trucks could hurt, it would only help the entire forum. Let's hope that this gets read and the Administration takes it under consideration. It just might help with magazine sales as well and that would be a win win situation for all. There are many talented real truck builders out there and it would be great to provide them the means to showcase there work as well as exchange tips and ideas with other builders on a forum that has an established following already in place. I also like the idea of showcasing the work that gets posted here in the magazine as well. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!
 
So, How about it? ..... I would like to invite ALL forum members to add to this, especially those that build "Heavy Commercial Trucks"

Anthony

"I am not against big rigs, or any other type of model; long may they wave" JH-9/10/2012

 

 

 

 

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Posted by jhaught on Tuesday, September 4, 2012 11:07 AM

Thanks for your input. We're not looking to add sections to the Forum at this time.

Jim Haught

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Posted by Daycab on Tuesday, September 4, 2012 1:46 PM

Although I am not surprised by the response, I must say that I do find the response very disappointing. It was my sincere hope that this request could be granted. I strongly feel that the magazine and forum would benefit from such an addition. I really don't understand why SA would not be looking to add sections, the addition of any sections to this forum would help to stimulate interest in the forum as well as the magazine. It was my hope that this magazine and forum would want to promote the hobby and not control it. Your current arrangement does not give enough credit and recognition to the builders that support the hobby, this forum or this magazine. Building models is an expression of ones talents and abilities, but when you generalize the categories that this forum offers it down plays those talents and abilities. All builders have different interests and they should be allowed to explore those interests in the proper categories and not by sifting thru various posts of subject matter that is of no interest to them. Model Shows and Contests have different classes and categories, they are not a one size fits all exhibition and neither should this forum be one size fits all.

Anthony

"I am not against big rigs, or any other type of model; long may they wave" JH-9/10/2012

 

 

 

 

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Posted by MikeMc on Wednesday, September 5, 2012 4:45 PM

Anthony...I don't ever build Semis....I don't have the space...I also think YOU are dead wrong about SA.

Check out the MONTHLY column in the mag...not much talk about pickups.

That said...why don't you get the ball rolling...do a WIP on one of your big guys....you could stimulate a lot of other builders.

 

I am also puzzled...you have this huge list of problems here...with 68 posts...you might need to study the forum and the mag. No SA isn't the best forum...if you don't want it to.

As far as JH and Kalmbach...they are publishers...not model builders.

HANG UP AND DRIVE........ Mike

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Posted by jhaught on Thursday, September 6, 2012 11:27 AM

As far as JH and Kalmbach...they are publishers...not model builders.

Hate to burst your bubble here, but that's just not so. There are plenty of modelers here, including myself. I've been a modeler since the late 1950s, and we have Mike Soliday (former art director of our title), FSM's Matt Usher, Aaron Skinner, and Mark Hembree, to name a few more. Most of the staff at Model Railroader are active modelers, and several staff members from various titles race slot cars on a semiregular basis. Our Publisher, Terry Thompson, is still an active modeler, primarily in model railroading these days.

Jim Haught

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Posted by MikeMc on Thursday, September 6, 2012 7:07 PM

OK  Jim....I've read your exploits in the mag...I'm just not impressed with the effort put forth as modelers by the staff, I am also aware of the level of talent in the Milwaukee / Waukesha areas and don't see it by the staffs work.

I do love reading SA every issue and  will keep on enjoying every issue I purchase at $5.95.

HANG UP AND DRIVE........ Mike

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Posted by BigTallDad on Saturday, September 8, 2012 4:53 PM

As I see it, all of you big-rig guys got together and both of you decided there needs to be a new forum.

I like Mike's suggestion...show off your work and see if it sparks interest.

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Posted by Viper93 on Sunday, September 9, 2012 1:44 PM

jhaught
Thanks for your input. We're not looking to add sections to the Forum at this time.

Well that's rather disappointing to hear Jim. I would have thought that SA would be more open to adding a new section to the forum than this.

  It's amazing that you can dedicate 5 COLUMNS to CARS and yet only 1 to truck/commercial builds.  Have you even taken the time to look at the truck/commercial column lately? For that matter have you EVER looked at that column?   The TRUE Big Rig and Commercial builders are leaving (or simply not even showing up) because the pick-up truck guys are ruining it for the rest of us. Why should we have to skim thru 20+ posts about pick-ups just to find a post about a big rig or heavy commercial build? 

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Posted by Viper93 on Sunday, September 9, 2012 1:48 PM

MikeMc
I don't ever build Semis....I don't have the space...

OK so you don't have the space... Just because you dont' build'em due to lack of space doesn't mean you can't support us!  While I don't build cars I still support the car builders.

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Posted by Viper93 on Sunday, September 9, 2012 2:03 PM

BigTallDad
As I see it, all of you big-rig guys got together and both of you decided there needs to be a new forum.

Wow, Talk about IGNORANCE! To ASSUME that there is only 2 of us big truck builders is just plain stupid.  Daycab and I just happened to be the ones who chose to stand up and voice our thoughts and opinions. Sadly they fell on DEAF ears.   

FYI,    We are not asking for a new forum merely a SEPERATE COLUMN away from the pick-up trucks and police car model builds/builders. There are lots of talented Semi truck builders out there that would be more willing to show off their work on the SA forums if they didn't have to skim thru 20+ posts about pick-ups just to find the big rig posts.  It amazes me that they have 5 columns for the cars guys (broken down into seperates classes (Muscle Cars, HotRods/Street Rods Street Machines, Racecars/ Sports cars, Tuners/ LowRiders, and Factory Stock)) but  only ONE for the Truck/Commercial builders!  

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Posted by Viper93 on Sunday, September 9, 2012 2:11 PM

MikeMc
Check out the MONTHLY column in the mag...not much talk about pickups.

As far as the "MONTHLY" column goes... when it does get published (and I can tell you it s NOT in EVERY ISSUE) it is merely a REVIEW of kits that have been recently reissued or are about to be released back into the market. And even then it is only written by a couple builders who do BOX STOCK reviews of those kits! 

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Posted by dragfreak on Sunday, September 9, 2012 2:34 PM

Viper93

 

There are lots of talented Semi truck builders out there that would be more willing to show off their work on the SA forums if they didn't have to skim thru 20+ posts about pick-ups just to find the big rig posts. 

I think there is alot of builders have to look through a section to find what they want see, for example the Racecars/sportscars section, im not a big fan of nascar or indy car or any other racing besides drag racing, i would like to have a section for drag cars only but its not that big of a deal to scroll down the page to find the stuff i want to see.

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Posted by Daycab on Sunday, September 9, 2012 4:02 PM

Viper93

MikeMc
Check out the MONTHLY column in the mag...not much talk about pickups.

As far as the "MONTHLY" column goes... when it does get published (and I can tell you it s NOT in EVERY ISSUE) it is merely a REVIEW of kits that have been recently reissued or are about to be released back into the market. And even then it is only written by a couple builders who do BOX STOCK reviews of those kits! 

If the "MONTHLY" column was still in the magazine every month then I would have re-newed my subscription 2 years ago.

Anthony

"I am not against big rigs, or any other type of model; long may they wave" JH-9/10/2012

 

 

 

 

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Posted by MikeMc on Sunday, September 9, 2012 4:35 PM

Viper93

MikeMc
I don't ever build Semis....I don't have the space...

OK so you don't have the space... Just because you dont' build'em due to lack of space doesn't mean you can't support us!  While I don't build cars I still support the car builders.

Gee whiz...I do! You forgot the full quote from me in the above post...see the third sentence in my post...here it is for you:

Anthony...I don't ever build Semis....I don't have the space...I also think YOU are dead wrong about SA.

Check out the MONTHLY column in the mag...not much talk about pickups.

That said...why don't you get the ball rolling...do a WIP on one of your big guys....you could stimulate a lot of other builders.

HANG UP AND DRIVE........ Mike

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Posted by BigTallDad on Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:48 PM

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Posted by jhaught on Monday, September 10, 2012 8:14 AM

OK, enough is enough, all the way around. This sniping, at us and each other, is not productive.

We have long stated that our goal is to have fewer sections in the Forum, not more. And I do believe that the way the sections are populated now is fairly well in line with the number of people who build each type of model.

I am not against big rigs, or any other type of model; long may they wave. But if we use the shows as a guideline, the fact is that the big trucks are built by a small percentage of the entrants. Those who do build them are dedicated, no doubt; but many shows have 2-3 big rigs, compared to hundreds of other cars, trucks, and bikes. It's rare to see more than a half-dozen of those models at a show. So I don't feel our coverage/space allotment is out of line.

Jim Haught

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