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TV/Movie Car VI CBP 'Modeler Salvation' Ended 02/01/2011

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Posted by Cycolac Fan on Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:27 PM

 There's been some great work going on here, sadly I haven't been a part of it! Various things have meant I'm in a bit of a modelling slump with the Rockford Firebird, there's been little progress.

I started with a 1977 body that I'd cut the front fender vents out of for another project, after filling the holes I realised the body is now incredibly weak so I've superglued in some strengthening plates


 

The front end is a resin piece master off a 1976 kit, it fits the MPC body about as well as it would fit a 1976 Mack truck, or a submarine ie appalling badly. The fit of the resin hood is equally appalling, it's about 4mm thick but I need to use it as the vents that go in front of the screen are correct.

The final straw was spotting this '75 Firebird at a car show and realising I'll need to scratchbuild new bumpers and a new rear roll pan to match the Rockford car

Well frankly my heart's not in it at the moment. I've had a long think and, with our director's permission, I want to put this model on hold and start on something more simple, or at least that's constructed solely out of plastic.Resin's horrible stuff and, anyway, I did an early Trans Am on the last build.

I'm quite embarrassed about this because I have been one of the ones constantly hassling MrMike to start up the CBP again but if I keep plugging away at this piece of Censored Firebird I'll never get it done and it will end up taking a dive out of the window.

New project proposal to be announced fairly soon - if that's okay?

Thanks, Mike

 

Mike "Good hands, bad taste in cars." Yes I'm a grown up 'playing' with toys but a lot of adults my age drink beer or play computer games - and I've got something to show for the time and money I've spent...
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Posted by Cycolac Fan on Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:36 PM

 Ok, here's the new plan, subject to approval (and me finding out which box I've put the kit I'll be using in to)

The 1970 Camaro from the Gumball Rally

It'll be based on the recent AMT kit, which I have... somewhere. Smile

Mike "Good hands, bad taste in cars." Yes I'm a grown up 'playing' with toys but a lot of adults my age drink beer or play computer games - and I've got something to show for the time and money I've spent...
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Posted by spencer1984 on Wednesday, September 29, 2010 8:33 PM
The Mustang is looking good, nice work! Mike, I'm sorry to hear that your Rockford car has been such a pain. Maybe there's just something about Jim's cars that don't want to be built?
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Posted by Cycolac Fan on Thursday, September 30, 2010 7:03 AM

 There's a few factors involved spencer, I don't have as much free time as I used to, work keeps me busier and a couple of health issues just mean I don't want to be trying to fix something that's wrong to start with before I can even begin modifying.

As I say I'm in a bit of a slump, although I did throw together a SnapTite Revell hot rod last night and that was fun. The Firebird just isn't fun at the moment.

Right, time for me to quit moaning and build something!

Mike "Good hands, bad taste in cars." Yes I'm a grown up 'playing' with toys but a lot of adults my age drink beer or play computer games - and I've got something to show for the time and money I've spent...
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Posted by mrmike on Thursday, September 30, 2010 3:33 PM

Mike, one of the main reasons for being here is to have fun!  I'm sorry to hear that your Rockford Files Firebird will not be.  Considering what you went through with the Due South Buick Rivera during the Model Royale CBP, I thought that this would be a piece of cake build.  But, when things don't fit, get a big hammer and smash it!  I do approve of the Camaro from The Gumball Rally and, I do hope that you have another backup plan in case you cannot find that Camaro kit.  Your choices are running out! ShockBig Smile

More progress on Spenser's Mustang.  The front suspension is on, the disc brakes are in the purple pond, and the rear drums are mounted on the rear axle.

The wheels and tires are ready to be mounted.

The interior floor has been painted flat black and is ready to be flocked.

More to come.....

"That's Spenser with an 'S' like the poet."

Robert Urich Spenser For Hire 1985

On my bench-'67 Foose Dodge Coronet; 1969 Ford Mustang Boss 302

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Posted by spencer1984 on Thursday, September 30, 2010 8:31 PM
I must admit to mixed feelings about spoked wheels on American muscle/pony cars...but the more photos I see of these, the more interested I am in seeing the finished product.
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Posted by Dvdicvs on Thursday, September 30, 2010 11:35 PM

  Hi everyone, my apologies for being awol. Been a little busy lately. As you could see from my last post the plate for the motor had a bunch of pin marks to be filled in. I've also noticed that hobby putty has a tendency shrink and it makes for a lot of work. So I went and got some two part polyester non shrink putty for future body jobs. I have decided to use Tamiya Gunship Gray for the carpeted areas in the back and inside the car. I've also started to detail the engine. It is going to take 2 or 3 coats of red to do the valve covers, then I'll start to do the aluminum block after. More to come.

Mark

P.S. Thanks to Scale Auto and Bob Downie for the Silly Putty tips. It might make doing these kits that have plates instead of full motors a little easier to do. 

On the Bench: 76 Mustang Cobra II,  99 Ford F150 Lightning, 68 Mustang GT

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Posted by rickr442 on Friday, October 01, 2010 2:38 PM

Care for a suggestion from a far distant 'Technical Advisor'?

Stephen J Cannell, the most prolific writer/Producer ever (save for Aaron Spelling), passed away last night (Sept. 30). Seeing that this group has great respect for Rockford and other of his product, how about a closing screen credit dedicating this work to his memory?

Man practically INVENTED the 'pipe ramp crash' and his shows certainly contributed to the shortage of late-70s Dodge and GM sheetmetal in Southern California.

It'd be a nice 'tip of the hat' to the originator of countless licensed TV hero car model kits.

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'Peggy, call the insurance agent... The cars got some bullet holes!'..... Joe Mannix

Yeah, but half an inch to the right, he woulda missed me altogether!'.....Jim Rockford

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Posted by mrmike on Friday, October 01, 2010 8:57 PM

Rick, I am sadden by the lost of another great writer (television, movie, books) to the great reader in the sky.  It would be my pleasure to include Mr. Cannell in the closing credits.  I ask everyone for a moment of silence, please.  

OK, everyone back to work!  Next scene!  Lights, camera, ACTION

"That's Spenser with an 'S' like the poet."

Robert Urich Spenser For Hire 1985

On my bench-'67 Foose Dodge Coronet; 1969 Ford Mustang Boss 302

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Posted by Cycolac Fan on Saturday, October 02, 2010 6:23 PM

 Very sad to hear news of Stephen J Cannell, I've been a fan of his work since I was about 5 years old.

RIP

Mike "Good hands, bad taste in cars." Yes I'm a grown up 'playing' with toys but a lot of adults my age drink beer or play computer games - and I've got something to show for the time and money I've spent...
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Posted by spencer1984 on Sunday, October 03, 2010 9:38 PM

 I made some pretty good progress on the interior today - other than the shift lever and some paint touch-ups, I think the bucket is pretty much done:

 

 

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Posted by Dvdicvs on Sunday, October 03, 2010 11:58 PM

  Hey Spenser1984 nice work on the interior, looks great. I have done a little more detailing in the engine bay today, and have filled the gaps in the chassis. More to come.

Mark

 

On the Bench: 76 Mustang Cobra II,  99 Ford F150 Lightning, 68 Mustang GT

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Posted by rickr442 on Monday, October 04, 2010 1:20 AM
DeLaunhardt:... The KR2000 car wasn't a Banshee, it did look like one. Pontiac offered the car for the film but there were problems... There was only one of the cars, it was so small that David Hasselhoff, all 6'4" of him, couldn't fit in the car, the prototype engine wouldn't hold up to the rough use of the film crew and film use, so a substitute was created. Jay Ohrberg, who had done the cars for season 4 of the series, built a couple of cars that copied the appearance but was far more workable. A pair of Dodge Stealth coupes were bought and modified. The ends of the bodies and working parts, lights, bumpers and all were removed and giant blocks of dense foam were attached to the ends of the car. The foam was then carved to shape and detailed then used to make a female mold for the new fiberglass body sections. I did product placement at the time, arranged the use of the custom Budnik billet wheels, though the wheels were just 15" and looked like roller skate wheels. The KITT kit got it right by making them 17s, and the same wheels made a later appearance in the '90s AMT F150 kits. The KR2k kit is a rebodied Stealth promo kit. It worked well Hasslehoff didn't need one car for each foot, and the show had a serious working vehicle that could be fixed if needed. Amend that... almost everyone was happy. When the show first ran Pontiac called GM legal to file a cease and desist against the new KITT for design infringement; Has anyone thought of modeling the turquoise '57 Bel Air hardtop that was the interim KITT?

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'Peggy, call the insurance agent... The cars got some bullet holes!'..... Joe Mannix

Yeah, but half an inch to the right, he woulda missed me altogether!'.....Jim Rockford

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Posted by spencer1984 on Monday, October 04, 2010 5:30 AM

Nice work on that engine, Mike.  Did you use multiple colors for the "silver" components, or is it just the lighting in the photos?  Either way, you got a lot more depth out of that than that shallow pan warrants.

rickr442
Has anyone thought of modeling the turquoise '57 Bel Air hardtop that was the interim KITT?

 

Yes, but I kind of shelved it in the hope that I could find out more information about the interior setup (if there even was one).  The movie makes jump cuts between wide shots of the actors and extreme close-ups of KITT's vocoder, so there's no way of telling how much of KITT's old interior was installed in the Chevy or where those components were located.  I can't tell if they even bothered installing anything, or if the close-ups were filmed against a stand-alone prop.

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Posted by rickr442 on Monday, October 04, 2010 10:07 AM
I don't think they did install anything, the cars were quickies built on location in Texas. Three were built including one rear-cutaway that had the body removed just behind the front door and I rem,ember Jay saying the one that went into the water was the nicest one. The Knight Rider dash displays were built onto cafeteria tables, somewhat larger than the interior of an F-body... and it changed several times through the four year run of the series.

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'Peggy, call the insurance agent... The cars got some bullet holes!'..... Joe Mannix

Yeah, but half an inch to the right, he woulda missed me altogether!'.....Jim Rockford

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Posted by Dvdicvs on Monday, October 04, 2010 10:29 AM

  Hi Spenser, I'll assume you were talking about me (Mark not Mike). I did use 2 metalizers in the engine bay. One was a Humbrol Metal Cote #27002, the other was Testor Steel in the 1/4 oz bottle. The engine block area and the throtle bodies were done in the Humbol. I used The Detailer black wash on the throtle bodies to highlight details, and to slightly alter the look so they would stand out a little. I used the Testors Steel on the rear differential for the same reason. It is the only way to make this car look more detailed than it really is. Thanks for looking.

Mark 

On the Bench: 76 Mustang Cobra II,  99 Ford F150 Lightning, 68 Mustang GT

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Posted by spencer1984 on Monday, October 04, 2010 2:32 PM

 Sorry, Mark - I apparently got my wires crossed there for a minute.  The different colors are a nice touch, the subtle difference is enough to make it look 100x better.

Thanks for the info on KITT, it's good to know that - if nothing else - I wasn't missing any major reveal.  Maybe I'll dust this off and get to work on it once I get the bench clear.  I'll just make up my own interior details.

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Posted by mrmike on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 1:06 PM

I vaguely (and I do mean vaguely) remember some sort of interface for KITT on the interior of the '57 Chevy.  Some sort of flashing light module for KITT to talk from mounted under the dash.  I took a look on the IMCDB, but I couldn't find anything definitive. 

The chassis is getting there.  I still have to flock the interior floor and mount the engine when that's complete.

The motor is being assembled.  New stock valve covers installed, distributor and coil mounted and awaiting wire installation.

Foiling has started.

More to come.....

"That's Spenser with an 'S' like the poet."

Robert Urich Spenser For Hire 1985

On my bench-'67 Foose Dodge Coronet; 1969 Ford Mustang Boss 302

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Posted by mrmike on Wednesday, October 06, 2010 3:37 PM

More progress!  Foiling is complete along with windows and some chrome.

The interior has been detailed and awaiting installation.

More to come.....

"That's Spenser with an 'S' like the poet."

Robert Urich Spenser For Hire 1985

On my bench-'67 Foose Dodge Coronet; 1969 Ford Mustang Boss 302

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Posted by spencer1984 on Thursday, October 07, 2010 6:41 AM

 That Mustang's a real beauty, I'm always in awe of your paint jobs.  Looking forward to seeing more of it!

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Posted by mrmike on Thursday, October 07, 2010 5:59 PM

Thanks Spencer!  I hope I won't disappoint you all!  I've been giving some thought as to my next roll for this production.  I built the Joe Mannix '68 Dodge Dart GTS Convertible for a previous TV/Movie Car production and I recently found pictures of a restored 1:1 Mannix Dart on-line.  I need to rebuild my Dart to a more accurate version.  Now, if can find a new Dart GTS hood, I can get started. 

"That's Spenser with an 'S' like the poet."

Robert Urich Spenser For Hire 1985

On my bench-'67 Foose Dodge Coronet; 1969 Ford Mustang Boss 302

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Posted by rickr442 on Friday, October 08, 2010 2:39 AM
So, Mike, there IS a lip spoiler on the trunk, isn't there? And when I do mine the underhood will be red, like shown when the villain opened the hood to sabotage it! Ol' Joe shouldn't'a got that Nascar pit crew mad at him! The car you mention came from out here, and while it was nice when I saw it, the current owner improved it a lot. It's the only '68, but the '69 is in pieces north of LA. There were two '68s built at Barris' and when a stuntman killed one of 'em, a '69 was used to replace it. The '69 used Cragar GT wheels instead of Raders.

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'Peggy, call the insurance agent... The cars got some bullet holes!'..... Joe Mannix

Yeah, but half an inch to the right, he woulda missed me altogether!'.....Jim Rockford

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Posted by mrmike on Friday, October 08, 2010 5:53 AM

Yes Rick, there is a trunk lid spoiler and I have one in my parts box that will fit with very little modification.  I seem to recall having this discussing during one of the other TV/MC CBP's when I built that model. Wink  I have been scouring the web for pictures and have found a few and a couple of articles on the car, too.  Some details I am going to look the other way on like the Barris logos on the front fenders and the motor.  I do happen to have a set of Radir wheels in my parts box that might look good on the car, but I do love Cragar SS mags and I may leave those on the car instead.  I even have a telephone handset that I can use with a scratch-built mobile telephone base. 

I need to find out more on the color of the Dart.  From what I have seen, the shade of green is not quite a Chrysler color, but that can also depend on the lighting used during photo shoots.  Rick , do you know anything about the color other than the red under the hood? Confused

"That's Spenser with an 'S' like the poet."

Robert Urich Spenser For Hire 1985

On my bench-'67 Foose Dodge Coronet; 1969 Ford Mustang Boss 302

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Posted by rickr442 on Friday, October 08, 2010 10:17 AM
I have the dvd set of season 2, and the color seems to be a non-metallic green, maybe what Barris had laying around the shop, and is not very complimentary to the car IMO. The guy who owned it had used a Chrysler dark metallic green that looked decent, so I'm just using a Duplicolor metallic green over black primer. Barris' painter told me the dark green was a last minute decision, due to the instant success of the Bullitt Mustang. But for that perhaps the car would have stayed red??? The spoiler is a neat piece, molded in to the rear corners as well as the trunklid. The top edge is straight while the bottom follows the contour of the upper thunk molding. The top edge of the spoiler is only about three inches taller than the rear deck, very subtle. The new Hemi Dart should provide the blanked section between the taillights. For Rader mags, look at the Fireball 500 kit.. They are also quite similar to Pontiac GTO Judge wheels.

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'Peggy, call the insurance agent... The cars got some bullet holes!'..... Joe Mannix

Yeah, but half an inch to the right, he woulda missed me altogether!'.....Jim Rockford

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Posted by 40leo on Sunday, October 10, 2010 5:24 AM

 It has been awhile since I have checked out the forum, but I was looking around and saw this thread and the mention of the Corvette from the Stingray tv show.  I have been collecting Corvette kits, and have that kit you are talking about in my collection.  I scanned the boxtop and side panel, thought you might be interested in seeing them.  They show photos of the actual car, and as you can see from the pictures, the rims are slightly different than what is shown in the kit, and along with the bumpers being blacked out the trim around the windows was also.  Hope this helps you out.

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Posted by mrmike on Sunday, October 10, 2010 7:02 AM

40leo, thank you for your post!  I knew that I wasn't imagining this kit!  That is the kit i bought oh so many, many years ago and I still have that model on the shelf.  Again, thank you! 

"That's Spenser with an 'S' like the poet."

Robert Urich Spenser For Hire 1985

On my bench-'67 Foose Dodge Coronet; 1969 Ford Mustang Boss 302

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Posted by spencer1984 on Sunday, October 10, 2010 9:47 PM

Thanks for the scan 40leo!  I was away for the weekend at NY Comic Con, but am ready to get back to work on the Stingray Corvette right away.

I'll be very interested in seeing the Dodge.  I was recently able to pick up a compete and unstarted Mannix Toronado, so I may try building that once I finish with the Corvette.

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Posted by rickr442 on Monday, October 11, 2010 5:48 AM
The Toronado's an interesting car in that it didn't show up in the series until the third or forth episode... Til then Joe was driving Mercury Cyclone Convertibles, '66 and ''67. When the Toro first appeared it was silver with black on the lower half of the body not red as shown on the box art. Though it did look good it was a bit obvious in its style, maybe a tad over-done. Mike Connors comments on the car in the dvd set of the first season, describes it as 'out-of-balance'. I still think the Darts were his coolest cars, then the '70 Cuda 'vert, but that's just me..

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'Peggy, call the insurance agent... The cars got some bullet holes!'..... Joe Mannix

Yeah, but half an inch to the right, he woulda missed me altogether!'.....Jim Rockford

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Posted by spencer1984 on Monday, October 11, 2010 6:30 AM
I agree.  This is one of those cars that I "like" in the sense of it being an interesting design study and a unique concept rather than it being something that I would want to drive.
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Posted by carcrazy81 on Monday, October 11, 2010 1:59 PM

Mike- Im sorry it took so long to respond back it took that long to scrape up two junkers from my junk pile to rebuild.

Heres what i started with before deconstruction.

Heres what it looks like all stripped down and ready for restoration.

Im looking to replicate the Mustang from the movie "Cannonball"

 

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