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Where can I find these wheels for the Mongrel-T?

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Where can I find these wheels for the Mongrel-T?
Posted by 195X on Tuesday, June 13, 2017 11:19 AM

I'll need both fronts and rears. Sources? Names of the wheels?

 

My favorite color is clear. I am also ambidexterous, I can screw up equally well with either hand. I am 53 years old and been building for most of that time. :)

On the bench... somewhere. Pink Panther show car, 1978 Dodge Magnum Charger Daytona Midnight edition SE 300. Mongrel T.

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Posted by Racer H on Tuesday, June 13, 2017 10:48 PM
In the past, I have researched the “Mongrel T” and the only wheel information I have ever gleaned always states the same: it has custom wheels. Okay, that’s cool, but not much information! So, let’s evaluate the time frame when the real car was constructed.
Circa 1965/66, George Barris created two movie vehicles: the “ZZR” for Universal Studio’s 1966 spoof spy movie “Out of Sight” and the “Mongrel T” for the 1967 Elvis flick “Easy Come, Easy Go.” The “ZZR” has Radar Star Spoke wheels in the front and Radar Power Thrust Wheels in the rear …and these are very similar and/or just-like the wheels on the “Mongrel T” in terms of design, air valve location, and spoke/lug nut configuration.
As such, I am confident the wheels used on the “Mongrel T” are Radar Wheels Star Spoke (front) and Power Thrust (rear). The front wheels on the “ZZR” are chrome plated with a tri-bar knock-off style hub cover (which attached with screws). The front wheels on the “Mongrel T” have a shiny rim (either chrome-plated or polished) with a satin or a brushed wheel center (i.e. spider) and spokes. Additionally, to further support the Radar Wheel assumption, the front wheels on the “Mongrel T” has three screws to attach a hub cover. It should be noted, the spokes on the front wheels of the “Mongrel T” are covered with a wood-grain vinyl in an attempt to give the wheels the appearance of wooden spokes. Finally, a painted circular disc is mounted between the front wheels and brake drums … and the front wheels are a narrow 6-inches wide to accommodate a 6-inch wide General Tire.
The “Mongrel T’s” rear wheels are somewhat deep-dish with a 5-spoke configuration similar to Radar Power Thrust wheels. Again, like the front wheels, the rim is shiny and wheel center and spokes are satin or brushed in appearance. Photo references would be required to duplicate the hub cover, which seems to be a bullet shaped.

 

In terms of scale modeling … the “ZZR” was available in a 1/25 scale AMT kit. The rear wheels and tires would be ideal for the “Mongrel T/Joker-Mobile.” However, the kit’s scale Radar Star Spoke front wheels would be too wide as (like the real “ZZR”) they scale-out 11-inches wide. Ultimately, if I were building the “Mongrel T” I would use the Radar look-a-like wheels and tires from the classic “Badman” kit, a 1/24scale Monogram offering designed by Tom Daniel.
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Posted by 195X on Wednesday, June 14, 2017 1:21 PM

Thank you for the information. A little confusion persists tho... I have heard of RADER wheels, never heard of Radar before. Is it possible you misspelled?

My favorite color is clear. I am also ambidexterous, I can screw up equally well with either hand. I am 53 years old and been building for most of that time. :)

On the bench... somewhere. Pink Panther show car, 1978 Dodge Magnum Charger Daytona Midnight edition SE 300. Mongrel T.

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Posted by Racer H on Wednesday, June 14, 2017 5:08 PM
This is one of those unique situations where you and I are both correct. The Rader Wheel Company was formed in the early ‘60’s by Mr. Richard Rader. The classic Rader wheel look is credited to Mr. Rader who became associated with legendary racer and speed merchant Mickey Thompson. Rader Wheels were manufactured under the auspicious of the Wheel Corporation of America. The design of five spoke Rader Wheels was copied by other manufacturers.
 
 
One such wheel manufacturer … who was “inspired” by Rader’s design … was Southern California’s Trans American Products -- who had the audacity to call their product line Radar Wheels. In researching, the above mentioned “ZZR” the wheels are Radar. In fact … relating to the “ZZR” … I have seen the wheels referred to as Radar Trans Americans.

 By the way, the George Barris “Batmobile” from the TV series has genuine Rader Wheels (of course, with custom bat insignia hub covers). Finally, I will be the first to admit I misspell more than my fair share of words.

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Posted by 195X on Thursday, June 15, 2017 4:23 PM

That makes more sense. I looked up radar wheels and we're definitely on the right track. Now if there were just another source for them. The zzr kits are expensive!

My favorite color is clear. I am also ambidexterous, I can screw up equally well with either hand. I am 53 years old and been building for most of that time. :)

On the bench... somewhere. Pink Panther show car, 1978 Dodge Magnum Charger Daytona Midnight edition SE 300. Mongrel T.

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Posted by 195X on Thursday, June 15, 2017 7:30 PM

Okay, I'm just hating google right now! There's precious little of the ZZR to start, not that is big enough to get much details from. Then you google "Radar wheels" and 75% of what comes up are RADER's. SO, I will find suitable similars and modify them from there. 

My favorite color is clear. I am also ambidexterous, I can screw up equally well with either hand. I am 53 years old and been building for most of that time. :)

On the bench... somewhere. Pink Panther show car, 1978 Dodge Magnum Charger Daytona Midnight edition SE 300. Mongrel T.

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Posted by 195X on Saturday, June 24, 2017 5:46 PM

I've been looking about, using some lousy reference pictures and my bad eyesight. I have the Tom Daniel Street Fighter kit. Are the wheels in this kit close to the rears on the mongrel? (I'll post a pic if needed)

EDIT: Never mind. I popped in the dvd with that episode of Batman and got a good look. NOT the same wheels. :(

My favorite color is clear. I am also ambidexterous, I can screw up equally well with either hand. I am 53 years old and been building for most of that time. :)

On the bench... somewhere. Pink Panther show car, 1978 Dodge Magnum Charger Daytona Midnight edition SE 300. Mongrel T.

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Posted by 195X on Saturday, June 24, 2017 11:55 PM

How about these for the rears?

 

Or these?

 

 

My favorite color is clear. I am also ambidexterous, I can screw up equally well with either hand. I am 53 years old and been building for most of that time. :)

On the bench... somewhere. Pink Panther show car, 1978 Dodge Magnum Charger Daytona Midnight edition SE 300. Mongrel T.

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Posted by spencer1984 on Sunday, June 25, 2017 1:18 PM

If it helps at all, these are the wheels that came in the ZZR kit:

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Posted by 195X on Sunday, June 25, 2017 1:57 PM

spencer1984

If it helps at all, these are the wheels that came in the ZZR kit:

 

That helps a bunch! Those fronts are the ones I need! Now if I can just score a set without having to lay out for the whole kit. I looked on ebait, and those things go for big bucks I don't have. If you or anyone else has a spare set please message me. Now all I have to do is figure out the rear wheels. Thanks buddy!

My favorite color is clear. I am also ambidexterous, I can screw up equally well with either hand. I am 53 years old and been building for most of that time. :)

On the bench... somewhere. Pink Panther show car, 1978 Dodge Magnum Charger Daytona Midnight edition SE 300. Mongrel T.

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Posted by spencer1984 on Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:05 PM

You're welcome! Heads up if you do find a set: they're small. Like, I've seen them I-don't-know-how-many times and I'm still surprised by how small they are.  Here is Revell's current Oldsmobile for comparison:

For the rear wheels, you may be able to use the ones in the '66 TV Batmobile kit. Barris loved those wheels, and stuck them on anything and everything:

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Posted by 195X on Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:17 PM

Size matters not... as long as they are correct. The wheels in the Batmobile kit are far from correct for RADER's. Judging from some freeze frames on my blu-ray set, they are not right for this car, but thank you for the suggestion. I honestly thought I'd get more response to this thread.

My favorite color is clear. I am also ambidexterous, I can screw up equally well with either hand. I am 53 years old and been building for most of that time. :)

On the bench... somewhere. Pink Panther show car, 1978 Dodge Magnum Charger Daytona Midnight edition SE 300. Mongrel T.

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Posted by spencer1984 on Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:39 PM

Looking back at your original photo, you're right. The Batmobile wheels match the ZZR kit and are right for what they are, but they don't look like what's in the pic. Those do look familiar, though...

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Posted by 195X on Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:43 PM

spencer1984

" The Batmobile wheels match the ZZR kit and are right for what they are"

 

I'm sorry bruv, but you've confused me with that last one???

My favorite color is clear. I am also ambidexterous, I can screw up equally well with either hand. I am 53 years old and been building for most of that time. :)

On the bench... somewhere. Pink Panther show car, 1978 Dodge Magnum Charger Daytona Midnight edition SE 300. Mongrel T.

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Posted by spencer1984 on Sunday, June 25, 2017 9:08 PM
Sorry, I meant that the Polar Lights Batmobile and ZZR (rear) wheels are near-identical to each other, and while they're both correct for their respective cars, they're wrong for the Mongrel-T. Brain fart on my end when I made the suggestion
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Posted by 195X on Sunday, June 25, 2017 9:20 PM

Okay, I get it now. If you want some correct RADERS for your Batmobiles use the ones in the Fireball 500 kit. ;)

My favorite color is clear. I am also ambidexterous, I can screw up equally well with either hand. I am 53 years old and been building for most of that time. :)

On the bench... somewhere. Pink Panther show car, 1978 Dodge Magnum Charger Daytona Midnight edition SE 300. Mongrel T.

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Posted by spencer1984 on Sunday, June 25, 2017 9:32 PM

Cool

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Posted by 195X on Sunday, June 25, 2017 9:35 PM

NICE! Did you shorten the windows on the 500? I remember them going all the way back to the bulkhead area?

My favorite color is clear. I am also ambidexterous, I can screw up equally well with either hand. I am 53 years old and been building for most of that time. :)

On the bench... somewhere. Pink Panther show car, 1978 Dodge Magnum Charger Daytona Midnight edition SE 300. Mongrel T.

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Posted by spencer1984 on Monday, June 26, 2017 5:33 AM
Thanks! Yes, I tried to make this "movie accurate" with the shorter windows, simpler side graphics, and multi-fade paint. The paint isn't quite right, but I still kind of like the way it turned out
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Posted by 195X on Monday, June 26, 2017 9:10 PM

It's been years since I've seen that one. I hold it right up there with the beach party movies. Kinda wish TCM would run them more often.

"I like you.. and when Eric Von Zipper likes somebody.. they stay liked!"

Oddly enough though.. I've never seen "Outta Sight" or whatever film the Mongrel was in. (Can't stand Elvis) 

My favorite color is clear. I am also ambidexterous, I can screw up equally well with either hand. I am 53 years old and been building for most of that time. :)

On the bench... somewhere. Pink Panther show car, 1978 Dodge Magnum Charger Daytona Midnight edition SE 300. Mongrel T.

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Posted by 195X on Monday, June 26, 2017 9:29 PM

I have to ask... do you have a zzr kit you would consider trading or possibly an extra set of wheels? I found one glue bomb on ebay and of course... no wheels!

My favorite color is clear. I am also ambidexterous, I can screw up equally well with either hand. I am 53 years old and been building for most of that time. :)

On the bench... somewhere. Pink Panther show car, 1978 Dodge Magnum Charger Daytona Midnight edition SE 300. Mongrel T.

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Posted by spencer1984 on Monday, June 26, 2017 10:07 PM
I'd be happy to let somebody recast the wheels, but it took a long time to track one down that didn't require a second mortgage so I'd rather not part it out
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Posted by 195X on Monday, June 26, 2017 10:26 PM

spencer1984
I'd be happy to let somebody recast the wheels, but it took a long time to track one down that didn't require a second mortgage so I'd rather not part it out
 

I just got into casting recently and wouldn't want you to remove them from the tree just for that. I'll find a set eventually.

Thank you for considering it though.

My favorite color is clear. I am also ambidexterous, I can screw up equally well with either hand. I am 53 years old and been building for most of that time. :)

On the bench... somewhere. Pink Panther show car, 1978 Dodge Magnum Charger Daytona Midnight edition SE 300. Mongrel T.

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Posted by 195X on Wednesday, June 28, 2017 7:38 PM

I've just downloaded "Out of sight" and I'm hooked. Spencer, you seem pretty knowledgeable about the ZZR, is there anything you can tell me about the other cars in the film? Primarily what looks to be a custom T-bird. (It's not a very clean download, I may have to look for the dvd)

My favorite color is clear. I am also ambidexterous, I can screw up equally well with either hand. I am 53 years old and been building for most of that time. :)

On the bench... somewhere. Pink Panther show car, 1978 Dodge Magnum Charger Daytona Midnight edition SE 300. Mongrel T.

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  • From: Upstate New York
Posted by spencer1984 on Friday, June 30, 2017 9:23 AM

Finding any real information about any of these cars is difficult. I don't know if it's because they were never documented, or if the documentation was just gone/forgotten. A lot of these cool cars we look at now were just quick projects to be banged out and dismissed as new jobs showed up. A few years ago I spoke to Dean Jeffries about his work on the TV series' Batmobile before Barris was hired, and he indicated that there may be pictures or drawings of what had been done, but they were buried in a stack somewhere or tossed out altogether. Just another job that was picked up and then dropped when the timetable changed. Sad

Is the T-Bird you're talking about the one we see right at the beginning, with the funky hood and grille?

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Posted by 195X on Friday, June 30, 2017 11:13 AM

Yes, that car is in the opening scenes and caught my eye as much as the ZZR and the cycle with sidecar.

I get what you're saying. Even a car as popular as the focus of this thread (Mongrel) has precious little in the way of vintage photos or information. But like a dog with a bone, that just makes me dig harder. :)

My favorite color is clear. I am also ambidexterous, I can screw up equally well with either hand. I am 53 years old and been building for most of that time. :)

On the bench... somewhere. Pink Panther show car, 1978 Dodge Magnum Charger Daytona Midnight edition SE 300. Mongrel T.

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