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Looking for stock 351c 1/25 motor; Any one have a 73 Cougar motor?

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Looking for stock 351c 1/25 motor; Any one have a 73 Cougar motor?
Posted by vince311 on Wednesday, March 08, 2017 11:11 PM

I'm building a Stock 70 Torino. Stock 400 would work, as the valve covers are the same. I do have a good air cleaner.

1973 Mecury Cougar kit has the right engine.

I've heard the Revell '70 Mach 1 Mustang came with an optional 351C, but not sure if the valve covers are the stamped steel or something else.

Late 70s Ford van motor might work.

 Stock 351c

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Posted by Bainford on Thursday, March 09, 2017 8:41 AM

Unfortunately there has never been a good 351c made in 1/25 scale. Many kits have this engine but they are generally inaccurate lumps of plastic in older kits (and several kits that claim to have a Cleveland or Boss 351 are actually a Windsor based blob). The Monogram/Revell 70 Mustang Mach 1 in 1/24 scale has a very nice 351c except the valve covers do not have the 'Power by Ford' script. Possibly the best option in 1/25 scale is the MPC 73 Cougar.

The 302 you mentioned is a very different engine than the Cleveland, except that the Boss 302 had Cleveland heads. The 302 is a Windsor engine and they are very different in the timing chain/water pump/thermostat housing area, and the cylinder heads are visually different, too (except the Boss 302 heads). The 302 is also physically much smaller than the Cleveland. However the 400 you mention is the same engine externally as the 351c.

If you were building a 351c for a racing or highly modified street application, the best starting point would be the engine from 90s era AMT Thunderbird NASCAR kits. These have the most accurate 351c heads in 1/25 but not sure if other parts of the engine would be suitable for making a stock 351c (very likely not). Mixing and matching the right parts from various kits will make the best Cleveland, but unless you know Ford engines well and are familiar with what is in older kits it could be a difficult task. Probably the engine from the MPC 73 Cougar is the best starting point.

There were (are?) a couple resin options. I believe the best ones were offered by Motor City Resin Casters or Scale Modelling By Chris (same product) and were available in two stock configurations, but I haven't seen these around lately. Try a google search and you may find something, or try ebay. There is another resin option but I will advise you to avoid it. It is a turbocharged street engine, seemingly copied from the MPC 80s Bronco, but that engine is a very poor substitute Cleveland (looks nothing like one) and is not stock anyway.

I hope some of this helps. In the end it largely boils down to how picky you are on accuracy. With valve covers and air cleaner housing of the right shape, a thermostat housing on the top leading edge of the block (instead of on the intake manifold) and some Ford blue paint....

Power matters in the straights.
Lightness matters everywhere. - Colin Chapman

Trevor

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    August, 2015
Posted by vince311 on Thursday, March 09, 2017 10:18 AM

Bainford, Thank you for the thorough response. You've clearly got a pulse on Fords and model options. 

In my own research I have found the same, most of the engines do not fit the bill (one way or another). I have a 1:1 of this car...so very familiar with the cleveland vs. windsor. The model is a tribute to my car, so only I will care or know :-) I'm grasping at straws....trying to find something "in the neighborhood".

From the pics I've seen, the AMT 73 Cougar indeed looks close. I'll check back with Motor City Resin as well....I believe I recall seeing those a while back either on epay or their site. 

I've got a couple other needs specific to this build, including the bench seat and steering wheel. I'll post those separately...hopefully they look familiar, and i can find a source.

 

Bainford

Unfortunately there has never been a good 351c made in 1/25 scale. Many kits have this engine but they are generally inaccurate lumps of plastic in older kits (and several kits that claim to have a Cleveland or Boss 351 are actually a Windsor based blob). The Monogram/Revell 70 Mustang Mach 1 in 1/24 scale has a very nice 351c except the valve covers do not have the 'Power by Ford' script. Possibly the best option in 1/25 scale is the MPC 73 Cougar.

The 302 you mentioned is a very different engine than the Cleveland, except that the Boss 302 had Cleveland heads. The 302 is a Windsor engine and they are very different in the timing chain/water pump/thermostat housing area, and the cylinder heads are visually different, too (except the Boss 302 heads). The 302 is also physically much smaller than the Cleveland. However the 400 you mention is the same engine externally as the 351c.

If you were building a 351c for a racing or highly modified street application, the best starting point would be the engine from 90s era AMT Thunderbird NASCAR kits. These have the most accurate 351c heads in 1/25 but not sure if other parts of the engine would be suitable for making a stock 351c (very likely not). Mixing and matching the right parts from various kits will make the best Cleveland, but unless you know Ford engines well and are familiar with what is in older kits it could be a difficult task. Probably the engine from the MPC 73 Cougar is the best starting point.

There were (are?) a couple resin options. I believe the best ones were offered by Motor City Resin Casters or Scale Modelling By Chris (same product) and were available in two stock configurations, but I haven't seen these around lately. Try a google search and you may find something, or try ebay. There is another resin option but I will advise you to avoid it. It is a turbocharged street engine, seemingly copied from the MPC 80s Bronco, but that engine is a very poor substitute Cleveland (looks nothing like one) and is not stock anyway.

I hope some of this helps. In the end it largely boils down to how picky you are on accuracy. With valve covers and air cleaner housing of the right shape, a thermostat housing on the top leading edge of the block (instead of on the intake manifold) and some Ford blue paint....

 

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Posted by trainwreck on Thursday, March 09, 2017 6:26 PM

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Posted by theoldman on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 1:06 PM

Vince, I have, I think, a 351 from the Starsky and Hutch car.  Would that fit?

Gary

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    August, 2015
Posted by vince311 on Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:54 AM
Looks like the 1973 Cougar kit has an acceptable motor. Anyone have an extra? thank you.

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