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My thread about Model Cars Magazine's survival quite rightly got locked!

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My thread about Model Cars Magazine's survival quite rightly got locked!
Posted by BUGATTI FAN on Sunday, May 20, 2018 4:38 AM

Hi guys. My thread about Model Cars Magazine's survival has rightly been locked by a moderator. It was going too far off subject, so guys please be aware of the original thread subject when posting replies.

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Posted by BUGATTI FAN on Thursday, June 14, 2018 8:52 AM

Not heard anything about MCM lately. Guess they must still be hanging in there.

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Posted by midnightprowler on Thursday, June 14, 2018 5:24 PM

If you call 1-2 issues at best hanging in there.

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Posted by BUGATTI FAN on Friday, June 15, 2018 3:08 AM

Hi MProwler. You pretty much confirmed what I thought about MCM. I have given up on them after personal article payment issues and not been on their circulation list for a couple of years now. Looks like they are still struggling just to keep going. Perhaps their article writer pool has shrunk considering their production and distribution problems. Who knows?

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Posted by oldcarguy on Friday, June 15, 2018 3:40 PM

MidnightProwler ;

 Is that the same on FSM ? If so Hi guy ! I am still waiting for my last issue .O.C.G.

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Posted by midnightprowler on Friday, June 15, 2018 4:59 PM

Yep. Its me lol. I quit subscribing at least 3 or 4 years ago. Every issue late and damaged. Sick of Hutchings excuses. He was late when he ran Plastic Fanatic too.

 

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1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

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Posted by BUGATTI FAN on Monday, June 18, 2018 2:19 AM

Hi Prowler it's the current MC M subscribers I feel sorry for getting a raw deal. Maybe it is heading for the proverbial iceberg like the Titanic as the subscribers get fed up with always waiting and dump their subscriptions due to the poor service already paid up front for.

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Posted by Dale Gribble on Monday, June 18, 2018 3:11 AM

I spoke with a contributor just this past weekend. He explained to me that he has still not been paid for articles that he wrote last year. But somehow, they have convinced him to keep doing coverage .. I considered subscribing late last year, but when I did my homework I realize that it really went to crap and it was a total roll of the dice see if you would actually get your issues or not .. I don't gamble casinos, I'm not going to gamble on a damn magazine subscription

"rare" kit? no such thing!

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Posted by jchrisf on Monday, June 18, 2018 8:44 AM

I don't understand how they can have such an active forum and be struggling.  I wish this one was as active.  

What are some other resources for a newb like me to learn from other than the two forums, Scale Auto Magazine (which I am a subcriber) and Youtube?  I am hungry for knowledge and just can't get enough from these places (though I am looking forward to the DVD coming with all the previous issues.  

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Posted by TomZ on Monday, June 18, 2018 7:40 PM

jchrisf

I don't understand how they can have such an active forum and be struggling.  I wish this one was as active.  

 

For one thing, MCM's site and forum load instantly. This site takes at least half a minute to load and another half minute for the forum to load. MCM's site has IMO a better format with more information and more posts per screen, while this site seems to me overly preoccupied with advertising. They have a place for non-modeling conversation, which gets people used to posting. They appear to have a LOT of moderators who spontaneously add a lot of content, which in itself encourages thread activity. It seems to me that they are less infested with posters who have huge or multiple pics in their sigs, which is a MAJOR irritant in my case. I wish everyone would ban pics in sigs.

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Posted by midnightprowler on Tuesday, June 19, 2018 6:09 PM

I have no problems loading this site and forum on any device I use.

1 Corinthians 15:51-54
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

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Posted by TomZ on Tuesday, June 19, 2018 7:12 PM

midnightprowler

I have no problems loading this site and forum on any device I use.

 

 

That's interesting. Both this site and FSM take at least 30 seconds to load and another 30 for the forum. However,once I am in the forum things load instantly. I don't see this delay ANYWHERE else on the internet. Curiouser and curiouser. Think I'll try doing some resetting.

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Posted by BUGATTI FAN on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 12:06 AM

Dale, your friend needs to take stock, dump MC M who are in a tenuous poaitionand write for Scale Auto instead. At least he will get paid!

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Posted by Goofy62 on Thursday, June 21, 2018 1:16 AM

I think that maybe it's about time that we all face the facts fellas & realize that printed model car magazines are going the way of the dinosaurs.

It may be fun to opine about MCM's misfortunes right now, but the chances are infinately high that the same thing is lurking around the corner here & at every other mag.

If these magazines want to remain viable, for at least some period time, I believe that they are all going to need to go digital & possibly concentrate more of their effort on the forums and/or other digital media.

Print media in general is no doubt going to disappear in the future and continuing to hang on by our fingernails is a futile exercise.

People thought 120 years ago that the automobile would never replace the horse and carriage.

We all know what happened there.

 

 

Steve

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Posted by BUGATTI FAN on Thursday, June 21, 2018 2:56 AM

Steve, the opinions about MCM's misfortunes have not appeared out of fun, but through the frustrations due to appallingly late subscriber deliveries, and their attitude towards a number of writers who have now given up on MCM for a number of reasons that I cannot go into on here.

To a certain extent I agree with you about digital media, but a book or paper magazine is a bit more tactile than a tablet or PC. Personally I feel that they will carry on alongside each other for the foreseeable future. Books and magazines are a permanent asset whereas digital requires tablets, smartphones or a PC to access information. My own take is that I like to use both. Funny thing is that a large group of book retailers in the UK have given  up selling tablets after sales dropped away. It would appear that people would still prefer to have a paperback to read on holiday.

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Posted by Goofy62 on Thursday, June 21, 2018 11:52 AM

BUGATTI FAN

Steve, the opinions about MCM's misfortunes have not appeared out of fun, but through the frustrations due to appallingly late subscriber deliveries, and their attitude towards a number of writers who have now given up on MCM for a number of reasons that I cannot go into on here.

To a certain extent I agree with you about digital media, but a book or paper magazine is a bit more tactile than a tablet or PC. Personally I feel that they will carry on alongside each other for the foreseeable future. Books and magazines are a permanent asset whereas digital requires tablets, smartphones or a PC to access information. My own take is that I like to use both. Funny thing is that a large group of book retailers in the UK have given  up selling tablets after sales dropped away. It would appear that people would still prefer to have a paperback to read on holiday.

 

Well, we'll see abut that.

Do you know anybody under the age of about 50 that doesn't have a tablet or smart phone, & doesn't use it constantly?

A paper back book on vacation is one thing.

A magazine subscription is another.

Personally, I have not had a magazine come to my house, or have even read one for that matter, in probably more than 25 years.

I figure, why would I spend my money on a magazine subscription when I can find all of the information contained in it, times 1,000, on-line for free?

Yes, our generation is used to printed materials of all sorts, but mark my words, we are the last.

It's all about paperless, paperless, paperless now.

These magazines may hang on for a while, but I wouldn't get too used to them.

 

Steve

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Posted by BUGATTI FAN on Thursday, June 21, 2018 1:46 PM

Steve, you are absolutely right about people under 50 with tablets and smartphones constantly using them! Yep there is for absolutely free thousands of various bits of information available to them on line! You can see them every day in the street on their smartphones walking along not looking where they are going, or worse, driving whilst using one! These days you can go into any restaurant and observe people gazing into their phones instead of actually talking to each other. How oftendo you see a mobile phone actually being used as a phone as opposed to being an information device? I was at my grandkids school sports day recently and about 75 per cent of the parents were absorbed with looking into their phones and giving their kids a cursory glance every now and again.

You cannot stop progress, but the use of these devices has become obsessive. Is this really progress when people become more and more insular and start to lose the ability to interact face to face?

Access to instant answers on line is a great tool, but the downside will be people losing the skills to actually go and seek out information by other means. Unfortunately we are becoming an instant gratification society where kids are absolutely brilliant at getting around a keyboard but utterly useless when it comes to fixing anything! Yes I may be a dinosaur when it comes to technology, but I can repair the guttering on my house, replace an element in an oven and engineer a scratch built model. Can the same be asked of the on line game playing generation? I think not. The sad thing is that many kids are simply not interested in developing any practical skills. I worked at a high school  as an engineering technician just before retiring and saw this first hand. Any kids who come through with mechanical electrical skills in the future will be worth a fortune when  the dinosaur generation passes on!

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Posted by midnightprowler on Thursday, June 21, 2018 5:00 PM

I hate reading online, especially books and magazines. When your batteries get low, or they drop a EMP you ain't gonna read. With print you still can. Nothing beats the feel and smell of a old book. You can have digital.

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Posted by midnightprowler on Thursday, June 21, 2018 5:03 PM

TomZ

 

 
midnightprowler

I have no problems loading this site and forum on any device I use.

 

 

 

 

That's interesting. Both this site and FSM take at least 30 seconds to load and another 30 for the forum. However,once I am in the forum things load instantly. I don't see this delay ANYWHERE else on the internet. Curiouser and curiouser. Think I'll try doing some resetting.

 

I do sometimes notice a delay in the loading of some sites, but not just SA or FSM. Plus it's only on my Ipad, not my phone or computer.

1 Corinthians 15:51-54
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

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Posted by Goofy62 on Thursday, June 21, 2018 7:40 PM

BUGATTI FAN

Steve, you are absolutely right about people under 50 with tablets and smartphones constantly using them! Yep there is for absolutely free thousands of various bits of information available to them on line! You can see them every day in the street on their smartphones walking along not looking where they are going, or worse, driving whilst using one! These days you can go into any restaurant and observe people gazing into their phones instead of actually talking to each other. How oftendo you see a mobile phone actually being used as a phone as opposed to being an information device? I was at my grandkids school sports day recently and about 75 per cent of the parents were absorbed with looking into their phones and giving their kids a cursory glance every now and again.

You cannot stop progress, but the use of these devices has become obsessive. Is this really progress when people become more and more insular and start to lose the ability to interact face to face?

Access to instant answers on line is a great tool, but the downside will be people losing the skills to actually go and seek out information by other means. Unfortunately we are becoming an instant gratification society where kids are absolutely brilliant at getting around a keyboard but utterly useless when it comes to fixing anything! Yes I may be a dinosaur when it comes to technology, but I can repair the guttering on my house, replace an element in an oven and engineer a scratch built model. Can the same be asked of the on line game playing generation? I think not. The sad thing is that many kids are simply not interested in developing any practical skills. I worked at a high school  as an engineering technician just before retiring and saw this first hand. Any kids who come through with mechanical electrical skills in the future will be worth a fortune when  the dinosaur generation passes on!

 

I don't disagree with a single word you said there, but that's the direction that the world is headed in.

We can hope that at some point the "novelty" of this phenomena will wane & people will begin to become more responsible with their use of this technology, but I wouldn't count on it.

Don't get me wrong, I am not necessarily in favor of the direction that we are going.

I'm still a troglodyte myself.

Hell,  I don't even own a tablet or a lap top.

I still use a tabletop computer & a flip phone!

But that doesn't stop me from realizing that the inevitable is coming & in the not too distant future there will be very little, if any, printed media around.

I get the whole book thing.

It's a little like the trend right now of music lovers returning to vinyl, but a classis novel & an old magazine hardly hold the same nostalgia for most of us.

Who keeps stacks and stacks of old magazines around anymore?

Unless it is basically used for reference material, & who needs the aggravation of leafing through all of that old garbage when you can find exactly what you need instantly with the click of a mouse.

 

Steve

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Posted by midnightprowler on Friday, June 22, 2018 3:27 AM

Goofy62

 

 
BUGATTI FAN

Steve, you are absolutely right about people under 50 with tablets and smartphones constantly using them! Yep there is for absolutely free thousands of various bits of information available to them on line! You can see them every day in the street on their smartphones walking along not looking where they are going, or worse, driving whilst using one! These days you can go into any restaurant and observe people gazing into their phones instead of actually talking to each other. How oftendo you see a mobile phone actually being used as a phone as opposed to being an information device? I was at my grandkids school sports day recently and about 75 per cent of the parents were absorbed with looking into their phones and giving their kids a cursory glance every now and again.

You cannot stop progress, but the use of these devices has become obsessive. Is this really progress when people become more and more insular and start to lose the ability to interact face to face?

Access to instant answers on line is a great tool, but the downside will be people losing the skills to actually go and seek out information by other means. Unfortunately we are becoming an instant gratification society where kids are absolutely brilliant at getting around a keyboard but utterly useless when it comes to fixing anything! Yes I may be a dinosaur when it comes to technology, but I can repair the guttering on my house, replace an element in an oven and engineer a scratch built model. Can the same be asked of the on line game playing generation? I think not. The sad thing is that many kids are simply not interested in developing any practical skills. I worked at a high school  as an engineering technician just before retiring and saw this first hand. Any kids who come through with mechanical electrical skills in the future will be worth a fortune when  the dinosaur generation passes on!

 

 

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Who keeps stacks and stacks of old magazines around anymore?

 

 

Steve

 

I do. seriously. I love going back thru old issues of magazines. Got boxes of them.

1 Corinthians 15:51-54
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

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Posted by Goofy62 on Friday, June 22, 2018 5:54 AM

midnightprowler

 

 
Goofy62

 

 
BUGATTI FAN

Steve, you are absolutely right about people under 50 with tablets and smartphones constantly using them! Yep there is for absolutely free thousands of various bits of information available to them on line! You can see them every day in the street on their smartphones walking along not looking where they are going, or worse, driving whilst using one! These days you can go into any restaurant and observe people gazing into their phones instead of actually talking to each other. How oftendo you see a mobile phone actually being used as a phone as opposed to being an information device? I was at my grandkids school sports day recently and about 75 per cent of the parents were absorbed with looking into their phones and giving their kids a cursory glance every now and again.

You cannot stop progress, but the use of these devices has become obsessive. Is this really progress when people become more and more insular and start to lose the ability to interact face to face?

Access to instant answers on line is a great tool, but the downside will be people losing the skills to actually go and seek out information by other means. Unfortunately we are becoming an instant gratification society where kids are absolutely brilliant at getting around a keyboard but utterly useless when it comes to fixing anything! Yes I may be a dinosaur when it comes to technology, but I can repair the guttering on my house, replace an element in an oven and engineer a scratch built model. Can the same be asked of the on line game playing generation? I think not. The sad thing is that many kids are simply not interested in developing any practical skills. I worked at a high school  as an engineering technician just before retiring and saw this first hand. Any kids who come through with mechanical electrical skills in the future will be worth a fortune when  the dinosaur generation passes on!

 

 

 .

Who keeps stacks and stacks of old magazines around anymore?

 

 

Steve

 

 

 

I do. seriously. I love going back thru old issues of magazines. Got boxes of them.

 

Right, and how old are you?

This is exactly my point about the whole "model magazine" issue.

Let's put it this way.

We all know that the modeling hobby is dying as we speak.

Go to any function like a show or contest & tell me how many young people you see there.

You can count them on your fingers!

Couple that with the fact that magazine & newspaper readership is disappearing and then tell me how much longer that you think there will be anybody left to read a model magazine if they did exist.

It's just simple mathematics.

 

Steve

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