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Will this magazine's competitor Model Cars Magazine survive?
Posted by BUGATTI FAN on Thursday, December 07, 2017 11:57 AM

Thank goodness Scale Auto magazine is stable. Model Cars Magazine  appears to be struggling since Golden Bell publishing closed their doors. My last article that appeared in their magazine back in November 2015 unfortunately remains unpaid two years on! I guess they must be having some cash flow and distribution problems.

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Posted by Goofy62 on Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:03 PM

Magazine?

What's that?

In this age, I don't think that I would get too attached to anything printed on paper.

Something tells me that there are very few "stable" printed publications anymore.

 

 

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Posted by High octane on Friday, December 08, 2017 8:58 AM

I hope the model magazines will survive, however that is a good question. When I go shopping I see less and less car related magazines on the rack. Looks like soon it'll be the end of an era for car magazines as I remember the boom of printed pages from the late 50's and into the 60's and beyond. Of course the internet has a lot to do with it as nowadays one can look up just about anything related to cars, yep even the screws that hold the glovebox in place.

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Posted by mmthrax on Friday, December 08, 2017 4:04 PM
I am glad that ScaleAuto is available in digital. I carried years and years of magazines, comics, and photo albums around for years. Hundreds of pounds of dead weight. After our "spore house" contamination, it ALL went into the trash. The photos were scanned into digital and I just took the hit on everything else. Do I miss moving and storing all that stuff? Not in the least. The digital magazine for me, is the way to go. I have been lobbying Kalmbach for a mongo DVD of all the ScaleAuto issues for a while, and someday if they make one, I can replace everything I had and I'll never have to lift it again.

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Posted by BUGATTI FAN on Saturday, December 09, 2017 3:13 AM

I believe that Kalmbach had a CD ROM available with all the content of Fine Scale Modeler on it from issue one running to about something like 20 years worth. Many auto related articles ran within it besides all the other subject material. Is it still available?  Yes, I agree that Kalbach has a good marketing opportunity to offer a mega CD ROM with all the back issues of Scale Auto (Enthusiast) on it as well as the FSM one. Reckon it would sell well.

Getting back to the main subject of this thread, MCM's difficulties. How many more authors like me are still owed money for work published in that magazine?

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Posted by midnightprowler on Saturday, December 09, 2017 6:12 AM

I got fed up with Gregg and his excuses two years ago. He was late when he was editor of Plastic Fanatic. I quit my sub to mcm. Don't regret it at all. I hope SA doesn't stop print. I have no love for digital. Much prefer hard copy. I have a Kindle, over 1000 books on it, rarely use it. I will reread a hard copy book first.

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Posted by litespeedsae on Sunday, December 10, 2017 9:32 AM

For me, I think a big digital item would be great for research IF indexed but I will always prefer hard copy. Always readable, now low battery or access cost etc and you can throw it around where ever needed. My home and office computer is jammed with emails now.Of all the US Postal snail mail I get, everything stops when Scale Auto shows up!

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Posted by del austin on Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:13 PM

I used to be a fan of print, but when you are trying to downsize and realize that you have thousands of dollars in heavy magazines taking up a lot of space and can maybe sell them for $1.00 a piece, but they cost too much to ship...

 

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Posted by Alcopa1 on Monday, December 11, 2017 9:59 AM

I'd have to say I'm a major fan of the printed word and glossy pictures etc. I'm still the type that wants something tangible in my hand when I lay my money down ....paying for something "digital" doesn't sit well with me ...digital means temporary!  I wish Scaleauto all the best for the future as I still figure they offer a decent product to the scale auto hobbyist. I've seen a few issues of "Model Car " magazine and it was reasobably well done and it is a shame thats its not doing very well as I personally like to see variety in most things but if Scaleauto is the only one left then we should thank our lucky stars that we still have it. I enjoy checking out the newsstand and I will most likely remain a newsstand purchaser of my hobby mags .......We still have a number of stores that maintain a well stocked rack of magazines that I enjoy perusing ....one of my small pleasures in life along with going to wrecking yards and checking out the plastic pile at one of the few Hobby shops we still have around here.  I view a magazine as kind of an old friend that I can revisit as many times as I like ...grab a magazine from the pile with a fresh hot cup of coffee and find a spot on the couch to sit and quietly read ....not having to sit in front of a computer monitor to read the latest "digital" copy .....thats not for me!

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Posted by Robby DeGraff on Monday, December 18, 2017 1:35 PM

Guess what? We are actually right now working on a DVD! Myself and a few editors are currently putting in all the meta data for it. It will have every issue of the magazine from birth until 2015, with searchable content. Comes out soon!

 

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Posted by Robby DeGraff on Monday, December 18, 2017 1:36 PM

It will be indexed and you'll be able to search every single issue for whatever you'd imagine. It's pretty exciting, I'm stoked.

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Posted by BUGATTI FAN on Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:05 AM

Robby.......Is it actually going on DVD or CD ROM?   If going DVD will it be made in PAL format for UK as well as the American format?

Glad to hear a bumper resource of Scale Auto is being put together on disc. Looking forward to the release date. Did FSM do one some time ago and is it still available?

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Posted by Bainford on Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:12 AM

Interesting news, Robby. Looking forward to seeing this come to light. Will it have Car Modeller content as well?

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Posted by mmthrax on Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:25 PM

Hooray!! My dreams are coming true!!  Put me in line.  I have been lobbying for this for a while.  I'm glad that Kalmbach sees the value in doing this.  

Car Modeler?  I used to subscribe to that too BITD.  That would be awesome too. 

Please keep us updated.

mmthrax

 

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Posted by PatrickW on Wednesday, December 27, 2017 2:57 AM

I'm not a fan of digital, I don't have a DVD player. I prefer printed every time. As for MCM I've never seen a copy here in the UK, but can buy Scale Auto off the shelf at WH Smiths, but have a sub with this one.

I like the most recent one with the Beach Racer on the cover and am looking for a kit of that era to build one up!

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Posted by Moparlover64 on Wednesday, December 27, 2017 5:22 AM

I for one used to subscribe to. Every model mag available and almost every car mag too that was when i made 180k a year they all expired after i got reactivated and deployed the 3rd time all the car mags have gone to va hospital waiting rooms except the ones for reference on future builds sae and cmm kept. Me company first 2 deployments i had them forwarded to me in afghanistan i still have all my plastic car mags except the years i was deployed major pay cut. Army pay was alot less than my engineering fsr job then i had a stroke and got very ill ive got about 8yrs missing issues from both companys i do want them eventually i love all the online forums i am on all of them as some others here are too im not good on pc anymore so i do rely on my hard copies but id probably get the discs too and muddle through til i got it down but one of the mags or at gsl cant remember which but all of this was discussed or rather predicted due to inet. Even these forums were predicted or what if d i was naive bout the rags disappearing but we actually had similar forums on yahoo chat i even ran a few myself now i wonder  would we get a new disc every month or? Would there be more content cause a disc or thumb drive could hold alot of info and how tos and hows that. Gonna fare with advertisers i always felt guilty. For orderig kits tools and supplies online but was thankful when i lived in remote areas no hobbyshops and walmarts quit selling kits plus that was the only way to get the good kits and detail stuff or go to. A big show and hit the vendor tables that was back when most of the after market guys were just getting started then it was the hobbyshops started disappearing first the mom n pop shops glad i didnt buy the one in colorado i was almost a grandjunction resident now the bigger ones like hobby lobby pegasus etc are all thats left. And the selections are limited cept for pegasus and last whats the subscription or disc gonna cost well thats my nickles worth either way im dave im a plastic addict its my. Drug of choice im in til the end of the hobby or me which ever comes first dont care if i do have a lifetime of kits im still gonna. Buy cause thats what addicts do and now fulfilling the dream all the reissues i couldnt afford as a kid and then theres galaxie mobeous omg mobioud i. Got some catching up to do happy modeling i gotta order some plastic n resin n get my fix maybe ill buy 66 lol

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Posted by BUGATTI FAN on Wednesday, December 27, 2017 6:51 AM

The 'Changes At Model Cars Magazine' thread appears to have been withdrawn from within their forum. Maybe some new changes announcements are on the way.

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Posted by Evil Appetite on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:49 AM

Thats awesome. i fell on hard times last year and had to sell everything. 500+ models, a few thousand dollars worth of aftermarket stuff, decals, RG Engines resin, Compressor and airbrushes, pace paint booth...AND 20 years of SA Magazines. It hurt. It still husts as i let it all go for $1000.

But anyway..with all the magazines up to 2015 on this disk, I guess it's safe to assume anything after that are Digital Editions? And will be purchasable individually the usual way? I just bought a digital sub and was about to pull the trigger on 3 years worth of Back Issues to start replacing the ones I sold  Glad I read this first! Digital Back Issues are also available for purchase correct?

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Posted by Plowboy on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 11:59 AM

I doubt they (MCM) will last much longer. Someone posted on another forum that they only received one issue of their subscription for the entire year of 2017. Of course, he probably paid for it in 2016. Whistling  They were always chronically late. How they managed to keep subscribers with their record is baffling. Any time anyone posted a thread wondering where their next issue was, it would magically disappear. That or get the response, " you'll get it when you get it " and lock the thread.    

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Posted by mrmike on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:56 PM

After remaining silent since this thread came out on Dec. 7, 2017, I have to ask...why the concern for a competitior when we have this magazine to be concerned with?  Over there, any thread that mentions Scale Auto is locked or banished from their forum.  And yes, their magazine is consistantly late.  Their editor has his hands full with taking back the magazine from their publisher and he has been dealing with a medical issue of his own.  They have also lost one of their helpers with the magazine to cancer.  

I would be more concerned with this magazine and its future especially with a new Editor and Editorial Assistant at the helm.  I'm not saying that the change in leadership is a bad thing, I am just wondering what the future has in store for us subscribers and readers of Scale Auto Magazine.  I am hoping for more of the same great articles that we have enjoyed in the past.  I say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.  But, there is nothing wrong with making improvements.  

Some members in my model Club have wondered just how much of Fine Scale Modeler is going to be mixed into Scale Auto.  I have mostly been one who will wait and see what happens next.  I have seen changes on the forum already that causes me to go, "Hmmm".  I know that with the input of Scale Auto subscribers and readers, we can help make this magazine better, if not the best on the scale model car market.  I, for one, don't like change, but I don't mind improvements. 

Like I asked at the beginning of this post, why the concern for our competitor?  Let's concentrate on Scale Auto and it's future.  Hopefully, the future is bright! 

 

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Posted by High octane on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 11:12 PM

I really think that it's way too early to make assumptions about the future of Scale Auto with our new editor and assistant. First Jim Haught retired so another person(s) was needed to fill his shoes. Second, I have met Mark Savage at one of our club meetings about a year ago or more and he seemed like a decent guy and had knowledge of the task he's now performing. Third, we need to give the future editions of the magazine a chance, not one or two issues but more like six issues. I myself wouldn't worry about it as it is way too early and I'm way too busy.

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Posted by 6pkk on Wednesday, January 31, 2018 5:26 AM

That's pretty cool, for those that want it...but I'm not "tech" savvy, I want my "paper"

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Posted by Zoom Zoom on Wednesday, January 31, 2018 11:26 AM

My perspective: I've been writing for Kalmbach since the early 2000's and personally everyone I've worked with in the past has been a pleasure to work for, many whom I met a few years back when I got the grand tour of Kalmbach by Jim when I was in town with friends for a race at Road America. I have great expectations from the new team of Mark as Editor and Robby as Associate Editor. If you get a chance, go to a show they're attending to see for yourself the renewed energy and how well they interact with the public. They're staying connected in a big way via social media as well, it's great to see their interviews and videos. I'm sure they'll have a big presence at the NNL East this year, expect a long line of happy builders getting models photographed, take a look at the special attention given to junior builders, including videos. This has to be one of the best ways to help keep the hobby relevant. 

I have full confidence that Scale Auto is going to do quite well with the changes since Mark and Robby came on board. Both are a pleasure to work with and to discuss cool ideas for future projects. They're expanding the number of reviewers and contributors, and they're working their tails off getting the magazines out and getting the archives onto a DVD. Things look really great from my end, and I'm working on some fun projects for future issues.

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Posted by Robby DeGraff on Wednesday, January 31, 2018 11:44 AM

Howdy and happy Wednesday, folks! Here's an update!Cool

Alrighty I want to jump in and reply to a few of these comments before getting back to spending the rest of our work day shooting a bunch of models and editing.

First, myself and Mark continue to appreciate all of your patience, encouragement and trust in our doings now that we're both at the helm of the magazine. I can assure you that Mark and I are probably two of the biggest car nerds, lovers of model and die-casts you'll ever meet. Everyone that I've met so far at the shows, has shown open arms of welcome and it's really made me happy. This is a truly amazing hobby and I'm dumping every single bit of my passion into this magazine.

Second, do not, I repeat, do not have any fears about drastic changes coming to the magazine. There's straight-up no need to fear or have concern. We are going to make changes but slowly, to make our magazine even better. Mark and I have some great ideas coming down the pipeline. Trust me when I say, when you allow two passionate and motivated people to take-over a magazine...very good things are going to happen.

Third, like the poster ZoomZoom said above "take a look at the special attention given to junior builders, including videos." This is incredibly true. And a top priority of mine, to get younger, fresh and enthusiastic people into the hobby. Whether it be through die-cast, slot car or plastic model building, I want as many people to take notice of the scale auto hobby and incorperate it into their lives. We all need to have one or two hobbies that we love and dedicate time to, so I'm working hard to make this happen. At the end of the day, we all are here for one reason and purpose.

Fourth, the DVD! We are about 99% done with ALL of our data entry from nearly every issue since the mag's birth. It has been exhaustingly time-consuming but I promise you will benefit greatly from it. Your purchase of it will of course, too, support the magazine. Fun fact, you'll be able to pull-up from the DVD's menu and search for say a kit number or race car driver, then be directed to all sorts of articles that match-up and relate to it. Spread the word, we've spent a ton of time putting together this DVD and want it to sell!

Fifth, please try to keep conversations here on this forum, appropriate, respectful and kind. Don't let the idea that you're sitting behind a keyboard, mouse and computer screen, get away from you and give you the ability to not act in a caring and adult matter. I haven't seen too much of this lately on this forum, thankfully, and I'm really hoping I don't, because well, armchair aggresion behind-the-screen is pointless and dumb. We're all on here for the sake of this hobby, sharing our knowledge and ideas and spreading the passion for model building and die-casts. I am not going to tolerate any cyber bullying or harsh words of any kind. Let's just have fun! On those similar lines, I will allow people to talk about the other magazine in this hobby but please, don't bash them or critize them on here, this is the Scale Auto Magazine forum, not a lunchroom, water cooler or bar top. Mark and I are constantly busy getting the magazine going, working on online stuff for the website, putting together our die-cast emag and charging ahead with our social media presence...I don't have time or frankly, want to, spend loads of time surfing around on this forum having to reprimand people for acting childish and out of conduct. I'd rather direct every minute of my workday to making the best possible magazine for all of you. That's more important.

Sixth! If you have the chance to come check out our mag's HQ in Milwaukee, please do so! Or if you're at a show and myself or Mark are there, we'd LOVE to meet you and hear your story.

I'm trying and putting tons of effort into bringing back the "enthusiast" side of the hobby into Scale Auto. Let's make it a team effort.

Cheers, thanks for continuing to support the mag and have an excellent day

 

Robby DeGraff
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Posted by High octane on Wednesday, January 31, 2018 12:52 PM

Well said Robby, and I hope to see you at the Milwaukee NNL in April.

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Posted by BUGATTI FAN on Thursday, February 01, 2018 3:48 AM

Plowboy, I have to agree with a lot of what you say about the MCM forum. 2018 looks like being a make or break year for MCM. Given their track record over the last year or two we will see if they survive or fail. They look to be hanging on by the skin of their teeth without the strength of a publishing company any more. I don't know what religion MCM subscribers follow, but I admire their faith. Scale Auto however, is a well established magazine, stable with Kalmbach at the helm and looks to have a bright future under the new editorship team. 

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Posted by dsldriver9900 on Friday, March 23, 2018 3:55 PM

First off, I'd like to wish the best of fortune to Model Cars magazine, I hope they are able to pull out of their slump and get back on track.

I don't see the different magazines as competing, more like complimenting. The more magazines that are available makes more people aware of the hobby, plus all of the hobby magazines have completely different articles and views.

I've always thought Scale Auto was a pretty good magazine, but since Mark and Robby have taken the helm, there's been a world of difference. They are engaging with the readers on social media, giving us sneak peeks of the upcoming issues, asking questions, posting on the forum. I look forward to seeing their posts on a daily basis.

While social media on phones and computers is booming, I don't see digital publishing taking off the same way. Nearly everyone I talk to prefers to have something they can hold in their hand.

I am looking forward to getting the DVD with all the back issues. I've been waiting for SAE to do that ever since Fine Scale did theirs. While I love getting the magazine and reading it cover to cover, I usually pass my copies on to friends or family to try and get them enthused with the hobby.

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Posted by TonyO on Saturday, March 24, 2018 7:11 AM

dsldriver9900

First off, I'd like to wish the best of fortune to Model Cars magazine, I hope they are able to pull out of their slump and get back on track.

I don't see the different magazines as competing, more like complimenting. The more magazines that are available makes more people aware of the hobby, plus all of the hobby magazines have completely different articles and views.

I've always thought Scale Auto was a pretty good magazine, but since Mark and Robby have taken the helm, there's been a world of difference. They are engaging with the readers on social media, giving us sneak peeks of the upcoming issues, asking questions, posting on the forum. I look forward to seeing their posts on a daily basis.

 
I would like to see more of that "engaging with the readers on social media" happen here on the forum. Not all of the members here have a presence on "social media". I think the powers that be should keep that in mind when trying to engage the readers. This forum has been very neglected, especially with the recent spam and bogus accounts that we all have seen.
 
As far as MCM is concerned, Gregg made is own bed, now he needs to sleep in it.
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Posted by Robby DeGraff on Monday, March 26, 2018 2:43 PM

Appreciate the feedback.

We engage with our readers and fans via social media primarily for a few reasons.

-there's much more traffic, buzz, and activity on there

-there's more of a following and interaction on social media

-it's easier, more reliable, quicker and allows us to do much more than on the forum

-it's mobile-friendly, meaning I can easily and quickly take a photo of a model on my phone and upload it to our Facebook page instantly

-there's more two-way interaction on social channels than on the forum

-the forum isn't neglected, we're trying hard to monitor it frequently and clean up the spam, trust me on that.

Also you don't need a social media account to engage with us on Facebook, our Facebook page is open for anyone, whether they use Facebook or not, to see what we post! This forum is important to us, but I don't have the time to sit on it all day. 

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Posted by Robby DeGraff on Monday, March 26, 2018 2:44 PM

Appreciate the kind words sir! Mark and I are dumping our love of the hobby and cars into all-things Scale Auto.

 

Get ready for the DVD, it'll be pretty epic.

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